SoCalShooter
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Doing my part, we take out 20 to 30 people from our work and friends out to shoot in the desert. I have also helped to sell 5 more off list lowers to friends who really loved my ar 15.
Future gun owners: hippies, punks, goths, nerds and everyone else.
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mordechaianiliewicz
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I'm an ubergeek, and love to take others to shoot who are not the "expectant" types.
I don't usually go for asians, girls with funky hair, or fishnets, but let me just say: OMG, that is HOT. It must be the gun. 
Now that I got that off my chest: I love the image's "cultural contrast". It really stands out as peculiar and, while not so peculiar enough to turn a person to disbelief, peculiar enough that it catches and holds the viewer's attention.
I wonder how those platform shoes impact a person's ability to keep proper stance and shoot from various positions? Never thought about that before. I imagine it'd make prone, at least, a little awkward.
Me, I dress like a hippie, I'm told. "Combat" boots, frequently complimented with BDUs (or at least kakis/cargos of neutral earth colors - more common), and "hippie-like" shirts and stuff. Mostly baggier clothes. I carry a "purse" with a bunch of stuff in it, and I fit the "geeky hippy" appearance a bit closer than I do the "gun owner" image. At least that's what I think. It provides for better opfor intel gathering, provided I keep my mouth shut.
As for "gun user profiling", the "right" (which includes gun owners) is much more harsh and closed minded here in the upper Midwest. It's pretty disheartening.
Now that I got that off my chest: I love the image's "cultural contrast". It really stands out as peculiar and, while not so peculiar enough to turn a person to disbelief, peculiar enough that it catches and holds the viewer's attention.
I wonder how those platform shoes impact a person's ability to keep proper stance and shoot from various positions? Never thought about that before. I imagine it'd make prone, at least, a little awkward.
Me, I dress like a hippie, I'm told. "Combat" boots, frequently complimented with BDUs (or at least kakis/cargos of neutral earth colors - more common), and "hippie-like" shirts and stuff. Mostly baggier clothes. I carry a "purse" with a bunch of stuff in it, and I fit the "geeky hippy" appearance a bit closer than I do the "gun owner" image. At least that's what I think. It provides for better opfor intel gathering, provided I keep my mouth shut.
As for "gun user profiling", the "right" (which includes gun owners) is much more harsh and closed minded here in the upper Midwest. It's pretty disheartening.
Wayne02
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Oleg, your work is first rate as always.
I don't get by this forum as often as I would like so if this idea has been suggested before, just ignore this post. In addition, I probably have not seen all your work and there is a good chance it has already been addressed.
That said...
I think it is a good thing that many of us take the time to introduce new people to the world of shooting, but I think the process is incomplete as far as it goes, as it is I see precious few new people coming into the shooting disciplines, and even fewer people who become shooters AND ACTIVE Second Amendment / Gun Rights advocates. There seems to be an assumption that just introducing new people to firearms will magically make them an engaged/active 2A advocate as well, my experience has been that is not the case. Just as new people need education about the safe handling and use of firearms, they need exposure and education about the importance of actively engaging in pro gun activities. The long and short of it is it really doesn’t matter how many new people we introduce to firearms if we allow our 2A/gun rights to be eroded away.
I wonder about images that would more directly address this subject? Maybe something that depicts:
- A spilt image with an experienced shooter/2A advocate showing a new person how to shoot the firearm in one screen, and the same experienced shooter/advocate showing the new person how to join their local 2A rights group, (or national – NRA etc) in the other screen. This may be too busy for one image but it would be nice to tie the two things together somehow.
- An image that shows the experienced shooter showing the new person how to join and work for a pro-gun candidate’s campaign.
- An image that shows an experienced shooter/advocate going into the voting booth to vote for the pro-gun candidate.
- An image that somehow depicts the person contacting their elected reps on gun issues, maybe using email, fax, mail, and phone call.
- An image that depicts a person who is attending and/or speaking during a hearing at their local government on a gun rights issue.
- An image that depicts a person who is doing research on candidates to determine who the pro-gun candidate is. It may include finding out the NRA’s rating on the candidates, it may include research into the candidate’s previous voting record etc.
