Goodyear Tires and legal concealed carry

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On a pro gun website, to openly post what most would construe as anti-gun sentiments does, I believe, stand out as, at the very least, questionable.

This is not a First Amendment debating website, this is a group of people decidedly pro-gun. Posting what most would call anti-2A sentiments here is never a good idea, although we're all big fans of the First Amendment.

Oh, and to stay on topic:

I'm all ready to send the email to Goodyear as well, and I do use their products, but I'm concerned if this is really the company's policy, or just the thoughts of some low level dude in Public Relations.

Anyone have more than a letter from a PR guy?

And by the way, these boycotts have had impact in the past, so to say that we're wasting our time again shows little knowledge of the subject. We have seen companies change policy because of these campaigns.
 
I'm really really really tired of people invoking the 1st amendment when someone disagrees with them.

The 1st amendment says:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press [...]
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Note the distinct lack of a provision for "shall not disagree with", "shall not make the person feel bad by criticizing them", "shall not ridicule", or "shall not abridge the freedom to post on a privately internet forums".

Note also that the entity restricted is Congress, which to my knowledge does not post on internet forums, and that the act restricted is making law, which can not occur on internet forums (thank god)

I guess to some degree that response is conditioned, after all when a politician says something retarded or outrageous the first response by the apologists is to invoke the first amendment. But the reason they do that is not because it's a legitimate argument, it's because they want to put the person condemning them on the defensive. It's a great tactic as long as you're only trying to convince people who are dumb enough to get their news from Hannity & Colmes in the first place. But it does not fly here, because I will call you on it.
 
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I just wonder, when this becomes popularly known, how long it will take for this exchange to happen.

Unassuming Customer: So no one can have any weapons in here?
Clerk: That's right, sir. We don't allow concealed carried weapons in the store at any time.
UC: Well that's a relief. *pulls out his concealed very illegal firearm and sticks it in the clerk's face* Now give me the f***ing cash mother-f***er! Now!

I'm sure that sounds a bit paranoid, but I can easily see that happening a bit more often in a place where criminals know that there won't be any law-abiding citizens that are armed enough to stand up to them. *sighs* But most of the people who make these policies don't really look past the end of their nose. Their right in their store I suppose. I just believe it's rather foolish and doesn't obey true logic.
 
Andrew: But private homes are not retail establishments, whereas Goodyear's store is a retail establishment, open to the public! THAT'S THE POINT! How would you feel if Goodyear put a sign on its door: "No Italians!" How about if they put a sign saying: "No Black People!" Youy'd be calling for their Goodyear's neck in a sling! Why? Due to the Bill of Rights! You'd say: "Goodyear can't do that!" Exactly! Well take a look at Amendment 2 of that Bill of Rights! Then you'll understand why so many on this thread are pissed at Goodyear!
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I have read the Second Amendment thank you. Apparently I interpret it differently than you. Thats fine. Apparently your opinions differ on a storeowners rights as well. Thats fine too.

Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that Andrew S doesn't own a firearm, and found this place through a link at his favorite online forum DU, or something similar.

His arguments sound vaguely familiar........
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Sorry to disappoint but I do own firearms. I am also sorry I remind you of someone. I assure you this is my first and only name on this or any other firearm message board. Thanks for making judgments on my character based off one of my opinions though.

I haven't given up on the idea that 95% of people can be good. I'm just not really ready to trust my life, and the lives of my loved onees, to the idea that the last 5% will be good.

For that, I am not in the least bit sorry.
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I can understand that. Thats why I would want CCW myself. But it seems you are suspect of everyone the way you described the possible theft of your handgun. And just like I wouldnt go to a place that I felt was dangerous I wouldnt go to a store I couldnt trust the employees of.

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is really the company's policy, or just the thoughts of some low level dude in Public Relations.
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The statement went out over the signature of:

Ed Markey (email: [email protected])
VP, PR and Communications
North American Tire

Yup, low level vice-president who wouldn't have a clue of what company policy is on the matter.
 
