got an illegal (LEO) mag on the internet-what to do?
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Frohickey
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This is what I love about TFL/THR
This is what I love about TFL/THR. We get into philosophical discussions starting from a consumer transaction on a misrepresented item. It then goes on to what the legal ramifications if this type of transaction were concluded.
I think that Peter Gunn should:
a) keep the magazine, disassemble it, and use the spring/follower/base plate for something else. The mag body with the LE only is now just a mag body, and not a magazine.
b) send the magazine with a note to the seller, giving the seller the option of reversing the charges after 3 days.
c) call up PayPal and reverse the charges immediately. This is the reason you pay PayPal extra. Use it.
d) do a writeup on your experience with the seller, with a very strong recommendation against dealing with the seller in the future. Sanitize the writeup, saying that it was a clear misrepresentation of the product, and non-responsiveness for resolution. Don't need to get into the LE only details. If the seller will do the same thing with a LE-only mag, the seller will do it for something smaller.
As to the following discussions about the unconstitutionality of the laws pertaining to this object, and treason and murder of government officials. (wildalaska/444), I think that treason and public hanging involves due process. Last I looked, government executions had due process, and its not called murder. It might be called killing, but it not murder.
And finally, one final comment.
"We are our own worse enemy."
This is what I love about TFL/THR. We get into philosophical discussions starting from a consumer transaction on a misrepresented item. It then goes on to what the legal ramifications if this type of transaction were concluded.
I think that Peter Gunn should:
a) keep the magazine, disassemble it, and use the spring/follower/base plate for something else. The mag body with the LE only is now just a mag body, and not a magazine.
b) send the magazine with a note to the seller, giving the seller the option of reversing the charges after 3 days.
c) call up PayPal and reverse the charges immediately. This is the reason you pay PayPal extra. Use it.
d) do a writeup on your experience with the seller, with a very strong recommendation against dealing with the seller in the future. Sanitize the writeup, saying that it was a clear misrepresentation of the product, and non-responsiveness for resolution. Don't need to get into the LE only details. If the seller will do the same thing with a LE-only mag, the seller will do it for something smaller.
As to the following discussions about the unconstitutionality of the laws pertaining to this object, and treason and murder of government officials. (wildalaska/444), I think that treason and public hanging involves due process. Last I looked, government executions had due process, and its not called murder. It might be called killing, but it not murder.
And finally, one final comment.
"We are our own worse enemy."
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labgrade
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Good deal. 
4 or 5 pages into a discussion over a possible seller of an illegitimate piece of metal. No bullets, no gun, mind you. A piece of metal.
& here we are in heated discourse.
Those in the "just enforce the laws"-crowd do totally blow my mind.
Do y'all truly believe that somebody should go to jail for a felony rap for the mere possession, or "illegal selling" of a piece of metal based soley that a bunch of a$$holes who you wouldn't even allow to do your taxes said it should be so?
Regardless of what is said to be law, will you accept it just because someone says it to be so?
4 or 5 pages into a discussion over a possible seller of an illegitimate piece of metal. No bullets, no gun, mind you. A piece of metal.
& here we are in heated discourse.
Those in the "just enforce the laws"-crowd do totally blow my mind.
Do y'all truly believe that somebody should go to jail for a felony rap for the mere possession, or "illegal selling" of a piece of metal based soley that a bunch of a$$holes who you wouldn't even allow to do your taxes said it should be so?
Regardless of what is said to be law, will you accept it just because someone says it to be so?
Justin Moore
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lab, its all good man, as long as certain 'contributors' to this thread get to keep their skeet guns and still engage in 'sporting
purposes'
Don't cha know that nobody NEEDS normal capacity mags anyway? What would you NEED those evil devices for? They
just give us law abiding duck hunters a bad name
Hell man, I support the the Right To Keep and Bear Arms that
are Suited to Hunt Ducks/Shoot Clays. If these 'radicals' don't shut up, the gubment might take away all my nice O/U's and
i'll lose my 'right' to blow clay birds out of the air.
-----sarcasm mode OFF----
Zander
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to satisfy a warped view of the constitution?
Gun control "laws" , solely a malum prohibitum phenomenon, are an abomination and antithetical to the clear intent of our Constitution.
The sophistry used to dominate and threaten American citizens by the sort of intimidation exercised by the BATF(E) cannot be condoned by anyone who pretends to believe in the sanctity of our inherent Rights.
Are you familiar with the distinction between malum in se and malum prohibitum?
Gun control "laws" , solely a malum prohibitum phenomenon, are an abomination and antithetical to the clear intent of our Constitution.
The sophistry used to dominate and threaten American citizens by the sort of intimidation exercised by the BATF(E) cannot be condoned by anyone who pretends to believe in the sanctity of our inherent Rights.
Justin Moore
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Just like you have to blindly accept every other law if you like it or not. We have laws that MUST be obeyed if you want to or if you don't. If you don't like it, you could move elsewhere.
Of course we have laws which must be obeyed. Proscriptions against murder, rape, assault, etc. Important things. Leftist-Extremist Gun-Grabber rulings, otoh, are not laws which must be obeyed. They are decrees which must be carefully and wisely circumvented and ignored anytime the option presents itself.
Move elsewhere? Why in the world would I abandon a fine nation to weaklings who follow every dictate of the self-appointed Elites and those Elites themselves? Better to fix things and then let the Sheep follow me.
Of course we have laws which must be obeyed. Proscriptions against murder, rape, assault, etc. Important things. Leftist-Extremist Gun-Grabber rulings, otoh, are not laws which must be obeyed. They are decrees which must be carefully and wisely circumvented and ignored anytime the option presents itself.
Move elsewhere? Why in the world would I abandon a fine nation to weaklings who follow every dictate of the self-appointed Elites and those Elites themselves? Better to fix things and then let the Sheep follow me.
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