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On an impulse, I picked up a used Ruger GP-100 recently. I'd been kicking around getting a GP-100 for the last few years and I finally found a good price on one. It's practically new. It's a 4" stainless model, KGP-141 I think.

It's my first Ruger revolver, so it's been a learning experience. I'm waiting for my free manual from Ruger, along with a tiny takedown pin that stores in the grip (the gun came with one, but I lost it in short order). I've not yet taken it apart, though I was shown how.

I like the trigger. A lot of guys talk about how awful Ruger triggers are; it isn't the case on this gun. It feels different than a Smith, but not worse. Single action trigger pull is heavier than a Smith, but I almost never shoot single action anyway.

The gun is a chunk; it's heavy, heavier than my 686+ was even though it'll fit in the same holsters. The frame is a big square of cast steel with a cylinder window cut into it; the top of the frame is simply flat steel, whereas on a Smith it's contoured and left unpolished to reduce glare. One of the ways Ruger reduces cost, I guess, is to minimize machine time, which results in a blockier gun.

I don't like the sights. A flat black front sight with a white outline rear is, to my mind, a bad sight picture. The rear sight should never be higher-visibility than the front, in my opinion. Either all-black sights or a white-outline-rear and colored-ramp-front would've been a better choice.

That's no matter, though. I'm going to replace the sights with a Bowen rear and a gold bead front, like my 629 Classic. I'm going to use the Ruger as a sort of 4/5ths scale practice gun for the .44 Magnum.

Hm. Speaking of which, Georgia Arms hasn't shipped the ammo I ordered almost a month ago, or even billed me for it. I should probably call them.

Anyway, the left grip panel doesn't fit properly into the rubber. It sticks out a bit, but it probably won't be noticable when firing. The round cylinder that goes through the grip stud and stops you from tightening the grip screw too much had to be literally pounded out with a hammer. Repeatedly pounding it back and forth through the hole shaved some metal off of it and it now moves freely without tools, like I'm told it should.

All in all, we'll see how I like it in the long run. I've had a .357 before and just couldn't stick with it. Maybe it'll be different with the Ruger, just because it's different than my three Smiths.

I do have a question, though. What's the difference between the "old" Ruger DA revolvers like the Redhawk and the "new" ones like the GP100, besides the grip frame? Are there any mechanical differences in the lockwork?

Strange as it may sound, subjectively I "feel" that the GP-100 is tougher...well, it's got more metal on it than a comparable L-Frame, so it'll probably be hard to blow up with a bad handload, but that's not what I'm talking about. Will a Ruger revolver hold up to sand, mud, moisture, and abuse better than a Smith & Wesson? Is the lockwork stronger and less prone to failure? Or is it purely subjective on my part?

On that note, please don't bombard me with a bunch of comments about "TEH LOCK" and MIM parts; that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is the nuts-and-bolts mechanics of the lockwork, assuming equal quality control for each type. Is the Ruger design inherently more durable?

Oh, while I appreciate the sentiment, I wouldn't congratulate me on the gun, with which you may expect me to enjoy many long years of shooting, just yet. If I still have it in six months then it's probably a keeper, but not necessarily. I'm a notorious horse trader.

(OTOH, .38 is cheap and .44 is not, so that's one thing it's got going for it.)

Biggest downside to it? .357 isn't big bore. *shrug* Again, purely subjective on my part, but that kind of stuff drives probably 99% of our gun buying choices. And happily so; otherwise, we'd all be shooting Glocks. :barf: :neener:
 
I love my 4" stainless.

I put some bright green acrylic paint on my front sight and it shows up well against most backgrounds.
 
My 4" GP sees more range and field time than any other handgun I own. That is because I don't fret to much when it gets dirty or marred from use or neglect.

It is not a target revolver or a CCW. I have not posed it for a picture nor do I worry about scrubbing the dark fouling rings off the front of the cylinder.

After a few hundred rounds, I got use to the trigger as it smoothed out significantly.

