auschip
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The OP wasn't discussing Treadwell. It was discussing a couple who were killed in their tent by a predatory bear.
Grizzly kills couple at Alaska campsite
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The OP wasn't discussing Treadwell. It was discussing a couple who were killed in their tent by a predatory bear.
LtCol Jeff Cooper once said that, when in grizzly bear country, he sleeps with a .44 magnum attached to his wrist with a 1 meter lanyard. Easier to find at night.
Another gunwriter said that he sleeps with a .44 magnum in a shoulder holster whilst in the wilds of Alaska.
The combat soldiers I know never zip up their sleeping bags. Long time habit.
THE BLUE PRESS had an article about a year ago of some guys in Arizona being attacked in their tent by a large black bear. BB is now deceased compliments of a handload from a .44 magnum.
Another gunwriter said that he sleeps with a .44 magnum in a shoulder holster whilst in the wilds of Alaska.
The combat soldiers I know never zip up their sleeping bags. Long time habit.
THE BLUE PRESS had an article about a year ago of some guys in Arizona being attacked in their tent by a large black bear. BB is now deceased compliments of a handload from a .44 magnum.
Victims of bear attack were wilderness vets
A follow-up from yesterday...
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/6656053p-6542899c.html
-David
A follow-up from yesterday...
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/6656053p-6542899c.html
-David
Justin
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Threads merged.
Father Knows Best
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Malone LaVeigh wrote:
That last bit qualifies for the "Understatement of the Year" award. Black bears are about as different from the dangerous bears (Grizzly, Alaskan Brown, Polar) as your average house cats are from lions and tigers. I don't feel a need to carry a firearm for bear protection in most of the lower 48, but that's because it's extremely unlikely I will encounter anything other than black bears. I've seen more of those than I can count. If I'm going to be in Grizzly or Brown country, though, you better believe I'm packing serious firepower. And I simply don't go where Polar bears are expected to be. I value my hide too much.
That last bit qualifies for the "Understatement of the Year" award. Black bears are about as different from the dangerous bears (Grizzly, Alaskan Brown, Polar) as your average house cats are from lions and tigers. I don't feel a need to carry a firearm for bear protection in most of the lower 48, but that's because it's extremely unlikely I will encounter anything other than black bears. I've seen more of those than I can count. If I'm going to be in Grizzly or Brown country, though, you better believe I'm packing serious firepower. And I simply don't go where Polar bears are expected to be. I value my hide too much.
Ryder
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Black bears killed nearly three dozen people across the whole of North America last century
(http://www.bearsmart.com/coexistence/TruthAboutBears.html) while grizzlies have killed 18 people in the western United States alone over the same period of time (http://www.conservationnw.org/wildlife/grizzly/press_poll_1_04.html).
Definately nothing to worry about there?
I spent much of 30 years in the woods and have never seen a bear. Doesn't matter, I still wouldn't go into the woods without a gun if for nothing more than just because I can.
(http://www.bearsmart.com/coexistence/TruthAboutBears.html) while grizzlies have killed 18 people in the western United States alone over the same period of time (http://www.conservationnw.org/wildlife/grizzly/press_poll_1_04.html).
Definately nothing to worry about there?
I spent much of 30 years in the woods and have never seen a bear. Doesn't matter, I still wouldn't go into the woods without a gun if for nothing more than just because I can.
Father Knows Best
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I don't worry about attacks by black bears, but I always take basic precautions when I am in bear country -- even black bear country. I just don't feel the need for a firearm to defend myself against black bears. The likelihood of a dangerous attack by a black bear is so remote that the extra weight and complexity (legal) of carrying a firearm doesn't make sense.
I do often carry a handgun in the woods for protection against the kind of predator that walks on two feet. It may also be useful against black bears, but that's not why I carry it.
Never ever zip your sleeping bag. Snaps only. In an emergency you can bust out of the bag. This is USMC doctrine called a "Wild Mummy Bag Ride". The lesson was taught to many a Buck Private who zipped up there bag. One NCO rolls closed the top of the bag sealing the victim inside while two other NCO's lift the bag and victim. After a 300 to 400 yard ride the victim is then given a "heave, ho" and launched. You only make the mistake once and I know based on personal experience. Nothing like unzipping your bag in complete darkness, totally disoriented and with no boots.....
Bears have been eating people since the beginning of mankind. I think no matter how much planning is done occasionally the bears win.
