George Bush and Teddy Kennedy both support the new amnesty bill.

[Biker]

Click on these sites - www.numbersusa.com and www.fairus.org - for contact info. You can also send free faxes to your Senators and Congressthings through numbersusa and possibly fairus.

Biker

 

[Biker]

Likely to be an important vote today in the Senate, Ladies and Gents. I urge you to go to the sites in my sig and contact all your Pols. You can call, send emails and fax for free through numbersusa.

Biker

 

[Thin Black Line]

Yokel, liked the Cicero wiki-link with the quote:

Cicero aspired to a republican system dominated by a ruling aristocratic class of men, “who so conducted themselves as to win for their policy the approval of all good men”.

If only we had such men as representatives today, but their current conduct
is completely contrary to winning the approval of good men.

However, this is one of the things I don't like about wiki with its disparate
authors:

The combination of the Roman governing system, established by the oligarchy to maximize economic exploitation, and the introduction of the business minded Knights only sought to increase the plundering of resources within the Empire. The large-scale extortion destabilized the political system further, which was continuously under pressure by both foreign wars and from the populares. Moreover, this period of Roman history was marked by constant in-fighting between senators and the equites over political power and control of the courts. The problem arose because Sulla originally enfranchised the equites, but then, these privileges were soon removed after he stepped down from office.

It was more than that when it came to Sulla......far more than that...and without
reading more on Sulla during his time period people can't fully grasp what
happened to that oligarchy --literally overnight:

In total control of the city and its affairs, Sulla instituted a reign of terror, akin to, and in response to that which Marius and Cinna implemented while they were in control during Sulla's absence. Proscribing or outlawing every one of his political opponents, Sulla ordered some 1,500 Roman nobles (i.e., senators and equites) executed, though it is estimated that as many as 9,000 people were killed[7]. The blood bath went on for several months. Romans were executed for any reason or none at all. Helping or sheltering a person who was proscribed was also punishable by death. The State confiscated the wealth of the outlawed and then auctioned it off, making Sulla and his supporters vastly rich. (One option commonly taken by those who had been proscribed was suicide, which under Roman law allowed their property to pass as inheritance to their families, and not as spoils to Sulla.) The sons and grandsons of the outlawed were banned from future political office, a restriction not removed for over 30 years.

 

[rev214]

those who favor this disgrace of a bill (800 pages of it) believe in it so much that they want to ram it through the senate by memorial day, with little debate on it...

you know its bad when a massachusetts presidential candidate is cheered in south carolina while their own senator is jeered...

 

[Thin Black Line]

Massachusetts vs Illinois

Biker, thanks for the links. Let me spell some things out very clearly for people
in terms of their wallet. In fact, I'll use Sen Kennedy's state as the starting
point to illustrate we're all not going to be equally impacted by this amnesty.


Massachusetts:

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research079c

Estimated Annual Fiscal Costs to Massachusetts Taxpayers
for Emergency Medical Care, Education and Incarceration Resulting from Illegal or "Guest" Workers and
Projected Costs Based on an Amnesty
in millions

Current $580

2010 $992

2020 $1,737

Illinois:

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researche21f

Estimated Annual Fiscal Costs to Illinois Taxpayers
for Emergency Medical Care, Education and Incarceration Resulting from Illegal or "Guest" Workers and
Projected Costs Based on an Amnesty
in millions

Current $2,341

2010 $3,917

2020 $6,699

Massachusetts: Median income $52,354 (9th)

Illinois: Median income $45,787 (18th)


Thoughts? Comments? Blank stares? Stock up the beer for Memorial Day and
forget what the day is all about?

 

[wingman]

Simply corporate America is in charge of our country and it is slowly being sold
to the highest bidder, I have never seen anything like the current atmosphere
of greed that is in all parts of our government and corporations, the American
consumer/taxpayer is being (highroad language) abused.

 

[Biker]

Betcha, TBL. Fact is, our phone calls and faxes *are* making a difference. Which one of us is going to be the drop of rain that causes a flood of Truth?
C'mon folks, stand up and step forward.

Biker

 

[Thin Black Line]

Simply corporate America is in charge of our country and it is slowly being sold
to the highest bidder, I have never seen anything like the current atmosphere
of greed that is in all parts of our government and corporations, the American
consumer/taxpayer is being (highroad language) abused.

Try the mid-1990s as the USSR collapsed: the typical citizen lost their income,
savings, pensions; the country's infrastructure was sold off; if someone wasn't
already in gov't (or the Partiya) they didn't get a piece of the privatisation
pie. But, hey at least the little old babushki could now sell trinkets next to
the roads from flea market tables and bread was still cheap.

Their economy went to cr@p all without illegal immigration. I'm sure that
protracted war in......um.......Afghanistan didn't help, but surely that had
nothing to do with it?

Big picture, ppl, big picture. Hence, my quote from Cicero

 

[Gunpacker]

Another "compromise" between kennedy and bush. Be still my heart.

I think that they are brothers in belief. Or else kennedy could sell bush the Brooklyn Bridge if he ever gets low on money.

 

[Art Eatman]

This should have gone to APS long ago. That's what happens when I go to the back country and work on the hunt camp, I guess.

Art