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KY DAN said:
I don't really see how your hunting.... your a TV star and can say what ever you want.

Your literally shooting game that can't get away from you in a motorboat.

It's the same as killing a person in a bathtub.....

Your a real man yes you are
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Not really “High Road” trolling a year old thread. I imagine if they lived near a cliff, they might just scare them in that direction.

They are living off of these animals not just making stories to tell back at work.

Even grizzly bears catch the salmon in the spring when they swim up river to spawn (most vulnerable). They do this because they need the food. If they were doing it for sport they might swim out in the ocean and give it a go, “sportingly”.

Doesn’t ever happen because the stupid ones probably don’t make it in the wild very long…
 
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KY DAN, your "sport hunting" is the modern attempt to recreate what Caribou is doing, because the urge to hunt is primal.
Read "Meditations on Hunting" by José Ortega y Gasset, perhaps you'll find some understanding of what he does there.
If you have any Scandinavian heritage, they did the same thing, though the Sami people of Scandinavia eventually domesticated reindeer. I suspect that wouldn't work out too well on the open tundra.
You don't have to understand it, but criticizing it just makes you look ignorant, not superior. o_O
 
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KY DAN, your "sport hunting" is the modern attempt to recreate what Caribou is doing, because the urge to hunt is primal.
Read "Meditations on Hunting" by José Ortega y Gasset, perhaps you'll find some understanding of what he does there.
If you have any Scandinavian heritage, they did the same thing, though the Sami people of Scandinavia eventually domesticated reindeer. I suspect that wouldn't work out too well on the open tundra.
You don't have to understand it, but criticizing it just makes you look ignorant, not superior. o_O
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I am sorry for not being mentally and culturally cultivated enough to recognize shooting animals in the head while swimming to be an issue of cultural heritage. I just saw it as a cheap move to brag about, as the op stated they are hunters and not farmers. I don't see much hunting going on just cheap shots and tricks.
 
The good thing about ignorance is that is curable. Education and empathy are the keys. Some folks pity Caribou and those like him, some folks despise them; I'm a bit envious myself. It's a hard life but it gives back what you give, to quote REO Speedwagon, and Caribou's generosity is proof he's living right.
 
Cheap shots and tricks is what Im getting from your posts, KY.
You are entitaled to your opinion, for sure.

Its not a cheap shot to ensure a clean kill. 10 feet is better than 10 yards which is better than 100 yards and so on it go's....we have the respect for the animals to do the Death quickly.

Trick shots? nope, but heres my son in law Edward and 3 year old Wade, my grandson, shooting 3 inch steel spinners across the river, about 120 yards. In the few shots they have both taken, each has hit it once, so far, inthe vid.
No trick at all when you know what your doing....

Fact is, I didnt show much shooting in the original post, but heres a good one from years ago...
2 shots to the head on a moving 8-1/2 foot long Brown Bear in the Spring when they are prime eating and eat I did!!..., 450 yards, open sights on my SAKO 7.62x54R Mosin, because it can, easily.


Making meat is whats happening, if you didnt see.
 
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There are people that tend to know a lot about things they know very little about. KY Dan seems to be one of those. I would say that KY has never had to hunt to be able to feed his family.
Sport hunting is something that people do for fun, not to live. So tell me this, how is hunting for fun better the hunting to feed your family and people?
Years ago there were market hunter in America. People made a living at it and they were called hunters. But they were not selective about what they killed.
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@caribou is not a market hunter. He hunts to feed his family and village.
 
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KY DAN said:
I don't see much hunting going on just cheap shots and tricks.
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The use of modern firearms, motorboats, snowmachines, ATVs, etc., by indigenous people, when subsistence hunting, has long been a topic of heated discussions. Comes down to the same qualifications as sport hunting. As long as it's done within the confines of the law, and is done humanely and ethically, there is no real argument. Subsistence hunting/fishing is getting harder and harder every year in Alaska because of the increase in population(native and non-native) and non-resident sport hunting. Climate change, regardless of cause, has also made many of the "old" ways, now mush less effective. The use of modern weapons and vehicles has made so Natives themselves are more effective and thus game is less and more wary. Folks have to travel farther and farther to find game. What you don't see in subsistence hunting, especially in Alaska, is the wasting of anything. What you also don't see, is how a few successful hunters feed the whole village. While you may not agree with the way or the culture of subsistence hunting in Alaska, it is not affecting your right to hunt in any way, nor is negatively impacting the overall quality of wildlife in Alaska.
 
