Glock 40 7.62x25mm

[Texasred]

So while I was thinking about the .30 carbine double action masterpiece, I also thought about this.
I have a CZ 52 and I have heard that you can get a 9mm conversion bbl since the case back is the same.

If this is so, why doesn't anyone make a tokarev bbl for the Glock 9mm family,
High Capacity plus High Velocity = High Fun Factor.

I just don't understand why this cartridge is not used in more modern gun designs. It would also make a good beretta carbine. So what you think, if Glock can chamber the .357 sig and the 10mm, why not this

 

[Texasred]

No one huh?

 

[Ivy Mike]

IIRC, the Tokarev cartridge is a good bit longer than 9x19. That might make conversion a bit difficult in a gun that doesn't chamber anything as long as the 7.62x25. I suppose if the OAL wasn't an issue, you might be able to work up some shims to use the CZ52 magazines in a Glock and maybe even get it to work with the mag release.

I don't see it working easily though.

You might have better luck with a revolver originally made to stomach .357mag.

 

[Ivy Mike]

The biggest reason I can see for not using it in modern guns is its length and small caliber and bullet weight. I know they are pretty hot rounds but 7.62mm at 85 grains isn't all that confidence inspiring when loaded with modern expanding ammo.
I am just speculating though on the performance. I'd like to see some ballistics tests though. A few years ago, I thought one might make a good Coyote hunting round if you were to load it with something of a rifle bullet. The thing I couldn't figure out how to get past was the overall length and the possible legal issues should someone consider it an armor piercing round in a pistol.

 

[Kosh75287]

Might be fun.....

....but I'm not sure what we'd have, at the end of the day. A hot .30 cal pistol cartridge raises some intreresting possibilities as a trail gun, but lowers defensive potential, I would think.
I think the conversion IN THE GLOCK from 9x19 to .30 Luger would be easier. The 7.62x25 is, I think, a somewhat higher pressure cartridge, and the extra case length may also make things tricky. It seems it's easier to convert from a longer cartridge to a shorter one, rather than the other way around. A case length difference of 6mm may be a bit much. Strictly speaking, I think the .30 Luger is a shade longer than the 9mm, but not by much. Anyway, since the .30 Luger is the parent of the 9x19, the conversion seems plausible.
At THIS point, I guess I should point out that my technical expertise in gunsmithing is such that I can SPELL the term correctly(most days, anyway), but not much more. What I'm saying about all this is strictly from observation and surmises, but I believe these to be correct.
There are a few brave souls who've loaded the 7.62x25 to impressive velocities in the Cz52 pistol, though the ballistics are still somewhat behind a .30 carbine IN the carbine. How the 7.62 might behave in a carbine is open to conjecture. A somewhat more worthwhile conversion might be to blow the case straight to 9mm and put THAT in a carbine. Perhaps some of the old "Destroyer" Carbines could be so converted. When all is said and done, the end result would likely be somewhat inferior to what could be had from a Rossi Carbine in .357 or a Marlin lever action in the same flavor. In happier times, when high magazine capacity pieces weren't viewed as inherently evil and .30 U.S. Carbines were plentiful, converting them to .357 was a fad. I don't know how they worked out, but certainly the potential was there.

 

[Northalius]

GLOCK would most likely make the 7.62x25 Glock using the Glock 20 and Glock 29 models, since they're already 10x25mm, and can also presently be converted to 9x25 Dillon. And yes, people've brought this same idea up on the other "What would you like to be the next Glock model made?" threads before. I'd love to try it, since I'm already getting a Glock 29, I could just convert it.

 

[Texasred]

I think I remember seeing a picture of some of our troops holding the PPsh's and using and prefering them in door breaching and house raiding.


Thats where I figured the round still had purpose, with a short spitzer bullet?

 

[atblis]

Think about this

Many people are interested in the 7.62x25 simply because of the cheap surplus available. Corrosive ammo, of very questionable quality, with some known pressure issues (Bulgarian?).

Considering the quality of the ammo that most would be shooting, would you as a manufacturer produce a new pistol that you would have to service, repair, support, warranty, and get sued when one detonates in somebodies hands? And just think what people will be trying to handload based on the reputation of the cartridge.

 

[grendelbane]

Magazine length is the big problem for a modern 7.62 Tok pistol. None of the Glock pistols have a magazine long enough to hold this round.

The Chinese did convert some 1911s at one time. This required either squeezing a new magazine to make it come out longer, or manufacturing a new magazine to hold the longer cartridge. Then, they had to remove enough material from the front of the magazine well to hold the longer magazine. Lots of work, and lots of room for Murphy to move into the spare bedroom!

I have considered this for my Gov't model .38 Super. I have a couple of Mec-Gar magazines which will already hold 5 of the 7.62 Toks. Still, it would be a lot of work, and other than cheap surplus being readily available, the cartridge really doesn't offer much over other cartridges.

I suspect that I could probably handload some of the new bullets deep enough so the cartridges would fit in my magazines, so all I would really need is a Gov't model barrel chambered for the Tok cartridge. But then, I could not shoot the cheap surplus.

I think I will persue some other project for now.

 

[grimjaw]

Is the bullet diameter different for 7.62x25 Tok versus .30 Carbine? If not, might be able to have someone whip up a cylinder for the Ruger Blackhawk in .30 Carbine. Don't think it'll work in a reasonably sized Glock, though.

jm