I don’t know if any of these ideas are realistic, but I do know that if we don’t start generating the next generation of ACTIVE 2A/Pro Gun advocates then all the shooting instruction in the world won’t mean much in the long-run.
Wayne
I don't get by this forum as often as I would like so if this idea has been suggested before, just ignore this post. In addition, I probably have not seen all your work and there is a good chance it has already been addressed.
That said...
I think it is a good thing that many of us take the time to introduce new people to the world of shooting, but I think the process is incomplete as far as it goes, as it is I see precious few new people coming into the shooting disciplines, and even fewer people who become shooters AND ACTIVE Second Amendment / Gun Rights advocates. There seems to be an assumption that just introducing new people to firearms will magically make them an engaged/active 2A advocate as well, my experience has been that is not the case. Just as new people need education about the safe handling and use of firearms, they need exposure and education about the importance of actively engaging in pro gun activities. The long and short of it is it really doesn’t matter how many new people we introduce to firearms if we allow our 2A/gun rights to be eroded away.
I wonder about images that would more directly address this subject? Maybe something that depicts:
- A spilt image with an experienced shooter/2A advocate showing a new person how to shoot the firearm in one screen, and the same experienced shooter/advocate showing the new person how to join their local 2A rights group, (or national – NRA etc) in the other screen. This may be too busy for one image but it would be nice to tie the two things together somehow.
- An image that shows the experienced shooter showing the new person how to join and work for a pro-gun candidate’s campaign.
- An image that shows an experienced shooter/advocate going into the voting booth to vote for the pro-gun candidate.
- An image that somehow depicts the person contacting their elected reps on gun issues, maybe using email, fax, mail, and phone call.
- An image that depicts a person who is attending and/or speaking during a hearing at their local government on a gun rights issue.
- An image that depicts a person who is doing research on candidates to determine who the pro-gun candidate is. It may include finding out the NRA’s rating on the candidates, it may include research into the candidate’s previous voting record etc.
I don’t know if any of these ideas are realistic, but I do know that if we don’t start generating the next generation of ACTIVE 2A/Pro Gun advocates then all the shooting instruction in the world won’t mean much in the long-run.
Wayne
Oh yeah, figure I'll post a photo or two, too.
Here's my kid brother:
He's one of the "super-creative" types who was diagnosed with ADD as a kid (and arguably still has it to some degree). He's a big goof, and currently the creative director in China for a local, domestic company. Through high school and up until the last year or so, he was pretty anti-gun, holding fairly leftist dogma. He'll likely be coming home, to the States, within a year, and he's planning to buy an AK or AR when he gets here. I've helped win him over.
(ETA: the glasses were stolen from the girl he stayed with the night before... they weren't "his", but they made a nice photo-op range accessory! :-D)
Here's my kid brother:
He's one of the "super-creative" types who was diagnosed with ADD as a kid (and arguably still has it to some degree). He's a big goof, and currently the creative director in China for a local, domestic company. Through high school and up until the last year or so, he was pretty anti-gun, holding fairly leftist dogma. He'll likely be coming home, to the States, within a year, and he's planning to buy an AK or AR when he gets here. I've helped win him over.
(ETA: the glasses were stolen from the girl he stayed with the night before... they weren't "his", but they made a nice photo-op range accessory! :-D)
nobius
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Atek3
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Spartacus451
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Definitely one of your better posters.
Hokkmike
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I welcome anybody who shoots as a long as they are SAFE.
mordechaianiliewicz
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Wow, Biker. I gotta admit, that's pretty much how i imagined you'd look. Some people here have been a surprise. You... not so much.
atek3
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of course
I welcome all Second Amendment supporters who choose to promote the RKBA issue, ones who choose to own/shoot firearms and ones who only do the "political" part of it and may or may not own a firearm. There are some of 'those' out there too. They believe in the issue but don't shoot often and some do not even own a firearm because they are just not INTO IT. They are not ANTIS. Understand me?
They come in all ages, all sexes, all colors, all religious or lack thereof types, all political parties, all socio/economic classes, all backgrounds, raised by conservative, liberal, moderate parents/mentors, all parts of the country, etc.