Bears have been eating people since the beginning of mankind. I think no matter how much planning is done occasionally the bears win.
Libertyteeth
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It is true black bears will usually (but not always) do everything they can to avoid you. (So, actually, will grizzly bears.) From what I have read, if a black bear is breaking into your tent, figure it plans on eating you. It happens, if only rarely.
I always sleep with at least a .44 magnum in wild country - usually a pistol-gripped Mossburg 500 12 gauge shotgun with attached light, particularly in grizzly country. I have not had serious encounters, except being briefly chased by a black bear in West Yellowstone, Montana, when I was a kid, and something came into camp once, but it might have been a large dog. It was gone by the time I was able to check.
Out hiking or fishing, I usually carry the .44 magnum because not only do we have black bears and grizzlies in Montana, we also have moose (more of a concern than bears), mountain lions, range bulls, and now wolves. And the occasional two-legged crazie. I also carry pepper spray.
I always sleep with at least a .44 magnum in wild country - usually a pistol-gripped Mossburg 500 12 gauge shotgun with attached light, particularly in grizzly country. I have not had serious encounters, except being briefly chased by a black bear in West Yellowstone, Montana, when I was a kid, and something came into camp once, but it might have been a large dog. It was gone by the time I was able to check.
Out hiking or fishing, I usually carry the .44 magnum because not only do we have black bears and grizzlies in Montana, we also have moose (more of a concern than bears), mountain lions, range bulls, and now wolves. And the occasional two-legged crazie. I also carry pepper spray.
Malone LaVeigh
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You're worried about something that killed less than 36 people over a land mass of millions of square miles over 100 years? Jeez, housecats have probably killed more people.
Ryder
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No, I am not worried about bears. Like I said, never seen one in the woods and I have enough confidence in myself to handle anything one on one. If you must know my biggest worry in the woods around here is a pack of feral dogs. I've not seen them yet, only their tracks, large tracks and many of them. Sneaky buggers.
Looking at those numbers I supplied shows the two types af bear attacks to be relatively equal so it shouldn't make sense to fear one type of bear more than the other. Yet it seems most do. Guess that's the point I was trying to make.
Looking at those numbers I supplied shows the two types af bear attacks to be relatively equal so it shouldn't make sense to fear one type of bear more than the other. Yet it seems most do. Guess that's the point I was trying to make.
black bear
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I don’t think that we should consider the experience of only one man to evaluate the dangers of camping and hiking in the wilderness in bear country.
We should look at the records for that evaluation, and the records have proven that the Grizzly and Brown Bears are dangerous and very capable of inflicting death on humans.
The black bear with its widest distribution, more numbers, and somehow not earning sufficient respect, is the most prolific killer. But the killing is a drop in the ocean compared with the mauling that they inflict every year.
Those mauling by black bears have left scores of people mutilated and disfigured. It is a poor consolation when you save your life from an encounter with a black bear but are left disfigured and impaired for life.
Now, I have been roaming the wilderness for 34 years and have had a few encounters with bears that will have ended badly for me not I have been able to apply deadly force. But I don’t want to talk about my experiences but what the experts say or write.
As a hunter and enthusiast admirer of the black bear, I have read many books on them, many of them I have in my own bookshelf.
So, I know which experts have made a field of study in the attacks of bears.
As Bean East used to say, black bears are very unpredictable, maybe one out of one hundred will decide to make trouble for you, but you don’t know if the number one hundred will be the first that you will encounter.
Aside from my experiences, when you encounter one of those “dominant” bears in a narrow trail at night, you probably will be confronted by a bear that will not want to leave the trail, it will growl or puff or click his teeth and will break the foliage and small trees around his area. The display is designed to get you out of there quick and leave him to go on his way. When your car is beyond the bear and you can not retreat by trail but go into the woods to avoid a confrontation, even if you have with you a 30-06 in your hands as my wife had that night, you will be scared out of your pants. (My wife has two bears under her belt; still one thing is to get them during the day and another encounter then at night).
My son, ten at the time was with her in that occasion; to this day he has found heightened enthusiasm for hunting or roaming wild places at night and the thrill of what dangerous encounter the darkness can hold.(crazy kid)
I took the big one with a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Magnum
Some books to read when the computer is down.
Stephen Herrero’s Bear Attacks “Their causes and avoidance,” a very well research book that should be read by anyone considering camping in the wild.
