Geez, how back-stabbing are some people?

[The Swede]

It can't be just me that gets annoyed when I see and ad for an AR or any other EBR that reads something like this:
"NIB stock AR15, blah, blah, blah, this and that- $1,600. Complain about the price now or pay 3K when they are banned."

Um, is that a threat?? Cause crap like that really makes me want to go out and buy THAT rifle from THAT guy. I consider these people to the lowest of low form of human being. Don't get me wrong I am all for Capitalism, but this is outrageous. We are all brothers here, we should act like it. I wouldn't sell my neighbor a run of the mill AR for $1,600 nor any of you. We are brothers and we stick together. We fight the fight, we don't try to make a buck because a certain person is about to take the seat in a certain office. Nothing has happened yet.

I hope if you sell your AR for $1,600 you give some of your profits to a pro second amendment organization instead of just sitting back and sucking the blood from your fellow member, brother, neighbor, friend, customer, etc.

All the best in this new year-
Nick

 

[Kind of Blued]

There are plenty of gun owners who value money more than their rights.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

I don't see how it is any more or less pro-gun to make more or less profit on a sale. If you don't want the gun, buy from another guy. If they're all about that price, well, then that's the value. A gull wing Benz is worth a lot more now than it was in the 1950s. Is the owner gouging you?

 

[Gunnerpalace]

It's the principal there are people out there camping all the gun websites buying 100 pmags at a time in hopes that a ban comes and the can make money on it, They want an AWB.

 

[Kind of Blued]

I don't see how it is any more or less pro-gun to make more or less profit on a sale. If you don't want the gun, buy from another guy. If they're all about that price, well, then that's the value. A gull wing Benz is worth a lot more now than it was in the 1950s. Is the owner gouging you?

It's the sellers who hope for anti-gun legislation so they can make some extra money. It's ascribing a monetary value to a God-given right. Do you not see anything grotesque about that?

 

[KelVarnson]

1.) I LOVE capitalism! (At least what's left of it)

2.) If you were not politically aware enough to buy your EBR 6+ months ago, well, that's on you.

3.) All of the hand-wringing in the world is not going to stop people from charging market value for their guns. Might as well just accept that and enjoy your life.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

KOB: "It's the sellers who hope for anti-gun legislation so they can make some extra money. It's ascribing a monetary value to a God-given right. Do you not see anything grotesque about that?"

No more grotesque than having to pay for advertising space in the Sunday paper.

 

[Sir Aardvark]

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but this is Capitalism that we're talking about here.

Capitalism (along with gun rights and a number of other things) is the foundation that not only is America built on, but it is what built America - Freedom costs money, Folks!

People will pay what a product is worth - we all saw this during the last AWB where $600.00 AR's were going for $1,600.00.

I find it sad and somewhat irritating that some people will take any opportunity to gouge you out of your money, but, it is what it is.

 

[cbrgator]

Here's one thing people are forgetting about capitalism. If everyone refused to buy $800 AR's at twice the price, it wouldn't cost twice the price. The problem is with the buyers not the sellers. The idiots willing to drop double the value on a rifle are the ones creating the market for them.

 

[Kind of Blued]

No more grotesque than having to pay for advertising space in the Sunday paper.

I know what you are trying to say, but it's nonsense. A privately-owned newspaper is not the same as the Constitution of the United States. We're not talking about money or capitalism here; we're talking about an attitude.

Some people would rather have X amount of dollars rather than their Constitutional Rights. They hope for a decrease in freedom so they can make more money. If the legislation didn't make them more money, they wouldn't support it. There is a difference between selling a high deman item at a high price, and pure greed. This is what I (and others) find disgusting.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

The First Amendment rates right up there with the Second and Third. Yet you have to pay to get your words into print. Advertising space doesn't grow on trees; nor do firearms.

If indeed the sellers were working to get BO elected in order to profit off of the election results, I'd dislike them for it. But I doubt that is really the case. They just want to make money. Nothing wrong with that, unless they're selling phoney guns, broken guns, whatever and not disclosing it.

"The value of a thing, is just exactly what 'twill bring." - Adam Smith or Ben Franklin, forget which.

 

[Kind of Blued]

If indeed the sellers were working to get BO elected in order to profit off of the election results, I'd dislike them for it. But I doubt that is really the case.

They're out there, and the reason for my disgust.

I agree with your points on capitalism, it just wasn't what I, personally, was talking about.

 

[Treo]

He's only charging what the market will bear. Why is that wrong?

That's how a free market economy works

 

[ljnowell]

If people feel the guns arent worth the cost then they shouldnt buy them. Case in point: American cars. The majority of Americans feel the cars arent worth the money. Consequently foriegn cars are still selling ok and American cars have dropped greatly in price. If people had the self control to not pay those prices then those prices would come down.

 

[jpatterson]

I hear ya. On my local gun-trading website people are selling DPMS's for 2000$. Kinda makes me wanna puke.

 

[Prince Yamato]

I'm going to dissent...

I think a lot of what's going on is profiteering, plain and simple. I don't think everyone who bought from aimsurplus or cheaperthandirt was buying for their personal collection. Some were definitely buying en masse so they could immediately resell at a higher price. That's basically what's become of gun shows lately.

The difference between the aforementioned gull-wing Mercedes and a gun is that self-defense is a civil right. Instead of comparing it to a Mercedes, compare it to marking up the price of bottled water when drinking water is not available. On top of that, people are doing this during a recession, which I think is doubly wicked. I understand prices will go up. I know how the economy works, but what's going on now is profiteering.

Not everybody could afford to buy an AR before the election either. I think it is unfair to chastise some people whose incomes may have led them to be at a slight purchasing disadvantage before and at a humongous disadvantage now.

 

[ljnowell]

The difference between the aforementioned gull-wing Mercedes and a gun is that self-defense is a civil right.

You dont have to have an AR to defend yourself, just like you dont need a mercedes to drive.

 

[deacon8]

I am really bad with acronyms. What the hell is an "EBR?" As for my $.02, as with any product, value is going to increase when demand increase. That includes speculation of increased demand. I wouldn't take it personal-I mean let's face it, ALL guns are going to increase in value (as long politics are entirely corrupt at all levels). Hell, in 50 years, old Remington single-shot .22's might be worth a couple grand, if what we fear comes true.

But what is an "EBR?"

 

[deacon8]

And I agree...you don't need an AR, specifically, to defend yourself.

 

[ljnowell]

EBR=Evil Black Rifle

 

[deacon8]

haha...gotcha

 

[Valkman]

Evil Black Rifle

Oops too late.

 

[WardenWolf]

Those who would trade freedom for a quick buck deserve exactly what they get.

 

[deacon8]

I agree with that statement, but who is talking about trading freedom?

 

[cracked butt]

Look at the flipside=
everyone and their brother has been buying huge numbers of rifles and magazines for the last year. If an AWB goes into effect, the prices for resale may go up. On the other hand, the economy is getting more bleak every day- those extra two or three carbines and extra 200 magazines sitting in a person's safe begin to look awfully expendable when unemployed and bills need to be paid- multiply that by several thousand, and you might see the prices dropping dramatically.
The other scenario is that a ban might make the rifle unsaleable, and the owner has to eat the cost of the them.