Hey guys I'm 20 and I eventually want to move out of california. I was looking for a place not too far away from SoCal because I want to be close to family. I want a place where you can go in, buy a gun and walk out with it in under 30 mins in other words really good gun laws. Has to be a rural area where I don't have to go to a range because I live it a great area in CA where I can shoot in my back yard and I'm used to it. I heard northern az is a good place with pretty easy gun laws.
Good place to move?
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AlexanderA
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It would be a mistake to base your calculation on where to live solely on gun laws. There's a lot that goes into the mix, including the job situation, the cost of living, the crime scene in general, etc. If you're interested in guns, you can probably eliminate several places right off the bat, including California, Illinois, New Jersey, etc. But then you still have the majority of the country to choose from. Get a good education first so that your employment prospects are maximized.
montanaoffroader
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Pretty much any of the states around CA are better as far as firearms are concerned. I bailed out of Humboldt County in the 90's before things got really out of hand, so I missed the worst of it.
If I had to leave Montana for some reason, southern Oregon would be my next choice.
If I had to leave Montana for some reason, southern Oregon would be my next choice.
medalguy
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I like New Mexico, good climate, easy laws both gun and otherwise, reasonable cost of living, job situation so-so right now depending on your qualifications. Good hunting and fishing around here too.
You gotta go where there is work, AND freedom. You can't enjoy freedom without work, and you can't enjoy an honest days work without enjoying the reward and freedoms that come with the money.
I always seem to end up back in Missouri. We also have great gun laws...we're allowed whatever we want. Open carry is allowed outside of city limits everywhere that I know of. Land is reasonable, and there are some major industries here.. we enjoy two large cities, and many top notch educational institutions.
The cost of living is reasonable.. food and gas are cheaper than most anywhere else in the country due to being at the center of farming and oil refining/distribution.
The wages are good. You have the "city" life, if you want it (I don't).. but you can escape to a completely rural area in less than an hour.
Traffic is much more reasonable than any of the other big-player cities that I have lived in or visited, in Saint Louis.
I live about 30 or so miles south of Saint Louis City limits. Plenty of woods around here, and I seldom need to head to the city.
Just about anybody can get a CCW here. NFA items are open game. BIG hunting and outdoor culture here, too. We enjoy a THRIVING deer population.
I always seem to end up back in Missouri. We also have great gun laws...we're allowed whatever we want. Open carry is allowed outside of city limits everywhere that I know of. Land is reasonable, and there are some major industries here.. we enjoy two large cities, and many top notch educational institutions.
The cost of living is reasonable.. food and gas are cheaper than most anywhere else in the country due to being at the center of farming and oil refining/distribution.
The wages are good. You have the "city" life, if you want it (I don't).. but you can escape to a completely rural area in less than an hour.
Traffic is much more reasonable than any of the other big-player cities that I have lived in or visited, in Saint Louis.
I live about 30 or so miles south of Saint Louis City limits. Plenty of woods around here, and I seldom need to head to the city.
Just about anybody can get a CCW here. NFA items are open game. BIG hunting and outdoor culture here, too. We enjoy a THRIVING deer population.
mljdeckard
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I actually grew up in Virgin. There is a city law that says every household must have a firearm.
I have hunted in the Blanding area a lot too.
UT and AZ are in competition for the worst marks from the Brady bunch. Most of Nevada is great too, I just have a bad taste in my mouth from them because they dropped reciprocity for Utah carry permits. I have found Oregon is a curious mix of conservative and liberal folks who all seek to be left alone.
But yes, the attitude of the bay area of California has imposed itself upon the rest of the state. I was there on orders for over a year, and I couldn't wait to leave.
I have hunted in the Blanding area a lot too.
UT and AZ are in competition for the worst marks from the Brady bunch. Most of Nevada is great too, I just have a bad taste in my mouth from them because they dropped reciprocity for Utah carry permits. I have found Oregon is a curious mix of conservative and liberal folks who all seek to be left alone.