You can't ALWAYS judge a book by it's cover or someone's gun POLITICS either.
Some of us use the words conservative, liberal, moderate, constitutionalist, libertarian, etc.
I know some R wingers who go on about gun rights but Ignore and Neglect the other parts of the Constitution/Bill of Rights and the freedoms that they have LOST or been ignored by past, present and most likely FUTURE Presidents and Congress!
VICE VERSA on L wingers.
People have to start to THINK outside of the box in NOT only gun issues, other freedom issues, compromising gun organizations and in their so called LESSER of the EVILS in candidates for President, Congress, state and local levels.
They have to stop worrying about being so dang P.C. just because the TRUTH might offend some people. YOU can be honest, polite and still state the TRUTH about those gun free zones = LIES and pro gun and pro liberty issues.
I am a middle aged lady who may not look like the typical gun nut because I don't always wear jeans or boots or whatever! I dress conservatively and wear eyeglasses. I have been known to shoot dressed up - dress and or sweater/skirt with high heels, casual - jeans or shorts, jogging shoes, you name it. I do like my Uncle Mike's shoulder holster, my Triple K leather cowboy belt - think of "High Noon", my fanny pack, my briefcase and my purse. I like to OPEN carry too. Out here - you can do that pretty easily compared to back east (East coast.) where I was born/raised and then later on lived 'rural' in farm/lake country... my late husband's state with anti gun Dems and anti CCW - partial anti gun RINOS. RINO Gov too! Go figure!
I do NOT dye my hair, do not have an unusual hair style, only have one pierced earring in my L and R ears, no makeup or a tiny bit, no tattoos or markings... I am not INTO that stuff but if a woman or a man would stand by me in RKBA issues and have all of that - GREAT! I am counting on them shooting straight from the mouth and the hip! On top of that if they were in defense of our Republic against a foreign or domestic enemy along with retired and active Veterans, etc. --- we would all be in the Militia - all of us as INDIVIDUALS, eh? The people who have the right to keep and bear arms and it will NOT be infringed.
When the Revolution comes... another tea party... you will see all walks of life and those colors will be red, white and blue with a touch of this or that. You will have females in ALL ages who know what freedom means along with a thing called self preservation. They will be ladies who REFUSE to be a victim. They will teach the younger and older ones that you can be a LADY who loves and shoots firearms safely. They will be ladies who might put those firearms and pitchforks to good use too!
They might even teach the men a few things too.
Not all ladies who like to shoot have to look "tough or mean" or different. Some people think of that on gun toting ladies. Just like the ones who look different to me because I am 57.5 years old and don't understand the looks in some younger people. However... if they want freedom and they want to keep and bear arms... bring them INTO the FOLD and teach them well.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition! Amen.
Yours in liberty,
Catherine - Armed and Female
http://www.mtssa.org/
http://www.gunowners.org/
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
They come in all ages, all sexes, all colors, all religious or lack thereof types, all political parties, all socio/economic classes, all backgrounds, raised by conservative, liberal, moderate parents/mentors, all parts of the country, etc.
You can't ALWAYS judge a book by it's cover or someone's gun POLITICS either.
Some of us use the words conservative, liberal, moderate, constitutionalist, libertarian, etc.
I know some R wingers who go on about gun rights but Ignore and Neglect the other parts of the Constitution/Bill of Rights and the freedoms that they have LOST or been ignored by past, present and most likely FUTURE Presidents and Congress!
VICE VERSA on L wingers.
People have to start to THINK outside of the box in NOT only gun issues, other freedom issues, compromising gun organizations and in their so called LESSER of the EVILS in candidates for President, Congress, state and local levels.
They have to stop worrying about being so dang P.C. just because the TRUTH might offend some people. YOU can be honest, polite and still state the TRUTH about those gun free zones = LIES and pro gun and pro liberty issues.
I am a middle aged lady who may not look like the typical gun nut because I don't always wear jeans or boots or whatever! I dress conservatively and wear eyeglasses. I have been known to shoot dressed up - dress and or sweater/skirt with high heels, casual - jeans or shorts, jogging shoes, you name it. I do like my Uncle Mike's shoulder holster, my Triple K leather cowboy belt - think of "High Noon", my fanny pack, my briefcase and my purse. I like to OPEN carry too. Out here - you can do that pretty easily compared to back east (East coast.) where I was born/raised and then later on lived 'rural' in farm/lake country... my late husband's state with anti gun Dems and anti CCW - partial anti gun RINOS. RINO Gov too! Go figure!