It seems to shoot everything from .38 Spl LWC to .357 mag 180 gr JHP, very well.

I do not think I would ever sell it as I would never get anything close to what is is worth.
 
good deal

Nightcrawler: Sir; you won. The GP will stand up to the loading.
It has the same 'triggering group' as the Super Redhawk. The Redhawk take a different approach, different parts.
Trigger Group is the difference.
 
Is the barrel straight? I've got a 4" GP with an over-torqued barrel, enough to bug the hell out of me... I'll eventually send it off for correction. My 3" GP is slightly over-tourqued, but not enough to bug me. I've been looking for and SP101 lately. Damnear every one I pick up at the gun shows has an over or under-torqued barrel.
 
Have both a 686 Plus and GP100. Out of the box the trigger on the Smith was marginally better in single action. Had both tuned and the net result is about the same: both have SA around 2.5 pounds and double 7.25 to 7.5 with the Smith being slightly lighter as have not played more with the GP. Have the Bowen sight on mine and gives a good sight picture along with a Millett orange front. Probably ought to get a Bowen rear for the 686.

The barrel on my GP is indexed correctly. Have an SP, though, that was overindexed which I assume is to correct where it was shooting. I had in the past a 686 with an overindexed barrel, too, so the situation is not peculiar to one manufacturer alone.
 
Nightcrawler, welcome to the GP100 Owners Club. It's a great gun, that smooths up with use. Love the 4" version. Only change I made to the one I bought second hand was to order the grip from a fixed-sight model. It is a bit smaller than the adjustable sight model. The inserts from the SP101 fit the smaller grip. Although I have big hands, I really like the feel of the smaller grip. If you get a chance to handle a fixed-sight specimine, check it out.
 
Sorry to hear that initially it seems you don't like your new GP100(40oz vs 686+ 38oz, a 2oz difference, probaby due to the Smith having thinner cylinder walls to accomodate 7 )... But I believe after owning it and shooting it your opinion might just change. With no argument the 686+ is a GREAT revolver, tried and true, the GP has quite a loyal following and rightfully so. I would also say yes to your question about it being "inherently more durable" than a Smith. The big square cast steel frame would be responsible for that. Sand, mud, moisture and abuse in any gun will create problems, I don't think that would be my deciding factor for keeping or selling. Hang onto this horse before you quickly trade it and maybe in 6 months you'll enjoy that "littlebore" 357mag more than you think.
 
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GP100 = one fabulous revolver. I even feel armed with the Ruger even when I run out of ammo...enough heft here to use as a club/mace. All Rugers are "works in progress"...and they only get better with use. With the exception of my M1 Garand, I'd trade all my weapons in before I had to part with my GP100!
 
I don't like the sights. A flat black front sight with a white outline rear is, to my mind, a bad sight picture.

I have this Millet front sight on my new to me GP-100 and it is real nice.

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Actually Nightcrawler, Ruger still builds Redhawks - Redhawks are not Ruger's "old" line of DA revolvers. The fact is, Ruger just came out with a new 4" barreled .44 Magnum Redhawk. I'm concidering buying one myself.
I don't personally have a GP-100, but my son-in-law has had one for years. His seems like a typical Ruger revolver to me - strong, dependable, and as accurate as I can make use of.
My .357 Ruger is a Security Six. It would be a lot easier to call Ruger's Security Six line of revolvers their "old" line of DA revolvers and their GP-100 line their "new" line of DA revovers, particularly when you concider both were/are .357s, while Redhawks are generally .44 Magnums or .45 Colts. Although, Ruger DID build a few .357 Magnum Redhawks years ago. It seems like I heard they built a few .41 Magnum Redhawks too, but I'm not at all sure about that.
 
It seems like I heard they built a few .41 Magnum Redhawks too, but I'm not at all sure about that.
I have both a Blue and a SS .41 Redhawk, so I guess they did. I feel the need for a .357 Redhawk too. :D
 
"I have both a Blue and a SS .41 Redhawk, so I guess they did."