But yes, the attitude of the bay area of California has imposed itself upon the rest of the state. I was there on orders for over a year, and I couldn't wait to leave.
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Blanding is a nice town on a whole bunch of levels, although you'd better like living in a small town. I like Monticello, too.
If you drink alcohol, Blanding's not a good choice (unless they changed the law in the last 15 years and I didn't notice).
We moved to AL in 2010, and it's a great state, but my first choice would be UT.
If you drink alcohol, Blanding's not a good choice (unless they changed the law in the last 15 years and I didn't notice).
We moved to AL in 2010, and it's a great state, but my first choice would be UT.
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Oh, just the OP who wants to be able to visit his family from time to time. The difference is about 5 hours of driving. If he's really considering moving, that kind of information might help.Who wants that,Jorg?
ALASKA!!!!!!
I'm truely going to miss the freedom of Alaska when I move, but not the long winters.
If you can buy a gun, you can carry a gun. It's that simple, no classes, no permits, NOTHING!!!!
And it's far away from crazy California, but still only a days travel by air. Not much more time than a day in the car from Idaho or Utah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Alaska
Gun laws in Alaska
Alaska was the first state to adopt carry laws modeled after Vermont's (normally referred to as "Vermont Carry"), in which no license is required to carry a handgun either openly or concealed. However, permits are still issued to residents for purposes such as reciprocity with other states[1] and exemption from the Federal Gun Free School Zone Act.[2] The term "Alaska Carry" has been used to describe laws which require no license to carry handguns openly or concealed but licenses are still available for those who want them. Some city ordinances do not permit concealed carry without a concealed carry license, but these have been invalidated by the recent state preemption statute.[3]
Alaska restricts people from carrying guns in any place regulated by the liquor control board (bars and liquor stores, and restaurants that serve alcohol only with carry permit), schools, domestic violence shelters, courts, and correctional institutions. A person carrying a concealed gun in Alaska, when contacted by a police officer is required by law to inform the officer they are carrying and cooperate if the officer chooses to temporarily seize the gun for the length of the encounter. The possession of any firearm while intoxicated is illegal.
I'm truely going to miss the freedom of Alaska when I move, but not the long winters.
If you can buy a gun, you can carry a gun. It's that simple, no classes, no permits, NOTHING!!!!
And it's far away from crazy California, but still only a days travel by air. Not much more time than a day in the car from Idaho or Utah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Alaska
Gun laws in Alaska
Alaska was the first state to adopt carry laws modeled after Vermont's (normally referred to as "Vermont Carry"), in which no license is required to carry a handgun either openly or concealed. However, permits are still issued to residents for purposes such as reciprocity with other states[1] and exemption from the Federal Gun Free School Zone Act.[2] The term "Alaska Carry" has been used to describe laws which require no license to carry handguns openly or concealed but licenses are still available for those who want them. Some city ordinances do not permit concealed carry without a concealed carry license, but these have been invalidated by the recent state preemption statute.[3]
Alaska restricts people from carrying guns in any place regulated by the liquor control board (bars and liquor stores, and restaurants that serve alcohol only with carry permit), schools, domestic violence shelters, courts, and correctional institutions. A person carrying a concealed gun in Alaska, when contacted by a police officer is required by law to inform the officer they are carrying and cooperate if the officer chooses to temporarily seize the gun for the length of the encounter. The possession of any firearm while intoxicated is illegal.
Check out the Inland Empire in the PNW (Spokane, Coeur d'Alene, Sandpoint, TriCities, etc.) Washington is a shall issue state for permits, $55 bucks and its yours. Cops are civilian gun friendly mostly - in fact, some dude in Spokane shot through his door at someone banging on it without looking and didn't even lose his firearm - the target ran off and disappeared.
