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My wife tried to find a good ammo with which her Glock would be reliable (Glock 27, .40 S&W). We went out and loaded up with several brands of ammunition (one at a time) with different shaped FMJs and some JHPs. Not a single time did the Glock function through more than one magazine.

Every 10-15 rounds, with all ammunition used, with all three magazines (stock 27, 27 w/Pearce +1, and a stock 22) there would be a jam. No failures to eject, or failures to fire. Only feeding problems. The rounds would nose down in the mag, or nose up into the top of the chamber. I think three magazines, out of maybe 200 rounds fired, went flawlessly.

The pistol has been broken in, with over 500 rounds through it. She can take recoil, she can fire a pistol proficiently (heck, when the Glock worked, she was hitting targets at 50 yards...) but the pistol refuses to work. Any suggestions? We bought it new not too long ago.
 
Yeah, I have to agree.
The shorty forty versions take an even firmer grip than the 9mm.
 
When I first got my G22 I went out with a shooting buddy and shot a box through the gun. I had perfect feeding and my friend would have a jam about every third shot. I posted about it and was introduced to the limp wristing concept. In retrospect my friend could get all my autos to fail, while it never happened to me. I had not realized that all the jams where when my friend was doing the shooting. You did not mention if it was just when your wife was shooting or if it happened to both of you. I would think a small gun like that with strong loads could take a little getting used to. A little attention to his grip and my friend has had a good track record ever since. And I am not mad at my Glock anymore!
 
After I shoot a lot of rounds, often my hands get tired, and hold the glock with limp hands. not feeding is common. Then I man up, problem went away.
Firm up the grip, Glock will work like it supposed to do.
 
If you can eliminate limp wristing as the source of your troubles, try getting a stronger recoil spring and seeing if slowing down the slide velocity a little improves reliability.
 
It's nice to hear your wife is putting in the time to get her carry gun properly set up & that she has dedicated herself as well to preparing herself as well! That said, 200 rounds or defensive ammo might be alot at one sitting and might not be a fair test of gun, ammo or shooter. I would suggest less ammo and concentrate on improved form and see what happens! ;)
 
This gun has consistently malfunctioned even in my hands - and I started out shooting the Kel-Tec P11 which has more recoil than this Glock 27. I can say for near certain that she isn't limpwristing it.
 
Sounds like you need to send it back to Glock....

and have them look at it. I agree with above, sounds like limp wristing to me.........chris3
 
This gun has consistently malfunctioned even in my hands - and I started out shooting the Kel-Tec P11 which has more recoil than this Glock 27. I can say for near certain that she isn't limpwristing it.


Let me ask you, do the malfunctions happen at the end of the magazine? Say the last or next to last round?

If so,"Limpwristing" is not your problem, timing is. Whats happening is the slide is out running the magazine. The Mag cant lift up the next round fast enough for the slide to catch the rim of the shell. A stronger recoil spring makes this problem worse.
Fix, call Brownells and order a pack of wolff extra power magazine springs. The +10% ones. They're the same as the extra power springs that fit the model g19.

HTH
 
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Your experience with a Kel-tec is irrelevant to this discussion. As others suggested, if the problem isn't limpwristing, but that the slide speed is too fast, then go to a heavier recoil spring. If limpwristing is the problem, which I suspect, then going to a heavier spring will just make the problem worse.

Glocks don't need to be "broken in," so the 500 rounds that you spent "breaking in" the G27 also don't relate to the problems you're experiencing. I'd try several fixes before I'd pay $50 to send it to Glock to have them tell you that there's nothing wrong with it.
 
1.limp wrist
2.oil liberally
3.take mag extensions off
4.try 165gr and above ammo
5.make sure ejector is not broke or bent
6.take to gun smith that is certified with glock so warranty is not voided
7.send back to glock
 
Did the pistol work fine when new? If so, then something has changed....find out what it is by eliminating the possibilities. If it hasn't worked since new, then send it back to Glock or find a Glock Armorer to check it out.

If all else is as it should be, the major causes of pistol malfunctions are either "dirt", ammo, or magazines.

