Good lever action rifles?

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Hey guys. I go backpacking and hiking alot, and im looking for a compact, lightweight but powerful lever action rifle. I was looking into marlin rifles in 44 mag. Weighs about 7.5 lbs, 20"bbl and powerful .44 magnum. Any other suggestions?
 
Winchester M-94 Trapper carbine. Shorter 16" barrel available in same calibers as the Marlin. Weighs 6 lbs.
There is also the M-94 Timber Scout w/ 18" barrel available in .30-30 and .44 Mag.
Methinks you'll get more bang for the buck with a Marlin though.
 
EMF also makes a .44 mag rifle version of the 1892. You'll probably want to get it tuned by http://stevesgunz.com/SalesSG.htm first b/c the stock springs are too tight. You can also buy them driectly from "steves", already tuned and "race" ready (his clients are mainly CAS competitors).
The 1892 is supposed to be lighter and better handling that the Marlin (which is also a great rifle).
-David
 
Go with the Trapper.They are very reliable and nothing carries in your hand like a 94. Byron
 
If you can find a browning version of he 92 winchester, they feed a little better having been made for pistol length ctg's then have it cut down to trapper length.
 
If you can find a browning version of he 92 winchester, they feed a little better having been made for pistol length ctg's then have it cut down to trapper length.
Which is why I recommended stevesgunz version of the 1892. The 1894 is a great design, but its designed for longer cartridges (like the 30-30).
 
Guess what. The Winchester '94 reciever comes in two lengths. One length for .30-30 and such. The other length for pistol/revolver length cartridges. How do I know this? Put a .30-30 and a .44Mag carbine side by side. I have. If you get a Winchester '94 in .44Mag, it'll probably be fine, but like most other guns, it may need just a little tweaking to be what you like. First thing I'd recommend doing is change out the factory rear sight for a reciever-mounted aperture sight. Williams, IIRC, makes a Guide sight to fit it, as well as a 5D but you'll have to figure on a slightly taller front sight.
 
Hey guys. I go backpacking and hiking alot

I'm a long-time backpacker (most of the Applachian Trail, Horseshoe Trail and Warrior Trail in PA, Flint River in Georgia, Buffalo River in Arkansas, Ozark Highland Trail, among others.)

Weight it the backpacker's curse -- in ancient times, a man could supposedly carry 50 lbs (that's the "talent" in the bible -- 50 lbs of sliver). But slaves did it. In Viet Nam, I sometimes carried around 100 lbs -- but not for fun.

Thirty-five pounds, tops, will make your trip a LOT more enjoyable. A 6 lb rifle will eat up 17% of that weight, leaving you with 29 lbs for food, water, sleeping bag, pad, tarp, stove, etc., etc.

If I'm not hunting, I stick with an appropriate handgun -- for backpacking, a Colt Detective Special or a Ruger SP101 is about ideal.
 
Vern, Welcome Home. I was a grunt with the 4th Inf Div in 68-69. I understand the loads you mention. Byron
 
Fwiw...

I just got a little Rossi copy of the 1892 in 45 LC. With decent handloads or some of the aftermarket stuff it will exceed 44 mag performance. About the size/weight of a .22 lever

If your options permit, I'd agree with Vern and consider a handgun. 44 mag, 45 Colt, or 10mm (hot)
 
Another consideration is where you backpack, (what you want the gun for, like how big of animals), and how much the ammo weighs. With the ammo weight issue in mind, (and I've backpacked with a 44 rifle) I'd go with a 30-30 or a 357 in short barrel guns. Any or all can be used for small game with some light loads thrown in.

Most that talk of taking a long gun tend to want to take way too much ammo. 20 or 25 rounds total would be a plenty, even if you plan to shoot some small game for camp meat.

I'm with Vern on the pistol instead of a rifle unless you really need a rifle for something. A good K frame Smith, like a 4" 19 or 66 is relatively light, very accurate, and has some power if needed. Can also use light loads for camp meat.

In 30-30 caliber guns, the Winchester will weigh less. If going 357, the Marlin 1894 action is pretty good, tho the 94 winchester in 357 has a lot of followers.
 
One piece of advice should you decide to buy a Winchester Model 94, you have to lever the handle like you mean it ~ do it gently, or slowly, and it'll jam. Cycle it like you're in the midst of a gunfight and have only a fraction of a second to chamber a round and you'll be fine. I own two and love them. :)
 
Byron -- my first tour I was an adviser. That made for heavy loads, because you didn't want to trust the radio to a Viet Namese!

My second tour, in 68-69 I was a company commander in Northern I Corps. My brigade (1st Bde, 5th ID) was OPCON to the 3rd MarDiv, so I can wear both patches.

Nowadays, I try to keep it below 35 lbs -- since I don't have to do it for a living anymore. :p
 
If you plan on scoping your rifle, or putting an aftermarket ghost-ring sight on it, the Marlin is the better option, as it has a solid top, which lends itself to that sort of thing. Not to say you can't do it with a Winchester or a Rossi - but it's easier on the Marlin.

The Winchester is a fine gun, but I found on the ones I owned that dirt and dust could get into the action more easily than with the Marlin's solid top. If you plan on hiking in dirty or dusty areas, this is a factor to consider.

The Rossi (clone of the Winchester 92) is a very fine gun. I've handled one in .357 Magnum, and was impressed with its light weight and natural "pointability". You might want to check out Legacy Sports' Web site and see if there's a model that would suit you. Their prices are also competitive.
 