Yeah, I guess you're right Walkalong.:D
I don't see any of those smilie faces that show me green with envy, but I sure am. I'm a .41 Magnum fan.
 
I know Ruger still makes a Redhawk. But it's an older design, more-or-less a scaled-up Security Six, whereas the GP100 and the Super Redhawk are the "new" designs.

I'm just curious as to what the differences are between the two designs.

And I never said I didn't like the gun. I was just pointing out observations. It's a very utilitarian piece. With a little bit of aesthetic contouring from the factory, I think it could be downright handsome. As is, it's not bad looking. While I've referred to Rugers as the Glocks of revolvers, that's not entirely fair I don't think. :cool:
 
The Security-Six series are slightly smaller & lighter than the GP-100's. Great for carry, but more recoil.

Ruger changed to the GP-100 design to simplify manufacture with it, the Super Redhawks, and the SP-101's. They're heavier, more durable, and easier to shoot with full-power loads.

I like the Security-Sixes myself, but I wouldn't turn down a GP... :D
 
I got this one new about a month ago. It has the 6" barell. I sure do like how it shoots!
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I'm just curious as to what the differences are between the two designs.
Very similar, except for one big difference. The GP-100 uses a seperate trigger spring vs the Redhawk which uses one spring to do it all. I think the GP-100 design is an improvement. The Redhawk spring pulls the lower part of the hammer back moving the upper half forward to hit the fireing pin and also accomplish trigger reset after release of the trigger. The GP-100 uses a setup like the Blackhawk to power the hammer forward from the top half while a seperate trigger spring effects trigger reset.
 
The Redhawk, I believe, came out around 1979 so is really an in between design with the Security Six predating by a number of years and the GP and SRH which came out about 8 years or so later than the Redhawk. The Six Series also have a separate trigger return spring. The Redhawk has a regular grip frame as on the Six Series vs. the grip stud as on the SRH and GP series.

The fixed sight GP's appear to have a bit thinner top strap and are a bit more sleek in the frame compared to the adjustable sighted ones. As to a flat black front sight Bowen offers sights that fit the Redhawk which could be filed to the desired height and fit the adjustable sighted GP. That with a Bowen plain rear target sight should give the sights desired.
 
Another satisfied GP 100 owner

Mark me another satisfied GP 100 owner. As my wife hates automatics, I knew that I needed to get a revolver that she would feel comfortable firing at least +P .38 Spcl. hollowpoints. At several ranges, we fired revolvers from several different manufacturers and models of revolvers including the S&W 686, S&W K-Frames, a Taurus S&W 686 clone, and even got to fire a Colt Python 6" once, but I kept coming back to looking at GP 100's. So recently, I bought an late 80's 4" version in stainless for $300 using Jim March's guide (see sticky post above) to purchasing used revolvers. This gun has been a jewel and the accuracy and trigger action are excellent. Only problem, I may have to get another one as my wife really likes firing it at the range. I am also impressed with the older Security Six and bought one the other day with minor holster wear only. Took it to the range and its accuracy and feel was nearly as good. (It might be as good on accuracy but I need to check the sights using a benchrest first) Trigger action might be a tad better than the GP 100 but there is a family resemblance. Once again, I used Jim March's guide and got an excellent revolver for very little. For that reason, I really appreciate all the other THR posters in this forum and especially Jim March's post above for timely info that helped me make decent purchases. :)
 
Congrats. Ruger makes fine revolvers. I like the GP & SP models but personally prefer the S&W trigger.

Happy shooting.
 
It's been a long time since I disassembled a Redhawk, but I do remember that it has some characteristics of the older Security/Service/Speed Sixes, some of the characteristics of the GP100, and some of its own. The one spring to act as both hammer spring and trigger return spring is the best example of a uniquely Redhawk characteristic. All of these Rugers are wonderful sixguns, and none should be considered outdated or obsolete, IMHO. For a while, it was difficult to get a good trigger action in the Redhawk, but the newer 4" Redhawks I have handled have SWEET actions, so the factory must have figured something out.
 
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