Use stock factory magazines for the 27. Using 22 mags may let them rock enough to cause a feed jam. The Pearce +1 extension may be a problem, it's another possible cause due to it letting the spring out farther plus the extra pressure on the bottom of the magazine pulling to the rear with the little finger. Take your magazines apart and clean them. The springs shouldn't be weak if it's a relatively new pistol, but..hey, anything is possible. Glock will replace them for free if they are bad. You may try downloading them by 1 rd to see if it makes a difference - do not stretch the springs when you have them out for cleaning, this will weaken them.

Make sure the pistol is properly clean and lubricated. Detail strip and clean the slide - specifically, around the extractor to make sure that there isn't any "trash" keeping it from opening as the base of the brass slides up behind it.

Use american made factory ammunition. 165 and 180 grain should work fine. The 165s may be a little easier to control depending on brand/load. I think that Winchester White Box 180s are easy to find and should work fine - use the 50 rd boxes if available, they seem to have a little better quality compared to the 100 rd value packs. If you use hollowpoint ammo, use one with a rounded profile....some pistols don't like some ammo..usually it ain't much a Glock won't feed, but...every pistol is a machine unto itself.

The 40s do have snappy recoil but should still function fine if all is as it should be and your not letting it "jump" out of your hand in recoil....a proper grip is all that is needed - no death grips required ! You should be able to fire it weak hand only without problem...if not...you may want to consider a model 26.

Let us know what happens.
 
+1 for limp wristing. glocks are less prone to this than a certain JMB design but any auto pistol can malfunction if it isn't given a solid (locked wrist) platform to push against. subcompact pistols are even more prone to limp wristing.

if it absolutely is NOT limp wristing, then it may be the magazine.

in any case, my glock 27 will cycle anything. anything. so if yours isn't there is definitely a big problem and it ain't the ammo, nor a "break in" period.

next time you shoot it, get a good, solid, two handed death grip on the gun and see if it still does it. if not, you can relax to a normal, firm grip and it should still work fine.
 
make sure the feed lips on the mag are straight. I bought a new 27 direct from glock and when I shot it one of the mags was consistantly jamming on the last couple rounds by having the bullit nose up and catch on the edge of the chamber. I sent the mag back and got a replacement free of charge and have never had a problem since with 6 or 7 different types of hollow point ammo.
if its doing it with all three mags I would have to say its either a problem with the gun (highly unlikly unless someone tried to do something internally, or it is a one in a million factory screw up) or a problem with the shooter( higher probabilty- have other shooters try it).

let other shoot it and if everyone has the same kind of problem, take it to a glock certified smith and let them look at it.
 
Oh, yes....Limp wristing, by all means....:eek: Gee, if not, all those " umpteen-torture tests" have just been flushed down the latrine....:evil:
 
I, for one, totally see where Glock is coming from when they tell people that it's probably them when the gun isn't working. You have to figure that 70% of the LE agencies out there use Glocks, not to count the civilians, and if they took in the gun, free of charge, for every limp wrister or person who doesn't know how to clean and lube the weapon then they'd go bankrupt in a year. I mean, we all know that LE officers are true firearms experts and armourers to a man and they would never blame the weapon on their sloppy shooting technique when they shoot their gun once every three months, right? :rolleyes:
Then you get into the whole KB thing, and I live in Portland, Oregon where the Police Bureau made the huge mistake of putting out a "Glock sucks!" news story while refusing to let Glock inspect the weapon in question :scrutiny: , when the true reality of the situation is that you risk your firearm whenever you shoot it regardless of the make, manufacture or model of your firearm and ammo. That's right kids, every time. Can you be absolutely certain that something hinky didn't happen when they put the bullet together? More often than not, certainly. But one round in one million or 100 million might have a hiccup and you just might be the lucky winner of a KBed pistol. When you look at the real, raw numbers of Glocks out there in use every day by people all over the world, and then correlate the KB stories, you still get a weapon at least as reliable and KB-resistant as any made by anyone else simply because there are more Glocks out there shooting more ammo than just about any other manufacturer. So, naturally, they get to the bad ammo or random manufacturing quirk faster than just about any other manufacturer out there.

Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )
 
Okay, I'm going to second much of what was said by Ken Rainey.