I do NOT dye my hair, do not have an unusual hair style, only have one pierced earring in my L and R ears, no makeup or a tiny bit, no tattoos or markings... I am not INTO that stuff but if a woman or a man would stand by me in RKBA issues and have all of that - GREAT! I am counting on them shooting straight from the mouth and the hip! On top of that if they were in defense of our Republic against a foreign or domestic enemy along with retired and active Veterans, etc. --- we would all be in the Militia - all of us as INDIVIDUALS, eh? The people who have the right to keep and bear arms and it will NOT be infringed.
When the Revolution comes... another tea party... you will see all walks of life and those colors will be red, white and blue with a touch of this or that. You will have females in ALL ages who know what freedom means along with a thing called self preservation. They will be ladies who REFUSE to be a victim. They will teach the younger and older ones that you can be a LADY who loves and shoots firearms safely. They will be ladies who might put those firearms and pitchforks to good use too!
They might even teach the men a few things too.
Not all ladies who like to shoot have to look "tough or mean" or different. Some people think of that on gun toting ladies. Just like the ones who look different to me because I am 57.5 years old and don't understand the looks in some younger people. However... if they want freedom and they want to keep and bear arms... bring them INTO the FOLD and teach them well.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition! Amen.
Yours in liberty,
Catherine - Armed and Female
http://www.mtssa.org/
http://www.gunowners.org/
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
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Being a summer of 1950 baby and remembering some clothes even though I dressed pretty conservative most of my life... I am smiling here. They had fish net stockings, black or navy stockings, heels, knee high boots, sun dresses, shifts, Jackie K. clothes, hats, gloves, heels and purses for Church and dress up events, flowered and solid mini and knee length dresses, Twiggy outfits, Diane V.F. prints, trench coats, USN pea coasts, herringbone tweeds, Chanel suits along with uniforms in some religious and private schools not counting rules/regs in public schools. Some public schools did not allow jeans for a time frame too. The country or rural ones did though. It depended on your part of the country.
This made me smile and NO offense. What was in style in the 50's, 60's and on... now is a big thing with college kids too.
Respectfully yours,
Catherine
Being a summer of 1950 baby and remembering some clothes even though I dressed pretty conservative most of my life... I am smiling here. They had fish net stockings, black or navy stockings, heels, knee high boots, sun dresses, shifts, Jackie K. clothes, hats, gloves, heels and purses for Church and dress up events, flowered and solid mini and knee length dresses, Twiggy outfits, Diane V.F. prints, trench coats, USN pea coasts, herringbone tweeds, Chanel suits along with uniforms in some religious and private schools not counting rules/regs in public schools. Some public schools did not allow jeans for a time frame too. The country or rural ones did though. It depended on your part of the country.
This made me smile and NO offense. What was in style in the 50's, 60's and on... now is a big thing with college kids too.
Respectfully yours,
Catherine
Yokel
"No hippie under the influence or suspected of being under the influence of drugs should be allowed on the range.
Didn't the hippie movement wither away by the early 1970s?"
I think Yokel missed the point of this thread.
So, in the same spirit, can I add:
"No redneck under the influence of alcohol, or suspected of being under the influence of alcohol should be allowed on the range".
Ron, a clean and sober hippie from the 60's who legally carries a 1911, or a Glock, or a Kahr or all the above, every day.
"No hippie under the influence or suspected of being under the influence of drugs should be allowed on the range.
Didn't the hippie movement wither away by the early 1970s?"
I think Yokel missed the point of this thread.
So, in the same spirit, can I add:
"No redneck under the influence of alcohol, or suspected of being under the influence of alcohol should be allowed on the range".
Ron, a clean and sober hippie from the 60's who legally carries a 1911, or a Glock, or a Kahr or all the above, every day.
scrat
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Thats me.
Cubavera, Davincii clothes. Just some of my attire.
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