Killer Bears by Mike Cramond (1981)
All about bears by Don DeHart (1971)
Bears by Ben East
Bear by Clyde Ormond
All about Bears by Duncan Gilchrist
Or the classic ones dealing with Grizzlies:
The Kodiak Bear by Jim Woodworth (1958)
The Grizzly Bear by Bessie and Edgar Haynes
The Grizzlies of Glacier by Warren Leonard Hanna
True Bear Stories by Joaquin Miller
Man Mets Grizzly by F. M. Young
Tales of Alaska’s Big Bears by Jim Rearden
The Grizzly Bear by William H. Wright
The Beast that walk like a man by Harold Mc Craken
One thing is for certain, if you have an encounter with a black bear in less than propitious conditions (read: at night) it will leave you with an unforgettable experience if you are lucky, if you are not.....
Black bear
We should look at the records for that evaluation, and the records have proven that the Grizzly and Brown Bears are dangerous and very capable of inflicting death on humans.
The black bear with its widest distribution, more numbers, and somehow not earning sufficient respect, is the most prolific killer. But the killing is a drop in the ocean compared with the mauling that they inflict every year.
Those mauling by black bears have left scores of people mutilated and disfigured. It is a poor consolation when you save your life from an encounter with a black bear but are left disfigured and impaired for life.
Now, I have been roaming the wilderness for 34 years and have had a few encounters with bears that will have ended badly for me not I have been able to apply deadly force. But I don’t want to talk about my experiences but what the experts say or write.
As a hunter and enthusiast admirer of the black bear, I have read many books on them, many of them I have in my own bookshelf.
So, I know which experts have made a field of study in the attacks of bears.
As Bean East used to say, black bears are very unpredictable, maybe one out of one hundred will decide to make trouble for you, but you don’t know if the number one hundred will be the first that you will encounter.
Aside from my experiences, when you encounter one of those “dominant” bears in a narrow trail at night, you probably will be confronted by a bear that will not want to leave the trail, it will growl or puff or click his teeth and will break the foliage and small trees around his area. The display is designed to get you out of there quick and leave him to go on his way. When your car is beyond the bear and you can not retreat by trail but go into the woods to avoid a confrontation, even if you have with you a 30-06 in your hands as my wife had that night, you will be scared out of your pants. (My wife has two bears under her belt; still one thing is to get them during the day and another encounter then at night).
My son, ten at the time was with her in that occasion; to this day he has found heightened enthusiasm for hunting or roaming wild places at night and the thrill of what dangerous encounter the darkness can hold.(crazy kid)
I took the big one with a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Magnum
Some books to read when the computer is down.
Stephen Herrero’s Bear Attacks “Their causes and avoidance,” a very well research book that should be read by anyone considering camping in the wild.
Killer Bears by Mike Cramond (1981)
All about bears by Don DeHart (1971)
Bears by Ben East
Bear by Clyde Ormond
All about Bears by Duncan Gilchrist
Or the classic ones dealing with Grizzlies:
The Kodiak Bear by Jim Woodworth (1958)
The Grizzly Bear by Bessie and Edgar Haynes
The Grizzlies of Glacier by Warren Leonard Hanna
True Bear Stories by Joaquin Miller
Man Mets Grizzly by F. M. Young
Tales of Alaska’s Big Bears by Jim Rearden
The Grizzly Bear by William H. Wright
The Beast that walk like a man by Harold Mc Craken
One thing is for certain, if you have an encounter with a black bear in less than propitious conditions (read: at night) it will leave you with an unforgettable experience if you are lucky, if you are not.....
Black bear
Cosmoline
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My own experiences with coastal brownies has been that they are typically a lot more afraid of me than the other way around. They are also very well fed on salmon and are FAR more tolerant of humans and other bears than griz. The fact that the bears at Treadwell's site tolerated a Malibu hippy poking them, messing with their turf and calling them goo-goo names for several years before finally eating him is a testimony to their fundamental nature. I would have lost my patience with Treadwell a lot sooner if he'd been bothering me and calling me goo-goo names while camping out in my place. The only brownies who pose a real threat are boars guarding kills and sows protecting cubs.
Around here, black bears give me a lot more concern. Many times while hiking I've run across them at close range, and their behavior has been disturbing. They don't run off until they've taken a good look at me. And I know enough to know they're not trying to be cute. A hungry black bear will generally attack anything that's smaller than he is. Up here we have black bear well into the 300 lb. range. Granted a small child or woman is at greater risk, but I don't want to get slashed either.