Set aside the G22 magazine (use it in a G22), restore the stock G27 magazine floor plate to the magazine which has the Pearce +1, and check the feed lips of the stock G27 magazine to see if they exhibit any signs of being pinched or damaged.

Now, while another forum has had a surfeit of threads discussing the 'best' follower for a .40 S&W chambered Glock, and Glock has revised their followers a number of times (for more than just the .40 S&W models, FWIW) ... it may not be necessary to replace older revisions of .40 followers & magazines with new ones ( and newer followers don’t all work in older magazine bodies, anyway). If they work for one person and their ammunition selection, then they work ...

I've used stock G27 magazines with a variety of quality ammunition produced by the major American manufacturers, using #4, #5 & #6 followers ... and only had a few feeding issues. Probably half a dozen out of more than 4,500 rounds fired. (A couple of those involved factory +2 LE magazines ... a couple involved a magazine in which I suspected the feed lips might've been spread, and which I took out of service ... and a couple of them just happened. Might've been caused by me, and an unintentionally relaxed grip at the wrong moment. Who knows?)

Once the stock magazines are being used in the condition and manner intended, sans 'improvements', and you're using good quality ammunition in a properly clean and lubricated pistol ... I'd make sure the shooter's wrist is locked. It only takes a moment's distraction to relax a grip or allow a wrist to break/unlock, and then have potential feeding/functioning problems arise.

"Lock Wrist" & "Lock shooting hand wrist" are among the listed Corrections recommended in 5 instances of Observed Problems & Probable Causes in the Glock armorer's manual ... and "Change Ammunition" is one of the Corrections listed when Failure To Feed occurs (and in four other Problems, as well).
 
Took my concealed carry permit renewal class over the weekend. I ended up shooting next to an older woman with a Glock 17.

She was holding the pistol very tentatively, low on the grip with her strong hand. Her weak hand was holding the bottom of the grip (and her strong hand)with just a thumb and fingers style grip. She had her elbows down and held against the front/side of her chest with the gun at eye level. Of necessity, her strong hand wrist was "broken" toward the target to get the gun level.

She couldn't fire so much as a single shot without the gun jamming and as a result she failed the qualification on her first try.

She was given some coaching and instruction before her second try at qualifying (you're allowed a total of 3 tries) and gripping the gun properly, she finished the second attempt with zero jams/malfunctions.

Holding the gun properly can make a real difference.
 
Okay, answering questions one at a time:

Let me ask you, do the malfunctions happen at the end of the magazine? Say the last or next to last round?

Happens all throughout the magazines. Has happened on 2nd round, next to last round, and everything in between.

Fix, call Brownells and order a pack of wolff extra power magazine springs. The +10% ones. They're the same as the extra power springs that fit the model g19.

The 9-round magazines hold 8, but I can jam another one in there if I put my weight on the magazine while pushing it down onto a cartridge and slide the magazine over onto it. With the +1 extension that magazine holds 9 comfortably. The 22 mag holds 14 easily and the 15th goes in with difficulty. I am fairly certain that they do not require extra power magazine springs.

Glocks don't need to be "broken in," so the 500 rounds that you spent "breaking in" the G27 also don't relate to the problems you're experiencing. I'd try several fixes before I'd pay $50 to send it to Glock to have them tell you that there's nothing wrong with it.

I had heard that, but others had said otherwise. Didn't know who to believe, so I gave it a chance to fix itself. It didn't.

1.limp wrist

Could be, but we are both experienced shooters and haven't had problems with anything else. She put 200 rounds through a rental Glock 27 with no problems either. I put about 1000 rounds through a Kel-Tec P11 with no limpwristing problems, and I haven't loosened up since then, and I would doubt the Glock would be more sensitive than the Kel-Tec. However, I have not ruled out this possibility. I will make a conscious effort to not limpwrist the next time I shoot it.

2.oil liberally

I had heard exactly the opposite. I thought the Glock was supposed to run nearly dry. I left the factory copper-colored grease on the slide rails, and gave everything else a light film of Hoppes Elite.

3.take mag extensions off

There is only one magazine extension, on one of the factory 9 round magazines. All three magazines malfunction equally, with and without the extension.