The factors you want to evaluate are:
1. Oil availability. This area is close enough to the Kearny Oil Sands so that it will benefit from its proximity. If you do not believe in Peak Oil, please begin to visit theoildrum.com, and at least read the drumbeat and the comments on its articles - and learn about how important it is to be ready for Peak Oil. Ammunition will be PRICELESS when collapse begins to take hold. You can't shoot gold, or eat it either.
2. Water availability. The region has nearby the deepest lakes in North America (Pend Orielle and Flathead in Montana), and these lakes are still mostly potable. The watershed is everlasting, and will survive mostly any coming global warming.
3. Cost of living is low. A decent home is still $80K. Locally grown food can be bought, and gardens can be kept. As the economy continues to contract and Oil availability limits shipping and mass agriculture - you'll want to be close to where the food is - the Palouse is the world's best grain source.
4. Weather is nice - the sun shines most of the summer and air conditioning is not mandatory (but nice to have), but the winters are cold - fortunately there's plenty of wood to burn. I buy my wood for $175/cord split. Air conditioning is not necessary except in poorly ventilated homes. But stick in-out fans on your windows and the cooler nights will help for a livable day when it's in the 90s. Summers are perfect, and the big lakes are cold (and swimmable) so camping is like being besides a giant air conditioner.
5. Economy is resilient - people around are never rich, never worse.
I could go on and on ... but remember, there's a reason Randy Weaver chose Ruby Ridge! It's important, however, that you recognize that the world order is coming to and end due to looming oil shortages. Don't listen to the idiots who claim there's plenty of oil and how we're exporting, such, educate yourself, and know their lies. We are running out, and we're running out right now. Oil has now overcome the $100/bbl price ON AVERAGE over an entire year. Remember that the price/bbl was $35 at worst during Clinton's time. IT NOW COSTS 4-5X AS MUCH TO RECONSTRUCT ANYTHING AS IT ONCE DID and THERE'S NO MONEY IN THE WORLD TO DO IT WITH!
The factors you want to evaluate are:
1. Oil availability. This area is close enough to the Kearny Oil Sands so that it will benefit from its proximity. If you do not believe in Peak Oil, please begin to visit theoildrum.com, and at least read the drumbeat and the comments on its articles - and learn about how important it is to be ready for Peak Oil. Ammunition will be PRICELESS when collapse begins to take hold. You can't shoot gold, or eat it either.
2. Water availability. The region has nearby the deepest lakes in North America (Pend Orielle and Flathead in Montana), and these lakes are still mostly potable. The watershed is everlasting, and will survive mostly any coming global warming.
3. Cost of living is low. A decent home is still $80K. Locally grown food can be bought, and gardens can be kept. As the economy continues to contract and Oil availability limits shipping and mass agriculture - you'll want to be close to where the food is - the Palouse is the world's best grain source.
4. Weather is nice - the sun shines most of the summer and air conditioning is not mandatory (but nice to have), but the winters are cold - fortunately there's plenty of wood to burn. I buy my wood for $175/cord split. Air conditioning is not necessary except in poorly ventilated homes. But stick in-out fans on your windows and the cooler nights will help for a livable day when it's in the 90s. Summers are perfect, and the big lakes are cold (and swimmable) so camping is like being besides a giant air conditioner.
5. Economy is resilient - people around are never rich, never worse.
I could go on and on ... but remember, there's a reason Randy Weaver chose Ruby Ridge! It's important, however, that you recognize that the world order is coming to and end due to looming oil shortages. Don't listen to the idiots who claim there's plenty of oil and how we're exporting, such, educate yourself, and know their lies. We are running out, and we're running out right now. Oil has now overcome the $100/bbl price ON AVERAGE over an entire year. Remember that the price/bbl was $35 at worst during Clinton's time. IT NOW COSTS 4-5X AS MUCH TO RECONSTRUCT ANYTHING AS IT ONCE DID and THERE'S NO MONEY IN THE WORLD TO DO IT WITH!
RBS
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I lived at Hill AFB, which is in Layton, UT, and I really liked it. I was a member of the Wasatch Shooter's Association while I lived there and met some good folks. Gun prices where good there also. I don't know about the job climate in that area now. I still have friends there and it was my second choice at retirement.