The griz, who don't live around here but further north, are a different story. They have a mean streak a mile wide. I remember a few years back how one angry griz had gotten fed up with rafters floating down his piece of the Yukon. He ran a batch of them off their boats and into the water and charged at several subsequent rafters. The pilot of a plane flying over the area some time later noticed the same griz, JUMPING UP AND DOWN ON THE REMNANTS OF A RAFT in a display of pure rage that was still going on DAYS after the humans had left!!
I'm also a bit fatalistic about brown bear and griz. If one of those guys wants to kill you, you're dead meat. The last really bad brownie attack around Anchorage was at McHugh back in 95 IIRC. The boar was guarding a fresh moose kill when three joggers ran right in front of him. The first went by, then the bear charged the second. It broke the woman's back and killed her instantly--just like a car hitting her. The third jogger--an adult male, was hit by a single claw swipe that SENT HIM FLYING SEVERAL YARDS into the underbrush. The bear then left the area. The man lingered a while longer, but rescuers could not figure out what was wrong with him. They though maybe a moose had kicked him. He hadn't been mauled, but the bear's claws had penetratd into his chest and ruptured his heart/lung area. The thing to note there is that the brownie boar didn't even need to maul his victims. A charge and a swipe killed two people in a matter of seconds. The coastal brown bear could, if he wanted, be the most fearsome maneater on the planet. He can charge at over 30 MPH and can weigh in excess of 1,000 lbs. Such a beast could break an African lion in half. But they like the fish and the moose a lot more than humans, and generally just want to be left alone.
Given the near-zero visibility on the trails in these parts due to dense vegetation, you're just as well off keeping a snub nose .357 with four for the bear and one for you. I figure I might be able to do something to persuade a black bear from getting fresh with me, but against a brownie I just try not to get crosswise with them. I keep my ears open and if I see sign of the big guys I get out of the area.
Around here, black bears give me a lot more concern. Many times while hiking I've run across them at close range, and their behavior has been disturbing. They don't run off until they've taken a good look at me. And I know enough to know they're not trying to be cute. A hungry black bear will generally attack anything that's smaller than he is. Up here we have black bear well into the 300 lb. range. Granted a small child or woman is at greater risk, but I don't want to get slashed either.
The griz, who don't live around here but further north, are a different story. They have a mean streak a mile wide. I remember a few years back how one angry griz had gotten fed up with rafters floating down his piece of the Yukon. He ran a batch of them off their boats and into the water and charged at several subsequent rafters. The pilot of a plane flying over the area some time later noticed the same griz, JUMPING UP AND DOWN ON THE REMNANTS OF A RAFT in a display of pure rage that was still going on DAYS after the humans had left!!
I'm also a bit fatalistic about brown bear and griz. If one of those guys wants to kill you, you're dead meat. The last really bad brownie attack around Anchorage was at McHugh back in 95 IIRC. The boar was guarding a fresh moose kill when three joggers ran right in front of him. The first went by, then the bear charged the second. It broke the woman's back and killed her instantly--just like a car hitting her. The third jogger--an adult male, was hit by a single claw swipe that SENT HIM FLYING SEVERAL YARDS into the underbrush. The bear then left the area. The man lingered a while longer, but rescuers could not figure out what was wrong with him. They though maybe a moose had kicked him. He hadn't been mauled, but the bear's claws had penetratd into his chest and ruptured his heart/lung area. The thing to note there is that the brownie boar didn't even need to maul his victims. A charge and a swipe killed two people in a matter of seconds. The coastal brown bear could, if he wanted, be the most fearsome maneater on the planet. He can charge at over 30 MPH and can weigh in excess of 1,000 lbs. Such a beast could break an African lion in half. But they like the fish and the moose a lot more than humans, and generally just want to be left alone.
Given the near-zero visibility on the trails in these parts due to dense vegetation, you're just as well off keeping a snub nose .357 with four for the bear and one for you. I figure I might be able to do something to persuade a black bear from getting fresh with me, but against a brownie I just try not to get crosswise with them. I keep my ears open and if I see sign of the big guys I get out of the area.
A .44's nothing special. Neither is a Casulll
neither one of them approaches the power of a 12 ga, and 100 lb deer run off with 12 ga slugs thru their chests, often enough to make any sensible man realize that 1-2 such chest hits will stop a grizzly only with a lot of luck.
neither one of them approaches the power of a 12 ga, and 100 lb deer run off with 12 ga slugs thru their chests, often enough to make any sensible man realize that 1-2 such chest hits will stop a grizzly only with a lot of luck.
