Got my hands on the new .45 from Kahr.

[epijunkie67]

Was at my local gunstore two days ago and they had just gotten in the new polymer framed .45 from Kahr. Wow. I'm loving the way it feels. I have the PM9 as a regular carry piece and have been looking forward to the .45 coming out. 18 oz, single stack and super thin it fits my small hand great. I've been wanting to upgrade to a .45 for CCW and bought a Para LDA but have had too many reliability issues to fully trust it for full time carry.

Looks like I may have found the answer.

 

[albanian]

Got a pic?

 

[epijunkie67]

http://www.kahr.com/new_kp4543.html

 

[one45auto]

Man, that's one ugly gun.

 

[ulflyer]

With a Poly Barrel, I guess it will be like a Glock in that you shouldn't shoot lead reloads thru it. That will leave me out. Otherwise, good looking like all the Kahrs.

 

[PCRCCW]

One ugly gun??????? Man, I dont think so. Ill see how they are for reliability/function and go from there.....I think its gonna sell like hotcakes.
This is the gun alot of Kahr fans have been yelling for, for a long time.
Shoot well.

 

[made2cut]

I'm certainly interested in getting one. I do wish it had a higher capacity but of course that is a trade off for a nice narrow gun for comfy carry. I'm kind of waiting for more users to report in on what the reliability is like. Recoil has to be pretty big on a 45 that light too. I don't much like shooting my PM9 either but I end up carrying it everyday

 

[halvey]

Well, the almost got it right. A PM45 would be the deal, or, I can't believe I'm saying this, a PM45 GAP!!

So all Kahr's can't fire lead then? Hmmm. I may have to reconsider that PM9.

 

[PCRCCW]

Actually......no one has said you cant fire lead through them. Its an assumption that because Glock doesnt recommend it.........the same goes for the Kahr.
Id like to hear what kahr recommends..............interesting.

Shoot well.

 

[Janitor]

So all Kahr's can't fire lead then? Hmmm. I may have to reconsider that PM9.

Not really quite true.

The issue as I understand it, is with the models that have a polygonal bore. I'm sure there are many THR members that know why lead and a polygonal bore is supposedly a problem. Unfortunately, I'm not one of them.

Anyway - the Kahr CW9 doesn't have a polygonal bore. There may be others too, but I'm not sure which they'd be. The CW9 was designed as an entry level Kahr, so it may be the only one they produce with standard rifling.

-

 

[DR]

Actually......no one has said you cant fire lead through them. Its an assumption that because Glock doesnt recommend it.........the same goes for the Kahr.
Id like to hear what kahr recommends..............interesting.

From my Kahr's manual:

Note Regarding Lead Bullets:
Lead (unjacketed) bullets can cause excessive bore fouling. Extra attention to cleaning the bore is recommended after firing lead bullets.

So, not an outright prohibiition, just a caution.

 

[halvey]

Thanks for the clarification.

For .45 it would be a problem for me as jacketed .45 can be expensive.

But I guess for the 9mm, it wouldn't be a big deal with bullets like Berrys.

 

[Gordon Fink]

But how does it shoot? I wonder if the P45 isn’t too light for .45-ACP recoil, given the long Kahr trigger pull. I would really like to see a K45, but at this rate, no .45-ACP Kahr will be “legal” in California.

~G. Fink

 

[albanian]

Did they do anything about the frame rails yet? Did they beef up the frame to reduce flex?

I am a huge Kahr fan but only their all steel pistols. My P-9 was very dissapointing. I don't have high hopes for any new plastic Kahr until they fix the design flaws that they already have.

 

[fecmech]

I put about 3K of cast bullets thru a K9 I owned last year with the polygonal bore. It was quite accurate and I had no leading problems with it. Nick

 

[epijunkie67]

Recoil has to be pretty big on a 45 that light too. I don't much like shooting my PM9 either but I end up carrying it everyday

You think the PM9 has a lot of recoil? Thats kind of funny because to me it is one of my lighter recoiling guns. I'll put 50-75 rounds through it at the range and never even notice it. I think it may have something to do with the way the gun fits my hand. Despite it's size and weight it just fits my hand really well. All the kahrs do, though I don't know why.

And as for the lead bullet issue... Well, for me it hasn't been an issue at all. For things like 9mm and .45 if I want cheap ammo I'll use winchester white box or something. I'd think there's more than enough cheap ammo in these calibers there should be no reason you'd need to shoot lead bullets just to keep costs down.

When I finally get the .45 I'll try to do a range report. Should happen in the enext few weeks. I'd already have it if I hadn't just moved and had time to get the address on my licence changed.

 

[HI express]

Which para?

Epi,
Just curious, which Para Ord model did you have the problems with? Sorry to hear that.

The Kahr .45 might be the answer for you though.

Good luck with it.

 

[P. Plainsman]

Nice enough looking pistol. I have no interest in an 20.5 oz .45 ACP handgun, but others will, and I wish them success with it.

Might have to get me a K9 or K40 one of these days.

 

[Geno]

It looks like the Springfield XD pistol!

Check out the Springfield XDs...looks very similar.

Nice firearm. I hope it works as good as it looks!

Doc2005

 

[MachIVshooter]

Well, the almost got it right. A PM45 would be the deal, or, I can't believe I'm saying this, a PM45 GAP!!

I'm thinking more along the lines of a Mk45. Steel=better. I like the Mk9/40 but refuse to carry either round. For me it's 10mm, .357 or .45.

Mk10.........Mmmmmmmmm!

 

[Lt. G]

What did you pay out the door for it? I just got a CW9 but haven't had the time to shoot it.
Thanks,
G

 

[halvey]

Just curious, which Para Ord model did you have the problems with?

I've had problems with most of mine also.

I'm thinking more along the lines of a Mk45. Steel=better.

There are plenty of steel .45's already.

 

[MachIVshooter]

There are plenty of steel .45's already.

There are plenty of polymer ones as well. But let me know if you can think of a steel .45 as small as Kahr's Mk series. Closest I have seen are the little Para's and SA Micro's, and they're considerably larger. The Mk's are true ankle guns.

 

[pistolwhipped]

Do they sell it with the Black Diamond slide ?

 

[Greymoor]

A lot of people miss the point with the P45. This is not a range gun it is a CCW piece. It is light weight and thin for ease of carry. This is not the typical weapon you take to the range and shoot 1K rounds through it at a sitting. As for recoil, it is what you make of it. If someone is recoil sensitive they most likely would not care for it. My PM-9 is a mite bit jumpy with the +p GDs I put through it. It is still very controllable for me. Some people like to shoot 357 mag out of 12oz. snubbies. Different strokes for different folks.

With the lead issue, I would have to ask, why would anyone be shooting a bunch of lead bullets through it anyway. I have full sized 1911s for that. I practice with 230gr. FMJ ammo with my 45s and carry 230 GDs. I guess, if you want you can shoot lead bullets through it, but you may need to give it a good scrubbing when done.

The real bonus to the P45 will be all day effortless carry. My PM-9 just disappears in its IWB holster. The P45 weighing only 6 oz more loaded than my PM-9 should do the disappearing trick almost as well.

I look forward to your range report epijunkie67