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Move slow and carefully on the northern Arizona option. There's a steady stream of auction acreage up there from folk who jumped too quickly on the relatively inexpensive land only to find 5,000 foot wells that rendered no water, a distinct lack of income potential, vast distances to the basics like fuel and bread and being surrounded by desert dwellers of dubious intent.
Now, if you already have an income stream lined up, what the hey, buy a little nicer and safer. Keep in mind that Flagstaff is a haven of California and East Coast minded weirdos.
Now, if you already have an income stream lined up, what the hey, buy a little nicer and safer. Keep in mind that Flagstaff is a haven of California and East Coast minded weirdos.
hermannr
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Depending on what you like for weather, Oregon, Washington and Idaho will pretty much cover it somewhere. Inexpensive to live? Well that that depends on if you live near a large city (Seattle, Protland, Boise) or out a ways...and depends what kind of work you are looking for.
Where I live (Okanogan County WA) we are about as free with firearms as comes, but high paying jobs are not readily available (unless you own your own)
You could think of Tele-commuting. I know several people that work for large companies....like one case, the guy works for Chevron, goes to the "office" in SoCal about once a month...get's the big city wage, but lives with us country folk in the low rent district... like 10+ acres, 1800+ sq ft 3 bedroom house, detached shop/garage, machine shed and several other out buildings...$110K We have $1M properties here too, but they usually have a LOT of land attached....(hundreds if not thousands of acres)
Where I live (Okanogan County WA) we are about as free with firearms as comes, but high paying jobs are not readily available (unless you own your own)
You could think of Tele-commuting. I know several people that work for large companies....like one case, the guy works for Chevron, goes to the "office" in SoCal about once a month...get's the big city wage, but lives with us country folk in the low rent district... like 10+ acres, 1800+ sq ft 3 bedroom house, detached shop/garage, machine shed and several other out buildings...$110K We have $1M properties here too, but they usually have a LOT of land attached....(hundreds if not thousands of acres)
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As others have said. Think about what you want to do with your life first. You can have the best gun laws around but if you can't afford a gun cause you have no money? Not worth it.
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Texas got my vote when the time came. Decent job market, reasonable housing, TEX-Mex and UT (Need I say more?) Cl 3 yep, CCW yep, Open carry nope (not that it bothers me) Privat party sales all the time. Round trip ticket from Austin to LAX can be had for about $400ish.
Just don't tell em your from Cali
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Texas got my vote when the time came. Decent job market, reasonable housing, TEX-Mex and UT (Need I say more?) Cl 3 yep, CCW yep, Open carry nope (not that it bothers me) Privat party sales all the time. Round trip ticket from Austin to LAX can be had for about $400ish.
Just don't tell em your from Cali
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Darn gubmint needs to stay outa our homes! Dang regulations...
Isaac-1
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Check out AZ, I recently spent a week in Phoenix on a business trip and was VERY IMPRESSED by the city overall. Of course it gets HOT there in the summer.
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Don't know where you got that. Our CCW has one of two endorsments on it (actuly its one or two. Eather has the NSA or NSA and SA)
NSA= Non semi auto. Meaning you chose to shoot the qualification with a revolver and are limited to carring only a revolver.
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SA= Semi Auto. Meaning you chose to shot the qualificaton with an auto gun and can carry both a Auto or Revolver.
No spicific gun listed on the card. No registration requierd that I know of.
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Arizona is much more "gun friendly" than California, even having Vermont-like "constitutional carry" now. But, at least in the Phoenix area where I was, it has a number of disadvantages, high taxes, car insurance and crime being a few. The "Dixie" region of southern Utah (St. George/Cedar City) is very scenic, but I never really checked it out, just passed through. Southern Nevada (Vegas/Clark Co.) is not as "gun friendly" as you might think.
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Alaska is great but beware of sticker shock. Cost of living is vary high.
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