I'm no expert on bears...I see a few from time to time on the farm up North...
But something Cosmoline said reminded me of what an old-timer told me...
He would agree that all bears are at their worst when guarding kills, cubs, and during mating season...he would also say that's it's incredible how quietly they can move around...
"Problem is," he told me, "you very rarely know when there's a kill or a cub around! You may see the bear, you may not be attacked, you may survive an attack, or wind up killing the bear if necessary...but you might not ever see the reason it decided to get agressive with you!"
As far as the Treadwell story...."familiarity breeds contempt."
But something Cosmoline said reminded me of what an old-timer told me...
He would agree that all bears are at their worst when guarding kills, cubs, and during mating season...he would also say that's it's incredible how quietly they can move around...
"Problem is," he told me, "you very rarely know when there's a kill or a cub around! You may see the bear, you may not be attacked, you may survive an attack, or wind up killing the bear if necessary...but you might not ever see the reason it decided to get agressive with you!"
As far as the Treadwell story...."familiarity breeds contempt."
All bears are known for bluff charging. Unfortunately, this gives some people the false impression that they have "scared off" the bear if they yelled or made noise and the bear turned and ran. Rest assured that if the bear really wants you for lunch, the biggest gun you can carry only improves your odds of survival. Nothing guarantees it.
Double Naught Spy
Sus Venator
I can't believe that some of you are taking for granted that the information from Dr. Lynn Rogers is 100% accurate. http://www.bearsmart.com/coexistence/TruthAboutBears.html
Did y'all even bother to read the page? The guy guy sounds like Timothy Treadwell, proclaiming how he is "trusted" by certain bear and bear families.
Apparently, human kills by black bears are about 11 times what is claimed by Dr. Lynn Rogers, http://outdoors.coloradosprings.com/wildlife/fullStory.jsp?id=1549 has the number at 4 per year, multiplied by 100 years and you get 400, not 36
I like the notes here on protection as they ring true of the accounts I studied before working survey in Alaska one summer http://www.fs.fed.us/r10/tongass/forest_facts/safety/bearfacts.htm "Heavy handguns such as a .44-Magnum may be inadequate in emergency situations, especially in untrained hands."
black bear
Member
They were doing almost everything right; cooking and eating in one place then traveling and sleeping in another, having food stored in bear-proof containers and having a gun for defense.
I don’t think that they had a perimeter alarm, maybe because in the Tundra there are no trees to attach the cord, and I consider that the first priority. I have two: the first one being the Para cord and the screaming siren and the second is the Driveway alert.
And if I were camping in Alaska I will probably have one more Driveway Alert.
I cannot say enough good things about this unit; I have tested it in my backyard, in rain and snow, and it always worked.
I got mine through Heartland catalogue.
Why is it so important to be warned of an intrusion in your campsite? Well, I just woke up and went to the computer, and my eyes don’t focus properly. My legs and arms are painful from the arthritis and from getting the humid air the entire night, my responses are sluggish, and I need a little time and a cup of coffee to just get going (I am 60, the age of the lawyer that got killed).
I imagine that after paddling a canoe or hiking for several hours your body responses will be at an all time low. Awakened from profound sleep by an attacking bear, what are your chances even if you have a gun nearby?
I am going to implement in my camping routine two more things that I have learned on this Forum. My.44 Magnum or the S&W 500 (if I can get one) is going to be attached by a lanyard to my wrist, and my sleeping bag will be unzipped.
If I throw 951 lumens of light in the face of a bear whose eyes are conditioned to the dark, IT WILL BE BLINDED.
My powerful flashlight (The MAG 951 for 951 lumens that I modify and also sell to members of this Forum) will be attached to my pants by the Maglite holder that you see in the picture. And as usual I will have a light going on the entire night; for that purpose I use an Infinity Ultra hanging from the ceiling of the tent.
In Alaska I also will have one of the new Marlin Guide carbines in 450 Marlin or hot 45-70 and the revolver will be a 454 Casull or an S&W 500.
If I could not buy those revolvers it will have to be my Ruger Redhawk with 7 ½ inches barrel and a very hot handload with the 300 grains Hornady XTP.