KY DAN said:
I don't see much hunting going on just cheap shots and tricks.
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Sounds like you are one of those folks that feels like if people don't hunt the way you think they should be hunting, then you claim they aren't hunting.

It is hunting. It may not be the way you do it, but it is hunting. You may not like it, but what Caribou is doing is defined by state and federal laws as being hunting as well.
 
H&Hhunter said:
He is/was not sure if he’s still on it or not, one of the people on National Geographic’s “Life Below Zero.” But referring to his ugly mug as a “star” is a bit of a stretch.

I’m pretty sure he is not hanging out with super models and flying around in private jets.
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Heyyyy,..... I'm a Man.......Im sp'ossed' to be ugly..... :D


Oh, yup, and but I am hanging out with a super model, Agnes, and a couple other Hollywood types, Tinmiaq and Sabastian.

We charter, now and then, with Arctic Back country air service, Eric Sihe at the 206's stick. LOL! Flew in Berings Helo a couple times over the years too.......

Were still making the show, but were at home in camp, on vacation right now, picking Berrys and smoking Silver Salmon. LBZ will return soon, I assure you.

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caribou said:
Heyyyy,..... I'm a Man.......Im sp'ossed' to be ugly..... :D


Oh, yup, and but I am hanging out with a super model, Agnes, and a couple other Hollywood types, Tinmiaq and Sabastian.

We charter, now and then, with Arctic Back country air service, Eric Sihe at the 206's stick. LOL! Flew in Berings Helo a couple times over the years too.......

Were still making the show, but were at home in camp, on vacation right now, picking Berrys and smoking Silver Salmon. LBZ will return soon, I assure you.

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I haven’t been back up to Kotz or Norvik since 2001. I lived in Kotz in 1991 then flew out of Fairbanks until 1993. Your pictures bring back some great memories.
 
Wham Bham said:
Hahahah, Who's the Kid eating raw fish. He just made my day....Hhahah
I am rolling on
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Thats Sabastian, "Sabbi" as we call him, the oldest daughter Tinmiaq's Son, my 2 year old grandson. Sabbi's Silver Salmon Sushi.

Were smoking them in the racks with Cottonwoods aka "Poplar" a very delicious smoke to put apon the fish, and the Chum salmon were getting now are just straight up dried.

The berrys are "Salmon berrys" and we call them "Ukpiq's".
They are tart and excellent with a little sugar or as a tea or pie.
The women have 60+ gallons in buckets and with a bunk Blue Berry crop, they have shifted to our local "Black Berrys" and the season advances, as its turning colors here and shifting into Fall...temps are the 50's and passing showers.......Summer aint long here :D
 
caribou said:
Shooting Caribou is WAAAAAY different than shooting a person.

However, KY is right that its not sporting, and Im not a sport Hunter. You cant feed a family hunting for trophys. I am but one of many fellow Hunters that make a living around here, and none are "Sports" hunters.
I dont shoot animals to look cool, show off or hang on a wall.
Bacon is the about the only meat I buy in the only store in our village. Ill buy a Turkey once a year too.
Gas is 9$ a gallon today and where we caught those Caribou, people pay 14$ a gallon, today, so whats left for food anyways?

When ever I see Caribou swimming, Ill get them if I have time , room and they are legal. We dont deliberatly hunt them this way untill the migration moves through, but now and then we cross them swimming the rivers, lakes and ocean. Nothing like fresh meat!

Its a subsistence hunt and the pile of antlers is left behind on the beach and the meats fill my belly and many others. We hunt for ourselfs and others/
Every give away 1/2 your pay check? Thats what makes us rich, giving and sharing nutritious food.

