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Starbucks supposedly went gun free some time back. I guess the criminals never got the message.

December 19, 2013
How's that gun-free zone working out for Starbucks?
Thomas Lifson

Three months ago, Starbucks' CEO Howard Schultz proudly announced a gun-free zone policy for his company's stores.

Few topics in America generate a more polarized and emotional debate than guns. In recent months, Starbucks stores and our partners (employees) who work in our stores have been thrust unwillingly into the middle of this debate. That's why I am writing today with a respectful request that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas.


So, how's it working out? KKTV TV in Colorado Springs reports:


Police are searching for a man who held up at Colorado Springs Starbucks Sunday morning.

Employees told officers that after the suspect walled in, he pulled out a gun and demanded money from the register. He left after employees gave him money. No one was injured.

The suspect is described as a black man in his early-to-mid 20s, slim and about 6 feet tall to 6-foot-2. He was dressed in all black. Police say he may have left the area in a black Subaru-style vehicle.


What a shock!
 
I must have missed this. I don't like coffee, so me boycotting them doesn't mean much. But I actually read the news, so maybe a lot of other people who DO like coffee missed it as well. I'll double check and then spread it around.
 
Kind of taken out of Contex.
Personally, I understand Schultz's position.
Starbucks was never "Pro-Gun". They just wanted to remain neutral on the issue.
Gun Activists, for whatever reason, turned Starbucks into some kind of champion of open carry. People started holding rallys at Starbucks, making shirts and Mugs with guns and the starbucks Logo (copyright infringement I believe), and making a big deal out of Starbucks policy when, if they had just kept their mouth **** and exercised their 2A rights and enjoyed their coffee, That would have never happened.

Also note that Schultz made this a request, not a Ban. A request to open carriers to respect his business decision.

Mcdonalds has a similar stance as Starbucks did. If the actions of pro2A carriers was directed to McDonalds instead of Starbucks, I'm sure they would have done the same thing.

Of course I value my 2A rights just like everyone else, but from a business standpoint, I'm kind of surprised Starbucks didn't come out with the statement they did a lot sooner.

Here's the full Starbucks letter for those interested.

PS, I personally think Starbucks coffee tastes like dirt (and I really enjoy coffee), and I surly don't eat Mcdonalds, pro open carry or not.


An Open Letter from Howard Schultz, ceo of Starbucks Coffee Company

Tuesday, September 17, 2013

Posted by Howard Schultz, Starbucks chairman, president and chief executive officer

Dear Fellow Americans,

Few topics in America generate a more polarized and emotional debate than guns. In recent months, Starbucks stores and our partners (employees) who work in our stores have been thrust unwillingly into the middle of this debate. That’s why I am writing today with a respectful request that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas.

From the beginning, our vision at Starbucks has been to create a “third place” between home and work where people can come together to enjoy the peace and pleasure of coffee and community. Our values have always centered on building community rather than dividing people, and our stores exist to give every customer a safe and comfortable respite from the concerns of daily life.

We appreciate that there is a highly sensitive balance of rights and responsibilities surrounding America’s gun laws, and we recognize the deep passion for and against the “open carry” laws adopted by many states. (In the United States, “open carry” is the term used for openly carrying a firearm in public.) For years we have listened carefully to input from our customers, partners, community leaders and voices on both sides of this complicated, highly charged issue.

Our company’s longstanding approach to “open carry” has been to follow local laws: we permit it in states where allowed and we prohibit it in states where these laws don’t exist. We have chosen this approach because we believe our store partners should not be put in the uncomfortable position of requiring customers to disarm or leave our stores. We believe that gun policy should be addressed by government and law enforcement—not by Starbucks and our store partners.

Recently, however, we’ve seen the “open carry” debate become increasingly uncivil and, in some cases, even threatening. Pro-gun activists have used our stores as a political stage for media events misleadingly called “Starbucks Appreciation Days” that disingenuously portray Starbucks as a champion of “open carry.” To be clear: we do not want these events in our stores. Some anti-gun activists have also played a role in ratcheting up the rhetoric and friction, including soliciting and confronting our customers and partners.

For these reasons, today we are respectfully requesting that customers no longer bring firearms into our stores or outdoor seating areas—even in states where “open carry” is permitted—unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel.

I would like to clarify two points. First, this is a request and not an outright ban. Why? Because we want to give responsible gun owners the chance to respect our request—and also because enforcing a ban would potentially require our partners to confront armed customers, and that is not a role I am comfortable asking Starbucks partners to take on. Second, we know we cannot satisfy everyone. For those who oppose “open carry,” we believe the legislative and policy-making process is the proper arena for this debate, not our stores. For those who champion “open carry,” please respect that Starbucks stores are places where everyone should feel relaxed and comfortable. The presence of a weapon in our stores is unsettling and upsetting for many of our customers.

I am proud of our country and our heritage of civil discourse and debate. It is in this spirit that we make today’s request. Whatever your view, I encourage you to be responsible and respectful of each other as citizens and neighbors.

Sincerely,

Howard Schultz
 
In CO, maybe each Starbucks should keep a handy stash of pain-killers, cocaine, methamph., crack, a bit of heroin etc.

Instead of robbers pulling a weapon, instead they can demand drugs and help avoid the need to rob/terrorize the "latte engineers" while in a desperate search for their drug money.

How about a warm cup of Cosmoline for some holiday cheer? That aroma which is so evocative of a lucky find in the corner of our last gun show.:)
 
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I also find it quite interesting that Shultz makes it a point to explain "open carry", and continually used it throughout the press release.

If you read between the lines, this is only a request that you don't open carry. That is different than "no firearms allowed".

Not in so many words, he said CCW is not against their policy (not like they would know anyway if you are doing it right)
 
Too many gun owners took it upon themselves to pull Starbucks into the gun debate. Our own people caused the reaction by Starbucks, not the antis. A business should not be pulled into a political debate when they are trying to run a business.

If I own a small business, nobody would stage and hold rallies there, even if I agree with them. Don't blame Starbucks one bit
 
My point was supposed to be one of humor, that a place which sort of declared itself gun free gets robbed by a man with a gun. I am a little warped maybe but I thought that bit of irony was funny. I guess subtle humor is not High Road.......
 
They didn't declare themselves "gun free" so it isn't funny or ironic. No humor is not the same as "subtle humor."
 
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