Gangbangers in gun stores?

[GEM]

Hey, I was in a TX gunstore yesterday and saw a old cowboy looking TX cowboy buying a Winchester 1300 for his Goth chick grand daughter for house self defense while her neo-nazi baldy boyfriend hung out behind. Then he bought her some low recoil tactical 00. The classic good old boy clerk was happy to sell that stuff.

Gramps probably had GWB stickers on his truck.

If it is a straw sale - then that's different from just dress. Ted Bundy dressed nice.

 

[Taurus 66]

and you have proved my point - if you dont like it leave it will make you happier in the end

Glad I could help.

 

[mrmeval]

Yes it is if you're a racist ???????

Anyone ever go in a gunstore and see something at a good price that your buddy has been looking for then whip out the cell phone to give him a heads-up? I guess to some that's the makings of a straw purchase.
Everything you see is not exactly like you imagine.

Art's Grammaw was here.

 

[Mauserguy]

"A little skinny asian kid, didn't look no more than 19, was fixing to buy a Bushmaster. He was literally jumping up and down! I mean, he looked ENTIRELY too happy to be buying one. He paid cash, $1300 for this one."

This sounds like me when I buy a new gun, though I am a honky.

I went shooting Thursday, yeah I was supposed to be working from home, but they didn't miss me. I drove out into the desert and was practicing shooting from the prone position, when I noticed, on the ridgeline behind me, were some people and a little Honda.

I glassed them with my binocs and they sure looked like gang banger types. What alarmed me, though, was that they were shooting at bottles in my direction. I removed my earplugs and I could hear their rap music fill the air. I lazed them and determined that they were at 354 yards. Admittedly, they didn't appear to be breaking any laws other than the basic laws of safety. I would have gone and chewed them out, but I figured that if they were gang bangers, I better stay away.
Mauserguy

 

[Majic]

Yes it is if you're a racist ???????

Just where did racism fit in the post?

 

[pax]

Moderator Note

Please communicate without cussing on THR.

pax

 

[Biker]

Just where did racism fit in the post?

A fair question.
Biker

 

[pbhome71]

66,

I need someone to translate that for me.

 

[armoredman]

Loosely translated, "I am a complete moron, My life expectancy is 20 years, if I don't end up in prison for uncontrollable stupidity." I think that's basically the drift...
Typical garbage I hear from inmates....They still try to wear thier pants saggy, hats backwards, etc, but here we can do something about it....

 

[Biker]

66,

I need someone to translate that for me.

I'm dumb,
You're smart,
I'm rich,
You're not,
I get a lot of sex and I beat my girlfriends,
I'll shoot some LEOs rather than go back to jail.

Roughly...

Biker

 

[adaman04]

I went in to a pawn shop I frequent a while back to look for bargains (yeah, right ) and there was this d-bag Eminem wanna-be was in there in his wife beater, XXXXL jogging pants hanging down to his knees, some old Jordans, holding 2 Newports in his hand, 2 behind his ear, and the pack stuck insdide the armpit of his shirt. He had hickies from his nasty skank girlfriend all over him and in that nasally congested slang said: "Yall, got any fity-cals?" while looking at the fine selection of Glocks they had. I wanted to pick up the 2 inch wrench that was on the counter and beat him until my arms were tired. Wow, that was nice. Anyway....

Another time, same shop, a fine upstanding member of society was in there and said: "What's the cheapest gun ya got?" The guy showed him a .22 revolver and he replied: "No, I want one wif on of dem clips wif it." Then he asked what he had to do to buy it. The guy told him he had to get a permit, yadda yadda. He said: "So then after I get it, I can carry it in my pants and ***?" Where's that wrench?

I know you all are getting tired of reading, so CLIFF NOTE TIME!

Once a woman was buying 9mm ammo for her baby-daddy (direct quote) and wouldn't buy any of the ammo they had in the store because it wasn't nickle cased because "It wasn't what his gun shot."

A kid came in to Graf and Sons while I was in there and said "Can I look at some guns?" The guy said yes and the kid pointed to the biggest hand cannon they had in the case. The guy working there asked if he was 21, "No...". Of course he said he couldn't show him anything.

"Can I look at that black one then?" pointing at an AR.
"Sure, are you 18?"
"No..."
"THEN I CAN'T SHOW YOU ANYTHING!" Pointing to the door.

Disclaimer: The names have been left out to protect the idiotic, scum of America. These are true stories with a mix if racial and ethnic backgrounds. I am in no way saying that all these people were black, hispanic, chinese, Jewish, Non-Denominational, left handed, lazy-eyed, etc.

 

[akodo]

saw a bit on 20/20 or somesuch about 10 years ago.

Had a young black man wearing 'gang colors' ask to look at guns, which the clerk did. Next they had an older white man in 'biker cloths' come in, he took the gun he was looking at and slid it into the inside pocket of his denim vest, said 'fits nice, and is within easy reach'.