I would like to have a hiking staff made into a short spear, something like the Zulus used, with a cover for the blade to use while hiking and uncovered and lying next to me while sleeping..
Something similar to what is shown in my picture
So, the kit I showed before a couple pages up is the one I used for camping in N. Y. in black bear country.
This picture shows what it is going to be for Grizzly if I made my many times postponed trip to Alaska.
If all this precautions sound a little extreme to you, just consider what happened to this couple.
Regards,
Black bear
I don’t think that they had a perimeter alarm, maybe because in the Tundra there are no trees to attach the cord, and I consider that the first priority. I have two: the first one being the Para cord and the screaming siren and the second is the Driveway alert.
And if I were camping in Alaska I will probably have one more Driveway Alert.
I cannot say enough good things about this unit; I have tested it in my backyard, in rain and snow, and it always worked.
I got mine through Heartland catalogue.
Why is it so important to be warned of an intrusion in your campsite? Well, I just woke up and went to the computer, and my eyes don’t focus properly. My legs and arms are painful from the arthritis and from getting the humid air the entire night, my responses are sluggish, and I need a little time and a cup of coffee to just get going (I am 60, the age of the lawyer that got killed).
I imagine that after paddling a canoe or hiking for several hours your body responses will be at an all time low. Awakened from profound sleep by an attacking bear, what are your chances even if you have a gun nearby?
I am going to implement in my camping routine two more things that I have learned on this Forum. My.44 Magnum or the S&W 500 (if I can get one) is going to be attached by a lanyard to my wrist, and my sleeping bag will be unzipped.
If I throw 951 lumens of light in the face of a bear whose eyes are conditioned to the dark, IT WILL BE BLINDED.
My powerful flashlight (The MAG 951 for 951 lumens that I modify and also sell to members of this Forum) will be attached to my pants by the Maglite holder that you see in the picture. And as usual I will have a light going on the entire night; for that purpose I use an Infinity Ultra hanging from the ceiling of the tent.
In Alaska I also will have one of the new Marlin Guide carbines in 450 Marlin or hot 45-70 and the revolver will be a 454 Casull or an S&W 500.
If I could not buy those revolvers it will have to be my Ruger Redhawk with 7 ½ inches barrel and a very hot handload with the 300 grains Hornady XTP.
I would like to have a hiking staff made into a short spear, something like the Zulus used, with a cover for the blade to use while hiking and uncovered and lying next to me while sleeping..
Something similar to what is shown in my picture
So, the kit I showed before a couple pages up is the one I used for camping in N. Y. in black bear country.
This picture shows what it is going to be for Grizzly if I made my many times postponed trip to Alaska.
If all this precautions sound a little extreme to you, just consider what happened to this couple.
Regards,
Black bear
Heard so many "they will run from you" stories by others on bears and cats before moving to bear and cat country 14 years ago, glad I didn't listen. Maced a black bear that instantly tried to bully me on a game trail during hunting season. No sound , there he was. Waaay too close for comfort. Didn't need to fire a shot that time. Don't want to ever experience that again. Cougar visited my supper on a river bank after a great day of fishing, came within 50yds, waay too close for comfort. Did not back off when I yelled. He was properly dispensed. Poor guy had no decent teeth. In the woods with predatory animals, I will be ready. In Alaska with BIG predatory animals, you bet double ready. Anything less would be stupid. Any prewarning devices, including dogs, when tent camping , need to be seriously considered. I do not tent camp in bear country, and will not ever consider it.
If you are ever going to need a firearm then its gonna be in the woods.
I cant beleive all the people that go hiking and not carrry the basics. Firearm--at least a 22wmr, a fixed blade at least 6inches and a multi tool not to mention a SAK --thats a given.
Black Bear---glad to see someone else is using what i been using for many years---I have used those perimeter alarms--usually 3 for about 10 years now---work really good---mine are a bit smaller though and use motion rather than trip
I also use that cold steel knife for my hiking staff.
I have only hiked in lower 48 from washington state to maine to montana and down south here.
I usually carry a Glock in .357 sig caliber--most encounters i have had were with 2 legged varmints. But also carry a Model 720 Rossi with Cor Bon/Buffalo Bore for bigger threats and will be getting a Taurus .45acp tracker and loading with .45 super loads.
I have always slept with sleeping bag unzipped myself and always have lanyard with cold steel recon tanto and gun holster lanyarded to hand.
How can i get one of those Maglite conversions?
