G3 at the Range

[Panzerschwein]

I personally found the Springfield M1A to be clumsy and outdated looking. Also from what I hear, they aren't as accurate as a proper G3 pattern rifle.

That and the Smokey Bear hat and aviators wearing elitist old codgers who swoon over them just nauseated me.

 

[jobu07]

I personally found the Springfield M1A to be clumsy and outdated looking. Also from what I hear, they aren't as accurate as a proper G3 pattern rifle.

That and the Smokey Bear hat and aviators wearing elitist old codgers who swoon over them just nauseated me.

Depends on the PTR-91 and M1A matched up to shoot against each other. An short of a PSG-1 clone I don't think any G3 pattern rifle will outshoot a National Match M1A.

 

[Slamfire]

Depends on the PTR-91 and M1A matched up to shoot against each other. An short of a PSG-1 clone I don't think any G3 pattern rifle will outshoot a National Match M1A.

Since no one ever used or uses a HK91 action in NRA Highpower competition, I have never seen the two shooting the same game. I have taken my PTR91 out to my Club's "Old Military Gun Match", and the lack of a bolt hold open device rules out the HK91 as a competition rifle. NRA rules require single loading and this mechanism is not made for single loading prone, with a sling.

I have paper reports from an estate sale and one of them dates back to the 1950's when these rifles were all being tested against each other. Mind you the ammunition was ball, and that is not accurate at all. None of the service rifles of the period, that is FAL's, M14's, and G3's are all that accurate. Basically 4 MOA to 6 MOA groups. These rifles can be built into more accurate machines, but then they become target rifles, not service rifles.

I got my Distinguished Rifleman Badge with an NM M1a. Still have a thunderstick and shoot it occasionally. I am happy to state I shot it this month in my Club's 100 yard reduced match, and shot a 96 out of 100 offhand. I have not totally lost it! Prone rapid fire was a train wreck. Shot a 188 prone slow fire, one seven out the top. I would hate to have to hump the thing all day, it must be around 12 to 15 pounds with the heavy barrel and lead shot in the buttstock. Sure is accurate, but it is not a service rifle. It looks like a service rifle, but it is not a service rifle anymore.

 

[barnbwt]

"The problem with the HK design is you need decent steel to manufacture the bolt head, rollers, and locking peice. If you use crap steel those parts will be beaten into unusable shape before the first basic load goes through the gun."
And yet even the often incompetent fascist Spaniards managed to pull it off (well, up until the CETME L, which had some other issues working against it). I suspect making the trunnions/barrels of those guns isn't nearly as mystical as HK likes to present it; it's likely just a type of tool steel that isn't typically used in firearms because the added hardness isn't needed (and those tiny little roller surfaces do need it). Like the 'special' distinctive purple colored steels in many of their handguns over the years, which are simply evidence of a higher nickle content than gun makers usually bother to spring for (since it is not needed) I also understand the sheet metal of these precision (and rather fragile) receivers isn't anything special, either; just a load of stiffening features to get the mild steel shell to a useful point of durability. That might speak more for the reproduction receivers/flats we see, but I understand the original guns weren't exactly immune to bending compared to their contemporaries (themselves bulky forged receivers, like the FAL or M14). The STGW has the same issue, but the Swiss actually built up the sheet metal box with a combination of spot-welding and oven brazing (belts & suspenders), then surface-hardened the crap out of everything. The receiver remnants were like spring steel, and skated files!

"That and the Smokey Bear hat and aviators wearing elitist old codgers who swoon over them just nauseated me."
'Carlos Half-Cocks?'

TCB

 

[Nature Boy]

That and the Smokey Bear hat and aviators wearing elitist old codgers who swoon over them just nauseated me.

Guilty as charged!