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Gun shop experience I will never forget

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by wiski, Mar 17, 2005.

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  1. wiski

    wiski Member

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    Went to a new gun shop (new to me that is) to inquire about FFL transfer fees for Mil surplus Makarov 9x18 handguns. The owner told me that he would not sell any cheap guns because then all the “gang bangers†would be coming around for guns too. I asked if I look like a gang banger and got a strange look from him. I looked at another customer at his counter and said “do I� She said no, that I look like a LEO friend of hers (another thread… looking like a cop I guess).

    I then overheard the owner tell another customer that the 9x18 round is just like the 380ACP, and that all 9mm cartridges are the same diameter, only different length cases. I didn’t bother to correct him on that one.

    Getting back to discussing Makarovs after the other folks left, he stated that he sold his Russian Mak for something like $600 because it was rare. This may be true as I do not yet know much about the build/import numbers of these pistols or the variants of said guns… but you gotta wonder.

    Just then the Fed-Express guy arrives with several boxes. He opened up a box and showed me a brand new Five-seveN, and told me that it was the new fastest handgun round made. He mentioned (to himself I think) that it came with three “clipsâ€, two in the case, and one in the pistol. This guy then did something that I still do not believe I saw. He picked up the handgun from the factory black plastic case, pointed it away from himself and me, and PULLED THE TRIGGER! He did this with the magazine still inserted in the gun and never checked to verify that it was indeed unloaded. Incredible.

    Needless to say, I left… quickly.
     
  2. wasrjoe

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    $600 for a Russian Mak is most probably as much BS as everything he spouted off. I'm glad you made it out alive and with your sanity!
     
  3. joebogey

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    Find another dealer.
    And while you're searching the net for said dealer, check out this website.
    About anything you wanna know about a Mak.

    www.makarov.com
     
  4. waktasz

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    Aren't all 9mm cartridges the same diameter. I'm confused, good think I shoot .40s :)
     
  5. joebogey

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    Nope,
    The Mak uses a 9x18,
    While most common autos use 9x19

    By the way, would that be 40s as in 40, 44, 45? LOL

    Oh, and I forgot 41
     
  6. dasmi

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    Diameter is the same, length of the catridge is not.
     
  7. wasrjoe

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    The diameter of 9x18 is not truly 9mm (9.12 or something? I forget) and incompatable with most other "9mm" rounds.
     
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    Isn't the 18 or 19 a reference to the length? He asked about diameter.
     
  9. Redneck Revolver

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    my lord?!?!?! you can honestly get a license to sell weapons with that little knowledge base? sweet jesus..... :eek:
     
  10. Lonestar.45

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    "The owner told me that he would not sell any cheap guns because then all the “gang bangers†would be coming around for guns too."

    Wow, didn't know that milsurp Makarovs were the latest range among "gang bangers" these days. :scrutiny: What a moron. I'd have been out of there too as soon as I heard the $600 Mak story and saw the trigger pulling of a gun he never checked to see if it was loaded.
     
  11. wiski

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    I just remembered another thing… he had a yellow sign that said “You can dry fire any gun in this shop. $75 fee.†Wonder if he put the cash in the till.
     
  12. hkOrion

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    Reminds me of

    a time i went to a range in Florida with the best man at my wedding. We went in to rent some guns, and the guy behind the counter just took them out (while covering us with the muzzles) and handed them over. Didn't check to see if they were unloaded, and just gave them to us. It was a one day thing, so I went ahead and shot, but as soon as we got into the range my buddy asked me - "Didn't you tell me never to point these things at anyone?" I said "Yep". Chalk one up for the newbie :) . Suffice to say I'll never be back there...
     
  13. swjr72

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    usually on gunbroker.com you can do a search for FFL's in your area Probably a lot safer than this guy
     
  14. yesterdaysyouth

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    380, 9mm, 9x21,9mm largo,38 super,357 sig, and 9x23 use a .355 dia bullet...


    9x18 ... .363 dia bullet...
     
  15. Tom Servo

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    True story from a friend who used to work Duval County: A "gang-banger" type stole a Mak from someone's car. It was unloaded, so Pimp-Daddy G took it, and presumably seeing a reference to "9mm" on the slide, shoehorned some 9x19 rounds into the mag.

    He was later pulled over and tried to engage the arresting officers with it. He pointed it at my friend, pulled the trigger, and the gun went bang. Only nothing came out the muzzle.

    Things didn't end well for our thug friend that night :rolleyes:

    Seriously, the big gang-banger guns are Glocks, cheap snubbies, and the Ring-of-Fire stuff. Not Eastern-Bloc holdovers from the Cold War. They want something they can take the magazine to Wal Mart and say, "hey, what fits in here." That's the extent of their expertise.
     
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    I consider my local gun shop owner to be an extremely safe person. He ALWAYS checks a gun when he gets it from the case and again when you hand it back to be put back in the case.

    The other day in his shop, I noticed him using a little plastic tool to put price tags on small items. When not making a tag, his trigger finger was appropriately along side the tool!

    BTW, he IS NOT long suffering of gun waving fools who bring them in and wave the muzzle at everybody in the shop either!
     
  17. flatdog

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    What is "Ring of fire stuff".

    Thanks :)

    flatdog
     
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    Looks like this guy's shop will not survive too long. EVERY new shooter is so precious, that I just could get overboard, hearing of such "Gun-Shop-Owners" loathing prospective customers away (especially women).

    High intelligence needed for sawing off the branch you are sitting on! :banghead:
     
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    "Gang-banger guns" are anything they can get their thieving, criminal hands on. As mentioned in your own post, bangers use maks. In this case unsuccessfully, but still.
     
  21. ACP230

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    Back when Soviet Communism was a going concern, Makarovs were rare in the U.S. The guy might have got $600 for a Mak then.
     
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    I think in this particular case, Ring of Fire refers to the low cost gun manufacturers located in (roughly) a circle in southern California. These included Bryco, Lorcin, Davis, Raven, Jennings, and I think a couple of others. Not the 'Ring of Fire' that refers to the volcanic and tectonic plate activity of the Pacific region.
     
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    Is this the only gun shop in the area? If not, what else does he sell to stay in business? :confused:
     
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    Thanks gentlemen,for southern Cal "Ring of Fire" explanation. I knew about the Pacific Rim but couldn't make the connection between it and firearms.

    I thought it might have something to do with a movie, video game or something.

    Seems like a mighty poor analogy from here. How did they come up with that one?

    flatdog
     
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