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Glock Problems

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by simple_rule, Dec 23, 2012.

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  1. simple_rule

    simple_rule Member

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    I had a 17 that ate through everything and never had a malfunction the entire time I owned it.

    skip to recently. the lady bought a gen 3 glock 26. the First day at the range we shot about 200 rounds. it had a several failures, twice it didnt fire when pulling the trigger, and twice it didnt eject the round and jammed. This was using Remington UMC, which isnt that great usually. Im not worried about this problem lol its not my gun and she cant hit a thing anyway.

    We havent shot it since but she's shooting it today so wel see if it's still doing it.

    NOW skip to this week. I picked up a gen 4 glock 19. Took it to the range and shot about 120 rounds. in the first 80 rounds, three jams. Each time the shell didnt eject, it actually just did a backflip in place and kept sticking in the slide backwards with the round underneath half jammed in the barrel. This was using PPU. I didnt clean the gun before shooting, it was brand new and clean enough. just a little lube.

    This is dissapointing. Any ideas on whats causing the g19 problem?

    Aside from the realiability issues, the 19 is my favorite of the bunch. I got very tight groups, and the balance/feel of the gun is perfect. It feels like it aims itself lol. When you pull it up to the target it alligned without feeling like you have to "tilt" it do to being back or front heavy.
     
  2. hentown

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    Try hotter ammo, and make sure you're not letting your wrists and/or elbows act like shock absorbers. The fact that you're having trouble with both Glocks would tell me that something's wrong with the shooter(s), not the Glocks.
     
  3. Teachu2

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    Same crappy ammo?
     
  4. ku4hx

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    One of the first lessons I learned about Glocks, was from my first Accurate Arms reloading book. In it there's a chart that references various of their powders with various bullet weights. In essence, what the chart is saying, Glocks gotta have a certain "power level" [my words] to function properly. I've followed that advice since 1991 and my experience with my eight Glocks has proven the advice to be very accurate.

    If you don't hand load and custom build your ammunition, you have to try different commercial offerings to find the ones that work.
     
  5. 45_auto

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    They all should work like your original 17. Send them back to Glock and let them fix them if they don't.
     
  6. JERRY

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    i agree with 45 auto, wwb 115 gr. ammo should run like a top in a g26 or g19 without issue.
     
  7. 777TRUTH

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    Sounds like limp wristing on some of the jams.

    The FTF on the G26 could be either bad ammo or gunk in the firing pin channel or both.

    The FTE could be caused by the factory gunk in the extractor. Blast it with non clorinated break cleaner or even better remove the extractor and get it really clean and look for any burrs on the extractor itself.
     
  8. glove

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    What he said on the post above.:)
     
  9. fatcat4620

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    Glockhas issues with the recoil springs and the ejector. First make sure it is not new old stock.
     
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  10. 9mmepiphany

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    It is pretty easy to test the extractor.

    Load a round from the magazine, eject the magazine and fire the round in the chamber. If the casing drops out the magwell instead of popping out the ejection port, the extractor isn't holding the casing correctly
     
  11. Urban_Redneck

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    It's been reported that some of the recent Gen 3 and Gen4 guns have had problems with extractors and ejection. Google " Glock brass to face".

    Apex has recently come out with parts that appear to fix things.

    YMMV
     
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    This is very true.

    The current Gen3 and Gen4 Glocks have updated ejectors that work reliably for me. I suggest checking the number on the side of the ejector to see if it's the current unit. If not, you can have Glock fix it for you.

    I recently bought a used Glock 23 that was having reverse stovepipe issues. I checked the number on the ejector and it was the older unit. I bought a replacement for $10 and installed it last week. Yesterday, I ran 200 rounds through it without an issue...
     
  13. average_shooter

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    I also just replaced the ejector on my new Gen 3 G19 ($8.25 + shipping from RockYourGlock.com). I even called Glock first and asked if I could get a new extractor from them and I was told they are aware of the problem and replacing the old Gen 3 style ejector with the new Gen 4 ejectors is the fix. I don't like to send guns back to the manufacturer for unknown time periods, especially for things I can easily fix myself.

    Apparently even though the frames are "Gen 3" they changed some dimension on the slide that can cause the original ejectors to cause failures.
     
  14. chris in va

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    IIRC PPU is steel case. Get some CCI Blazer Brass.
     