I cant beleive all the people that go hiking and not carrry the basics. Firearm--at least a 22wmr, a fixed blade at least 6inches and a multi tool not to mention a SAK --thats a given.
Black Bear---glad to see someone else is using what i been using for many years---I have used those perimeter alarms--usually 3 for about 10 years now---work really good---mine are a bit smaller though and use motion rather than trip
I also use that cold steel knife for my hiking staff.
I have only hiked in lower 48 from washington state to maine to montana and down south here.
I usually carry a Glock in .357 sig caliber--most encounters i have had were with 2 legged varmints. But also carry a Model 720 Rossi with Cor Bon/Buffalo Bore for bigger threats and will be getting a Taurus .45acp tracker and loading with .45 super loads.
I have always slept with sleeping bag unzipped myself and always have lanyard with cold steel recon tanto and gun holster lanyarded to hand.
How can i get one of those Maglite conversions?
black bear
Member
culleniii
Thanks for your appreciation, and I also agree with you. I don't know how some people can ignore the probabilities of getting hurt in the woods by wild animals.
Witness all the cougar attacks lately and even wild dogs attacks to people even close to civilized areas.
With respect to my modification called the MAG 951, I have been selling them for a few months here and many members are using them.
I have a thread in Buy/Sell/Trade Accessories that is already quite long: here is a link to the third page with the latest information.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=125447&page=3
I am also running a contest and giving one for free, as a way to thank the good people of this Forum and my many friends here. The winner is to be picked as a number out of a hat on July 23.
Go to this thread and post your entry (no charge) and good luck! Everybody is welcome to try.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=144130
I have to say that I value human life too much to let a wild animal take it, especially when it is my life that is in jeopardy.
I am here to tell the tale because one day I was able, prepared and willing to defend myself against such an attack by a bear.
If some people that go into the wood will drop the Disney mentality on entering and face the reality of life in the wild, and take precautions accordingly, we will be seeing less tragedy.
All this in my humble opinion.
Respectfully,
black bear
Thanks for your appreciation, and I also agree with you. I don't know how some people can ignore the probabilities of getting hurt in the woods by wild animals.
Witness all the cougar attacks lately and even wild dogs attacks to people even close to civilized areas.
With respect to my modification called the MAG 951, I have been selling them for a few months here and many members are using them.
I have a thread in Buy/Sell/Trade Accessories that is already quite long: here is a link to the third page with the latest information.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=125447&page=3
I am also running a contest and giving one for free, as a way to thank the good people of this Forum and my many friends here. The winner is to be picked as a number out of a hat on July 23.
Go to this thread and post your entry (no charge) and good luck! Everybody is welcome to try.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=144130
I have to say that I value human life too much to let a wild animal take it, especially when it is my life that is in jeopardy.
I am here to tell the tale because one day I was able, prepared and willing to defend myself against such an attack by a bear.
If some people that go into the wood will drop the Disney mentality on entering and face the reality of life in the wild, and take precautions accordingly, we will be seeing less tragedy.
All this in my humble opinion.
Respectfully,
black bear
Cosmoline
Member
I don't see anything wrong with packing a hand cannon IF you really will pack it and IF you really can fire six shots out of it in a single, rapid and accurate volley. Practicing with .45 Colt all day out of a Casull means NOTHING. When a bear comes charging, it comes in fast. Very, very fast. In a real attack, you have at most a number of seconds before the bear is on top of you. You need to be able to fire a volley of full-power shots using the same rounds you'll use on the trail into a 6" circle at ten yards. The problem I always had with the SRH Casull was that the recoil with powerhouse loads was so overpowering I couldn't get followup shots quickly enough and I developed a nasty flinch. I like the .357 because I can pump five rounds into a 3" circle at ten yards in the same amount of time it took me to get one Casull out the barrel. You want to get as much lead into the bear as possible, since you're trying to hit a shoulder joint or the brain pan, and neither is an easy target to hit. The .357 or .44 Magnum hardcast slugs will give you as much penetration as you could possibly need, so you're not really gaining much by moving up to an ultra-magnum.
Also, I'd suggest using an Alaska Sportsman style belly holster as it distributes the weight of a big boomer a lot better than a belt holster and is easier to deal with while pushing through thick cover.
Also, I'd suggest using an Alaska Sportsman style belly holster as it distributes the weight of a big boomer a lot better than a belt holster and is easier to deal with while pushing through thick cover.
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