This ain't much of a board if we can't tolerate Andrew S's opinion. I recall that there's a first amendment that comes before the second. Some informed, logical debate seems in order rather than just dismissing him and saying he won't be around here much longer. Better to educate than discriminate, no?

Yes, Andrew S, Goodyear is privately owned and has the right to set policy. Likewise, consumers have the right to take their business elsewhere if they so choose. As for the effectiveness of such boycotts, you'd be surprised. I recall Lowe's backtracking recently about a similar policy based on the reactions from the gun-toting community.

And yes, the constitution tends to be organic and subject to interpretation, but this doesn't mean that just anybody can make up just any interpretation that he/she likes and live by it. You might take a look at the more recent, important interpretations regarding the 2nd amendment in federal courts.

Just the fact that so many states have explicitly allowed concealed carry tends to weaken your argument about the "vagueness" of the Constitution. 35 of 50 states are "shall issue" states. Concealed carry is the law of a majority of the land, and SCOTUS hasn't made any head nods toward negating such state laws on the basis of a contradictory Constitutional interpretation.

As for trust, I'm with Andrew Rothman. I think most human beings are pretty good. As one friend says, you put an awful lot of faith in your fellow man every time you venture onto an Interstate. But my parents taught me to expect the best out of people but be prepared for the worst. Concealed carry (like defensive driving) is just part of being prepared for the worst.

On a different note, I wonder about the reliability of the source still. "submitted by an MCRGO activist and supporter" doesn't tell me a whole lot. Might as well put "submitted by Anonymous." I'd like to hear this policy reiterated or confirmed by someone in-company at Goodyear.
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Thanks for that first part. I was beginning to think this wasnt the board for me if I couldnt express my opinions here.

Like I have said, I am just surprised of the reactions here. I am not opposed to people taking their business elsewhere. I just didnt expect people to try and rally against them for this or for people to tell others not to shop there because of it. Seems like a lot of fuss over something that I see to be so simple. Sure you might get them to change their policy but thats not what I meant about the effectiveness of the boycott. I was speaking about Hawkmoon's statement on the government restricting the 2nd Amendment. It just seems like the wrong venue. But since you talk about the effectiveness again Goodyear would you really go back to shopping there after you got something like this overturned? It seems you all are fighting the idea moreso than the actual restriction. If it were as simple as the restriction you would just shop elsewhere.
 
It's great that so many members are sending e-mails to Goodyear. What also needs to happen is that we should send e-mails to their competitors letting them know why we will buy tires from them instead.
 
Not As They Appear

I try not to pigeonhole anyone. Use to be guilty of that, but the population is more fragmented than ever..no longer as simple as hippies and red necks!:O) Conservative in some areas of life..liberal in others.

A happy medium and a cold Shiner Bock..

Take Care
 
Just FYI, I tried to CC the other names listed earlier in the thread using the same "first-initial-last-name" format of Mr. Markey, and all those messages came back.
 
Kurush, my point about the 1st Amendment was that Andrew S ought to be able to speak his mind on here and get a fair shake as long as he's not violating any of the board rules. *He* didn't bring up the 1st. I did.

FWIW, I don't think he's a troll.

Andrew S, I think that every battle line matters. If this policy is legit and if boycotters can get it changed, well then I think that helps lend weight to concealed-carry laws everywhere.

Actually, policies like these involve fights where consumers *can* elicit a pretty immediate reaction (Lowe's, for example, regarding anti-gun material on their website). Similar kinds of pressure from the gun-grabbers have effected their tolls on retailers regarding whether they sell firearms-related products (see K-Mart, for example). On the concealed-carry front, I think that boycotts help retailers realize that there is a segment of the consuming populace who genuinely care about the carry rights that their state laws provide.