I would have to kill more animals if I had to shoot them in the chest/meats, to get the same poundage of meat as I get from an entire Bull thats brain shot...... and I prefer the quick, painless death the Bulls are subject to , rather than a chase across the Tundra as they bleed out terrified and in pain.
I get to do that stuff the rest of the year, but for a week or less, the bulls are right there to see and smell and not in rut. The second rut is detected, its over. Smell and a belly full of water and not moss,lichen,sedges is the sign, and thats that.

I prefer to be as close as possible and look the animal over and make a certain shot.
I prefer keeping them in the skin as they freeze and I thaw them one at a time over the winter, the animals hanging in my meats shed all fresh and clean.
Take the skin off and you have to deal with the meats, skin on the animals , birds and sand stay off until you use them.
Freeze up is the perfect time to hang a whole carcass and save more for later.We eat a Caribou a week , easily in our house, and it used to be almost 2 when we had all 7 kids in the house.

If you think this is fish in a barrel, we get those in a net, and I kill the animals that my foot hold traps keep animals from running away from me, because this is the way it is. There no running them off cliffs, if that makes you feel better.
Making meats at the perfect time is Hunting, perfected.

Im on TV because I have skills and talent. That makes money, but the hunting and fishing is just me doing my thing, which makes it all so easy, its almost like stealing. I used to love taking the pictures and vids, write about them and all, but now we dance between them filming and me posting here like this thread, where they didnt follow.
I get to do something I love and am good at, so the rest is just bonus, shared out among my family just like the meats from that hunt.
We cant buy Caribou in the store, either.If the money evaporated tomorrow, and some day it will, this dont cost me any thing more than before.

If your interested, heres a link to how we lived before the show came along and made us wealthy
https://forums.outdoorsdirectory.co...-life-as-a-subsistance-hunter-fisher-gather-r
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Very cool, and with a .22, no magnumitis up there. When the bulls go to rut, then do you hunt cows?

In AK in restaurants they sold 'reindeer', is that sort of a farm raised caribou?
 
Reindeer are just a different breed, as the original stock was imported from Norway.
Meats and white pelts were the selling products back when everyone wore fur.
The Gov's intention when forming the herds from them was basicly for turning Hunters into Farmers and settling Eskimo.

The Reindeer are domesticated and farmed or herded. Caribou are taller, longer in nose and have a different shape to their antlers.
Reindeer can be bought and sold.while Caribou are wild and cannot be sold in a market.

In the mid 90's 450,000 Caribou in our herd came along here to the Northern Seward Peninsula and left with 38,000 Reindeer. They all became Caribou...LOL!!

When the bulls go into rut, we shift to young, immature bulls with 'sticks' for antlers, or Cows with no calfs, as old cows get barren in their last few years. Fat and no baby, we try and hunt them in the coldest months, as they remain fat when they have no calf. But , yes , we will take a few old cows (lots of points on those antlers!) like we would get a bull of two if we cant get cows in dead of winter.
Ths meat lasts, usually, untill march or so, what you see us putting up there along the banks is 5 months worth of meat for our selfs and shared out to others. Some folks just fish, some just hunt, some do both, so its not hard to give out meats. A late Summer Moose is shared out that way, gone in a day.
The main reason we use the .22lr is because it penetrates the back of the skull with certainty, and does not exit to wound other Caribou swimming with them.

Bullets, weather magnum or regular velocity kill if you place them correctly.
A .22 in the brain is winning shot
 
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caribou said:
Reindeer are just a different breed, as the original stock was imported from Norway.
Meats and white pelts were the selling products back when everyone wore fur.
The Gov's intention when forming the herds from them was basicly for turning Hunters into Farmers and settling Eskimo.

The Reindeer are domesticated and farmed or herded. Caribou are taller, longer in nose and have a different shape to their antlers.
Reindeer can be bought and sold.while Caribou are wild and cannot be sold in a market.