The narrator then talked like it should be a crime to show guns to those wearing gang colors and what the white guy did should have told the clerck he was clearly planning on doing something illegal. My response to both was bull????. First, yea, you cannot have a law that judges people by clothing alone. Does this mean I cannot wear my red t-shirt when i go to buy a gun because it's a 'bloods gang color'? Second part, it is only illegal to conceal without permit out and about on the street. You can legally conceal in your own home/business. Maybe the guy was a barowner of a biker bar and wanted protection. Maybe he was just a guy who liked bikes and freedom and had a CCW.

On the flip side, clothing and appearance IS part of the total package of how you read someone. Now, there are plenty of other factors. Acting nervous, smelling like pot, bodylanguage, calling someone, etc etc etc.

Hiphop 'Gangsta-rap' is heavily dominating young urban fashion, and not just for blacks. You cannot use that criteria alone. Of course, most of these incidents ALSO included the criteria of suspicious behavior or statements.

However, I do have to end this by saying that 'gangsta-rap' praises negative actions and criminal activity. If a person chooses to dress in that style, what does that say about said person? Even if they are not trying to pass themselves off as a 'gangsta' they are still showing their affiliaiton with that type of mindset. Should there be laws based on clothing? No. But to think your outfit, be it 'gangsta wear' or 'aryan boy' or whatever isn't going to impact how people view you is unrealistic.

 

[jashobeam]

Let me break it down like dis--'na mean?

("'Na mean?" means "you know what I mean?")

I live in San Jose, CA, where most young men dress in the hip-hop style. A lot of youth today have been so indoctrinated by MTV and brainwashed by rap music and rap videos that they actually think that "dressing up" means wearing their best tennis shoes (Air Jordans), most expensive baggy jeans, two or three Sean John shirts, and a down jacket with a faux fur lined hood. They are completely oblivious to the fact that the people they are trying to impress are NOT the people they need to impress. They think that EVERYONE will recognize their taste and style and give them "much props" because of their gear.

I work at a gun shop/indoor range. We get all races and nationalities coming in to shoot and rent guns. A few weeks ago two black men dressed as described above came in to rent and shoot guns. A black female coworker of mine asked me to help them (she wanted me to help them because she smelled marijuana on them and wanted to see if I also smelled it. Though I did smell it, it was faint and neither man seemed noticeably stoned.) The entire time they were shooting, a third black man who had entered the store with them remained in the store talking on his cell phone. All his teeth were gold. He had gerry (sp?) curls and wore a gold-colored valour sweat outfit with a matching hat. He kept going into the restroom. One time he was in there so long that another employee asked someone to go in there and see what he was doing.

The evening passed without incident, but the mere presence of these men created a stressful environment and made all of us uncomfortable. When I walked to my car to leave that night, I found an empty bottle of Hennessey near where they had parked.

Men such as these seem too unaware of the stereotype they epitomize to even begin to make an effort to distance themselves from it, let alone attempt to disprove it.

To their credit, the men who actually shot at the range were respectful toward me and obeyed the range rules. The point is, however, that they represented a bad element with which most of us would rather not have dealings.

 

[Lindenberger]

Bill of Rights

One lesson we can take from "all of the above" is that we have to stand up for everyone's rights--not just the rights of those with whom we identify. In the following oft-misquoted quotation, one could insert almost any type of race, class, creed, skin tone or national origin (and people have, to suit their own special interests) and the effect is still the same. Remember, to your average anti-gun safety-beaver morally-superior types, we're all a bunch of low-life creeps in their minds--in one form or another. The only way to win over the serenity-nazis is to stand up for the rights of all. In a big way, the 2nd Amendment guarantees all the other rights. So we should stand up for all the other rights, even those exercised by smelly 4th-grade dropouts or homosexuals or whoever:

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade-unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade-unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Martin Niemoeller


All of our rights are under siege. Cindy Hill (Brady Denial? You CAN get your guns back!) says that "If you add up all the categories of people who can receive Brady denials and take Project Safe Neighborhood to its ultimate conclusion, . . . something approaching 50 percent of all the adult men in this country may lose their firearms rights. And at that point, all of our civil liberties are in profound danger."

Noda Mean? Nome Sane?

Addendum: I.e., "If we don't hang together we'll all hang separately."

 

[Gatman]

Most people who crash planes into buildings are not 80 year old white women, and most bangers are not 45 year old white men in suits.

Nope. The white guys are most likely Serial Killers or Serial Rapists if we want to stereotype.

Now the thing you have to ask is: The man with the sawed off rifle a pew posts ago. How many people here feel that they should allow us to own Class III and NFA weapons? Randy Weaver sawed off a gun and look at how much crap the government gave him. A lot of Conservative types complained about it because it was government harassment. I feel he did nothing wrong and I do not thing the man with the cheap sawed off rifle did anything wrong either. It was essentially the same crime if I am not mistaken.