Sometimes, such policy measures are brainchilds (brainchildren?) of corporate types far removed from the consumer's mentality. I think it's a good thing to remind them where some of us stand.

If someone can confirm that this is indeed a Goodyear policy, I'll be the next to voice my opinion to them.
 
No I am not trolling. I am just sharing my opinion on the subject just as everyone else.

And Guyon I can certainly understand what you just said. If I shared the strong belief I guess I would do the same.
 
I'd Like To See The Source

But can't find zip on the web. Need to send it to some condo friends..but there's nada via Google.

Is there a press release...some written store policy? Not that they'd be obliged to share that with Anyone.

Take Care
 
Sad to report, Bridgestne/Firestone also posts, at least here in Akron, Oh.
And at the plants, too. Company stores in other locations may be diferent.
Your mileage may vary.
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Well winter is coming and once again it's snowtire season.

I suggest that everyone of us who buys any tires, that's ANY tires, no matter if it's just one or an entire set, for your snowmobile trailer or your SUV, photocopy the receipt and send it to Goodyear with a note saying that you would have made the purchase from them but since they choose to circumvent both your Constitutionally affirmed rights as well as your state granted rights you have chosen to spend your money elsewere.

It wouldn't take very many people doing that to show Goodyear, in black & white, just how many thousands of dollars that decision will cost them.
 
I work for an independant Goodyear dealer. I've searched for this or any other information on this subject and have come up with nothing. Since ccw is not 'legal' in Ks. on or off duty LEO's are welcome to carry in my store, in fact very much encouraged. Just don't ask me if I am, but most of the LEO's in the area know I will be if I show up to a building alarm at oh dark thirty.
 
I'm grateful to Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company for letting customers know that its stores are violent places staffed by violent employees. I'm sorry it's true but since it is true it's good that management isn't hiding it. My wife and I have bought Goodyear tires for years. We didn't know that places selling Goodyear tires were so violent. Now that we know, we won't expose ourselves to danger just to buy tires.

I've sent Mr. Markey an e-mail thanking him for letting us know how dangerous it is to enter a Goodyear store and that Goodyear's employees are potentially homicidal. I've explained that we don't have much confidence that violent people will honor those signs so we will wait until we see real evidence that Goodyear is getting its problems under control. Before we enter a Goodyear store from now on we want to see armed security guards searching everyone who enters, and also one of those machines that looks into purses, briefcases, luggage, and bags--the kind you see at airports--at every entrance. I'm concerned about the people who might sneak nail files, knives, scissors, improvised explosive devices, and other kinds of weapons into Goodyear stores. I also want background checks of all Goodyear employees since Goodyear has revealed that they're dangerous.
 
Still amazes me how many folks have fired off judgmental emails without confirming the information at the source.

Only an inquiry about policy seems appropriate at this point. Perhaps a gentle reminder that business will go elsewhere *if indeed* this policy is real.
 
Guyon

Right you are. Correct Intel is essential. I'll be aiming an e-mail their way..only After I've confirmed the target is legit.

To do otherwise IS..in your words..amazing.

Take Care
 
Posted by Andrew S:

Having someone with a firearm in store automatically escalates the situation and increases the chance that someone will get hurt if there is a robbery or some other disturbance.


That statement sounds like something the Brady Bunch would say.Don't they say the streets are going to turn into the wild west and gun battles will ensue after minor accidents whenever a state passes a concealed carry bill?

I find that statement irritating,at best.


Back to topic-I do agree that businesses have the right to make their own policies and we as consumers have the right to try and change those policies.

I talked to my Goodyear salesman (I sell tires-all kinds) and he didn't know anything about this.The Goodyear store I deal with has nothing posted and they don't care who has what as long as you are not a threat.I did send an e-mail-awaiting a responce.


If this policy does result in the reduction of violence,I think we need to pressure all the banks to put up "No Bank Robbers Allowed" signs-there have been several bank robberies in the last few months. :evil:
 
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