If you have to work the lever forcefully to keep a Win 94 from jamming, there is something wrong with the gun!

I've had about a dozen or more of them over the last 30 years and never ever had one that jammed no matter what I did with it. All mine were in 30-30 or 32 spl, but the action should work no matter how fast or slow it's cycled. I cycle mine slow all the time to clear the chamber or drop a single small game load in.

I have had Marlins jam so tightly the gun had to be taken apart with tools to clear it, and nothing was aparently wrong.

Ok, here we go again.

Most of the Winchesters (those made before the 1950's weren't D&T'ed)take a receiver sight as easily as any other gun (read marlin), and the angle eject guns are as easy to scope. I don't know why it would be hard to scope an angle eject gun. They are "made to scope". Some of the aftermarket receiver sights mount on the top rear scope base holes, but I prefer the side mounted receiver sights for any of them.

I've never had any crud get in a Winchester action because it has an "open top" (which is closed when the action is closed), and have'nt heard of anyone having trouble with crud getting in any other "open top" or "top eject" gun like almost all bolt actions, the M1 garand, M1-A, Mini-14, Savage 99, or any other gun that opens on the top when the action is opened. Most of the "open top" bolt actions aren't hard to scope either.

BTW, Marlin didn't design the side eject for scope use. It was a side eject long before scopes were common. I believe it was more of a marketing manuoever than anything (the early Marlins were top eject). Their marketing strategy to critisize the "open top" or "top eject" Winchesters for some reason still has people talking about it, but I've never actually heard of it being a real, true life problem for anyone. For that matter, with the action closed, the Marlin 1895's I 've owned and seen, have more gap along the bolt for crud to get into than the Winchester action.

This is my experience after fooling around with both Marlins and Winchesters for about 30 years.

Sorry to get worked up, but I'm a bit baffled to see misconceptions on the differences between the different makes.

Someone mentioned the Marline side eject being for safety. I agree this was an issue with the early model Winchesters, and can see the merit in this compared to the 1866, 1873, and 1876 model Winchesters, but the later guns, those designed by John Browning, don't seem likely to have gas problems if a primer or case had problems. They vent upwards, but have gas vents that angle upwards.

I really didn't intend to make it an "either or" type discussion, but in discussing the different makes or models, lets keep the discussion accurate as to comparing different types or makes.

I agree that the 92 win type action seems more appropriate for pistol sized rounds than the 94 wion action, but there seems to be a lot of people that like their 94's in pistol sized rounds. I like the Marlin 94 action for pistol size rounds beter than the 94 Win for that purpose. The bottom line, try several if you can before making a decision. Or better yet, buy several and enjoy them all.
 
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Actually, the Marlin 'solid top' was advertised as a safety feature....

As the open top of the Winchester will allow the gasses from a ruptured case into the firer's face more easily than the Marlin. ;)

As for the '94 vs the '92 argument....

Why put up with the rattly extended action of the '94 when you want a pistol-length cartridge anyway? :confused:

The '94 was designed for rifle length cartridges and then 'counter-designed' for handgun length.

The '92 Winchester and the Marlin '94 are the logical choices for a .44 magnum lever action.
 
My 1892 action (EMF/Rossi) is shorter, lighter than my '94 which was designed for rifle lenght cartridges like the .38-55. At equal lengths the 1892 is more than 1/2 pound lighter.

As much as I love my .45 Colts the .357mag would probably be a better choice. Still has the umph, shoots flatter inside its effective range and the ammo weighs less.

So, EMF 1892 Trapper in .357mag... :cool:

(and if you buy it from stevesgunz.com he'll have it tuned race ready!)
 
If you really do a lot of hiking, you might end up leaving the rifle at home and packing a pistol in it's place. After a few backpacking trips with a rifle that weighs more as the day goes on, you might just end up not packing a gun at all but leaving it in the truck. That's just my experience.
 
If you really do a lot of hiking, you might end up leaving the rifle at home and packing a pistol in it's place. After a few backpacking trips with a rifle that weighs more as the day goes on, you might just end up not packing a gun at all but leaving it in the truck. That's just my experience

And very good experience it is -- I carry a rifle when hunting, a handgun when simply day-hiking, and the smallest gun I can find (or no gun at all) when backpacking in rugged country.

Start down a mountain or ridge side so steep that your toes are bruised against the ends of your boots, then grunt you way up the next ridge. Do that five times in one day, and you'll curse every extra ounce.
 
Sorry, rdnzl....

I was just funnin'. ;)

My first lever action was a Marlin 336-T in .44 Magnum. This was before the 1894 Marlin was reintroduced and it used the standard 336 action "adjusted" for the handdgun-length cartridge.

While it worked (most of the time), I never got used to the little sheet steel 'flap' that raised with the lifter to keep the short round from dropping out of the port. :eek:

Winchester did a better job than that with their adaptation of the '94 to handgun length calibers. :)

All lever guns are fun.
 
I do quite a bit of backpacking and my typical carry weight tends more toward 18-22 lbs for a 3-day weekend trip. That's before I strap on a Glock 29 10mm. And as small as the little Glock is, I still grumble at it from time to time for being so "heavy". Glad I have it, mind you, but sometimes I wish I had a Smith 340PD in .357 Mag...15 oz (I think) fully loaded. Absolutely no way I'd carry a lever gun when I'm hiking 15-20 miles a day.
 
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