And for those people who are asking for a cheap handgun, obviously they do not have the cash to go buy an expensive 1911, Sig, HK, or nicer firearm. So they get what they can afford. Should we ban the "Saturday night special" because they are cheap and affordable? Whose to say then that other more expensive handguns are not Saturday Night Specials? After the cheapest guns are gone then the Glocks will be the next cheapest. Then the Sigs and HKs. Then the Kimbers and some other 1911s. Then the custom guns.

A lot of people are also unfamiliar with ammunition and calibers. The women who wanted Nickel Plated ammo probably has no experience with ammo and does not really know anything about guns. She called the man she was buying it for her "Baby Daddy". Is it not a term of endearment such as hubby, boy-toy, or something else? How many of you have wives who have no knowledge of firearms pick up some ammo at the local Wal Mart?

 

[IcebergDave]

Thanks for all the replies, everyone. This ended up being a very intersting thread.

 

[cxm]

People Judge

The fact is people make judgements based on initial impressions. There is nothing new about this... and to me it is very reasonable.

I watch people a lot... and appearances and body language tell a great deal about people and their intentions. In fact, anyone who carries a CHL should develop their observation ability to be able to identify potential threats will in advance so they can be prepared to react if needed.

I have no problem with people dressing and acting in any way they wish so long as it does not impact me... they on the ohter hand should not have a problem with me make decisions based on the way they dress and act...

Of course EDs make judgements about the honest folk too... some of them just have better victim acquisiton skills than others.

FWIW

Chuck

I knew a guy that fit that profile. Young, black, hip hop clothes, gold chains, the wheels on his Escalade cost more than the car I drive. Lots of women around, and always new ones. He always had a big wad of cash in his pocket. I saw first hand the way some people looked at him and thought he was a drug dealer, gang banger or pimp.

He worked with me, he has a degree in computer science and his position at the company was network admin and computer security specialist. I never knew of him breaking the law except for speeding.

 

[nobby]

The thing that bothers me, is when a person or group of people come into a gunshop who don't fit the mold of an "appropriate" gun owner, and they get a lot of side glances as soon as they walk into the shop.

I know. It's like you can see them taking their pre-planned SHTF positions behind the counter...expecting the worst. That's why I do most of my gun shopping during the week when I'm in uniform. It appears to make my presence somewhat "tolerable" to others. I have actually done experiments....

Oh, well. Life goes on I guess.

 

[VirgilCaine]

... 1st two guys standing at the end of the counter, wife-beater shirts, pants to their knees, $200 tennis shoes, etc. I look over the railing and see a shotgun, a rifle, a giant handgun box when opened to reveal a tiger-stripe Desert Eagle(yes tiger-stripe) 10 boxes of various ammo and the guy behind the counter was going to get MORE.... I didn't stick around to see what else was fixing to be used in a gang shooting or at the local rob-and-go.

Riight, all that cash and they'll use their guns to rob a convenience store. Bank, maybe, not a convenience store.

 

[charliemopic]

Not Happenin

While I have not witnessed this I don't think my local shop would tolerate this behavior and feel confident that this "type" of individual would be directed to the exit fairly quickly WITHOUT making a purchase.

The way these shop owners are around here gangbanger types wouldn't last.

 

[charliemopic]

Whats a straw purchase?

Can someone explain what a straw purchase is? duhhh%^&

 

[bobhaverford]

Dictionary

straw man
n.

1. A person who is set up as cover or a front for a questionable enterprise.

Legal Dictionary
straw man
n.

An intermediary for a transaction (as a conveyance of real property)

 

[cosine]

I don't. Never have. I'm 17. Will be 18 in less than 2 months. I wear a clean T-shirt, clean, unripped, blue jeans. I wear a baseball cap from a vacation I was fond of. I have no tatoos or piercings. I hate hip-hop *music*. I listen to jazz & symphony music.

Hey, you sound just like me. Every single one of your points applies to me. (Except that I play jazz too besides listening to it.)

I'm looking forward to when I can get a firearm and I believe strongly in personal liberty. I know a guy who is a psuedo-wannabe tough guy, and I'm glad that my parents put enough limits on what I did when I was younger so that I didn't get drawn into the MTV, hip-hop, gangbanger culture.

 

[kjeff50cal]

Can someone explain what a straw purchase is? duhhh%^&

It is the simple act of buying a firearm for someone (not a gift) or buying a firearm for immedate sale to someone. The someone that is usually a person prohibited from touching let alone buying a firearm. Example ex-felon G. Gordon Liddy's wife has a very large gun collection. I know quite a few women into firearms but it is said Ms Liddy's hobby allegedly started after Mr. Liddy got out of prison...... . Most straw purchasers are not related to the prohibited person except by the fee charged for the purchase.

kjeff50cal

 

[MDG1976]

Quote:
Originally Posted by FallenAngel
Most people who crash planes into buildings are not 80 year old white women, and most bangers are not 45 year old white men in suits.

Nope. The white guys are most likely Serial Killers or Serial Rapists if we want to stereotype.

Gatman- You're misunderstanding FallenAngel's logic. He's not stereotyping race. He didn't say "Most blacks are gangbangers", he said "Most gangbangers are black". There's a big difference in those two statements.