  15. M1key

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    From Glocktalk moderator, armorer, and GSSF coach Danny Ryan:

    Sorry I can't access the link



    Over the years, several U.S. ammo manufacturers have reduced the power level of their cheaper lines in order to squeeze out more profit dollars. That is a sad fact. You must accept that not all 115-gr ammo is created equally. Manufacturer's specs prove that point beyond question.

    Glock 9mm pistols have been designed for NATO ammo since day one. Minimum ammo velocities used to be published in the Glock Armorer's manual. The year 2000 manual calls for a minimum of 1,180fps from 115-gr and 1,148fps from 124-gr. Remington UMC, Blazer, Federal Champion and PMC fall far below those minimums. Most European choices meet or exceed NATO spec.

    By the way, the original Gen1 G17's cam with 18# recoil springs, but Glock had to change that to 17# because of the US Market in 1986.

    I am posting a copy of my research once again. Bottom of the list is the lowest powered ammo. Should Glocks run on anything? No! Should BMW's and Shelby Mustangs run on regular gas? No. Why is UMC, Blazer, and Champion so cheap?

    Brand Weight Velocity Power Factor
    Fiocchi 124 1180 146.32
    Fiocchi 147 1000 147.00
    Fiocchi 158 940 148.52
    Am Eagle 147 1000 147.00
    Win RA9124N NATO 124 1185 146.94
    RWS Sport FMJ 124 1181 146.44
    S&B 124 1181 146.44
    Rem. Express 147 990 145.53
    Magtech 147 990 145.53
    UMC 147 990 145.53
    Lawman 147 985 144.80
    Prvi Partizan 147 984 144.65
    S&B 115 1250 143.75
    Fiocchi 115 1250 143.75
    Am Eagle 124 1150 142.60

    *Glock Minimum* 124 1148 142.35

    Win USA 124 1140 141.36
    Blazer 147 950 139.65
    Lawman 115 1200 138.00
    PMC Bronze 124 1110 137.64
    Magtech 124 1109 137.52
    Win USA 115 1190 136.85
    Rem. Express 124 1100 136.40
    UMC 124 1100 136.40
    Am Eagle 115 1180 135.70

    *Glock Minimum* 115 1180 135.70

    Blazer 124 1090 135.16
    Blazer Brass 124 1090 135.16
    Lawman 124 1090 135.16
    Cor-Bon match 147 900 132.30
    My Reloads 147 900 132.30
    PMC Bronze 115 1150 132.25
    Prvi Partizan 115 1148 132.02
    Blazer 115 1145 131.68
    Blazer Brass 115 1145 131.68
    Rem. Express 115 1135 130.53
    Magtech 115 1135 130.53
    UMC 115 1135 130.53
    Federal Champ 115 1125 129.38

    *2000 Glock Armorer's manual
     
  16. 918v

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    My Glock 17L runs 115gr FMJ/1000 FPS handloads reliably with the factory 17lb spring. So why would a 19 need more power if it's slide is lighter?
     
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    I run my Glocks and SIGs on 124 gr. P+, whenever possible. No problems.
     
  19. Scimmia

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    You don't remember correctly. I've never seen PPU steel cases.
     
  20. Bovice

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    In all of my shooting, Remington UMC has never been a problem in terms of power. I don't know why everyone gives it a bad rap. This experience includes glock.

    This is a gun issue. You don't need hotter 9mm ammo, if it won't work with what's out there on the shelf, it isn't right and you should have glock make it perfect again.
     
  21. ljnowell

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    DannyR will NEVER admit an issue with a glock pistol. As a moderator I have seen him call people ignorant for complaining about an issue with a glock that was plainly a real problem. When the poster sent it to glock and they replaced THE WHOLE GUN he claimed they did it just to pacify the customer. He has no credibility in the reasonable world of firearms. The textbook definition of a Kool-Aid Kid.
     
  22. M1key

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    It has a heavier 18# spring.

    M
     
  23. M1key

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    Sounds like an ad hominem attack.

    The ammo specs speak for themselves.

    M
     
  24. ljnowell

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    You can call it what you want, I couldnt give a crap less. What I wrote is fact. I have been a member on GlockTalk long enough to see it.
     
  25. Plastikosmd

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    So your 17 will run the 'bad' ammo that the new guns won't? I have never known a glock to be so sensitive. I would look closer at the guns
     
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