In the mid 90's 450,000 Caribou in our herd came along here to the Northern Seward Peninsula and left with 38,000 Reindeer. They all became Caribou...LOL!!

When the bulls go into rut, we shift to young, immature bulls with 'sticks' for antlers, or Cows with no calfs, as old cows get barren in their last few years. Fat and no baby, we try and hunt them in the coldest months, as they remain fat when they have no calf. But , yes , we will take a few old cows (lots of points on those antlers!) like we would get a bull of two if we cant get cows in dead of winter.
Ths meat lasts, usually, untill march or so, what you see us putting up there along the banks is 5 months worth of meat for our selfs and shared out to others. Some folks just fish, some just hunt, some do both, so its not hard to give out meats. A late Summer Moose is shared out that way, gone in a day.
The main reason we use the .22lr is because it penetrates the back of the skull with certainty, and does not exit to wound other Caribou swimming with them.

Bullets, weather magnum or regular velocity kill if you place them correctly.
A .22 in the brain is winning shot
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My impression is that people who haven’t lived in the Arctic of AK have a hard accepting that a hunter up there is a full time occupation. When a native of the Western Arctic tells you he’s a hunter that means he hunts for a living. Being a hunter isn’t a sport in that part of the country.

When I tell somebody I’m a hunter that means it’s something I like to do not something I do for survival. That’s a huge difference and it’s tough for people on the lower 48 to understand,
 
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H&Hhunter said:
That’s a huge difference and it’s tough for people on the lower 48 to understand,
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I think it goes beyond that. For some, it is just plain naivete, and for others, it is just some strong cultural biases, particularly for some "hunters" who have very strict considerations for what hunting is to them and subsistence hunters simply would not make the cut as being "hunters." I think we have had previous discussions here about "hunting" versus "harvesting" where hunters wanted to make sure and explain that people not hunting the way that they did, you know, like Native Americans and such, are not real hunters, but are harvesters, which are not really hunting at all...apparently. As near as I can figure it, harvesters have it too easy is why they aren't hunters.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/ethical-or-legal.94245/page-2#post-1166839
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/i-have-done-it-wrong-all-of-these-years.883495/
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ts-past-600-yards.840498/page-2#post-10907825
 
As a Hunter, I would break it down this way;
Hunters chase down wild animals and kill them....we call it "catch', here, as they can always escape our intentions...
Harvesters raise an animal, and later run an animal into a chute, or whatever, for slaughter. Ranching, Farming, etc.

As a kid, I spent years working on Farms and Ranches, so I have a grasp on this....LOL!

As a Hunter, theres a whole social/economic difference from farming/Ranching, as well, different diet, different laws, a different outlook, different land/water use, different view of land ownership/Hunting territories, and much much more.

I am a Hunter. I do not harvest, while I also fish in wild rivers, lakes and steams, trap wild fur,and gather wild greens and berrys, as we plant nothing.
 
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Today the wife decided that Ukpiqs are done and Blackberrys and Cranberrys are in. Actually, it sort of frosted and ripend those last night, so her and the oldest daughter are 7 gallons up and a spare gallon of Cranberrys.
Its so lucrative for them, here in a tidal zone, thatwe will likely go to the coast, as there are better growing conditions for them there, sand and all.
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At one time, all of our ancestors were Hunter gather'rs

Conditions vary, but Hunting takes many forms and means. If its not in a pen, its likely being hunted.

These berrys were sought out and found, picked and carried home.
 
caribou said:
At one time, all of our ancestors were Hunter gather'rs
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^^^yes they were, and only because they found successful way to hunt and gather is the only reason we are here today. Not all of those ways were sporting and pretty, but they made for us to survive, just as they do for indigenous peoples today.


caribou said:
Conditions vary, but Hunting takes many forms and means. If its not in a pen, its likely being hunted.
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^^^ and not always hunted by man. Being hunted by other predators is generally not pretty either. I'd assume back before wolves were hunted as heavily as they are now, that packs of them waited for herds to cross rivers and become vulnerable, just as the natives in Alaska do. Maybe even a trick learned from the wolves.
 
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