4.try 165gr and above ammo

Have been using both 165 and 180 grain ammo. Haven't tried anything lighter.

5.make sure ejector is not broke or bent

It's perfect. It has had no problems ejecting or extracting, only feeding. Nose down in the magazine or nose up onto the top of the barrel.

6.take to gun smith that is certified with glock so warranty is not voided

Definitely thinking about that one, but most gunsmiths around here are more into blued double barrel shotguns and bolt rifles.

7.send back to glock

That's one of my last options.

Did the pistol work fine when new?

Nope.

If all else is as it should be, the major causes of pistol malfunctions are either "dirt", ammo, or magazines.

No dirt. I clean my pistols religiously (even my wife's pistols). The ammo has varied from WWB to Blazer Brass to Remington UMC to a few Gold Dots. Nothing has fed reliably. The magazines are all three factory stock magazines, and one has a +1 Pearce extension on it - all three have experienced jams. The chances of all three new magazines being problematic is practically zero.

Use stock factory magazines for the 27.

One of them is stock, still jams.

Using 22 mags may let them rock enough to cause a feed jam. The Pearce +1 extension may be a problem, it's another possible cause due to it letting the spring out farther plus the extra pressure on the bottom of the magazine pulling to the rear with the little finger.

Could be, but like I said the stock 27 mags would jam too. They both jammed before I put the +1 extension on one of them.

Take your magazines apart and clean them.

Did.

You may try downloading them by 1 rd to see if it makes a difference - do not stretch the springs when you have them out for cleaning, this will weaken them.

Tried that. In fact, the magazine springs are so stiff it takes a herculean effort to get that 9th round in. And I know better than to mess with springs - I do have a degree in mechanical engineering. Good idea to mention that though, I know folks will do a lot of stupid stuff.

Make sure the pistol is properly clean and lubricated. Detail strip and clean the slide - specifically, around the extractor to make sure that there isn't any "trash" keeping it from opening as the base of the brass slides up behind it.

Been there, done that. No extraction or ejection problems anyway. Only feeding.

Use american made factory ammunition. 165 and 180 grain should work fine.

All I've used so far. Mostly WWB, Blazer Brass, and Remington UMC. All fail to feed.

The 40s do have snappy recoil but should still function fine if all is as it should be and your not letting it "jump" out of your hand in recoil....a proper grip is all that is needed - no death grips required ! You should be able to fire it weak hand only without problem...if not...you may want to consider a model 26.

She rented one along with the 27. She said it felt wimpy. She put 200 rounds through the rental 27 with no problems.

if its doing it with all three mags I would have to say its either a problem with the gun (highly unlikly unless someone tried to do something internally, or it is a one in a million factory screw up) or a problem with the shooter( higher probabilty- have other shooters try it).

It does indeed jam will all three mags. I have had other shooters shoot it and it does jam with them too. Granted, both others were long-time revolver shooters, but .357 snubs aren't exactly pansy-guns. The rented Glock 27 worked perfectly for both of us through 200 rounds each, which is one reason she decided to buy it.

Set aside the G22 magazine (use it in a G22), restore the stock G27 magazine floor plate to the magazine which has the Pearce +1, and check the feed lips of the stock G27 magazine to see if they exhibit any signs of being pinched or damaged.

Only recently bought the 22 mag, the gun was jamming with the stock floor plates before we put on the Pearce +1, and I already checked the feed lips - they are perfect.

Now, while another forum has had a surfeit of threads discussing the 'best' follower for a .40 S&W chambered Glock, and Glock has revised their followers a number of times (for more than just the .40 S&W models, FWIW) ... it may not be necessary to replace older revisions of .40 followers & magazines with new ones ( and newer followers don’t all work in older magazine bodies, anyway). If they work for one person and their ammunition selection, then they work ...

These are all three brand spanking new factory magazines (new from the factory from our local dealer in February and the 22 mag in May), the newest drop-free version. All of them have the number 6 stamped or molded into the area which engages the slide stop.

Springfield XD.

She tried one - hated it. I tried one - it was okay.


Sorry for such a long reply. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions, it's been very helpful.
 
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