Bad Gun Shop Experience.

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Here are some of my reasons for going to a LGS: knowledgeable sales staff, ability to examine and feel firearms, and facility for immediate purchase. However, best price is not one of them.

Encompassing this experience is the expectation of polite and courteous service. How one is treated has a lot to do with making the purchasing decision. I am not one to be schmoozed but when one treats me with respect, it heightens the chance that I will come up in price, agree to a sale, or ever come back to the store.

There aren’t many good salesmen out there. Unfortunately, they are the people responsible for the reputation that a company establishes over time.
 
The OP's "bad" gun shop experience is pretty much a "typical" experience to me. 7 out of 9 gun stores in this my area have the same lack of CS/sales skills with their staff. You just roll with it, knowing the odds favor the guy behind the counter being a tacticool ninja or is bearing a mighty large chip on his shoulder. And that does not include the big box sporting goods stores, which bring CS apathy to a whole new level.

On the other hand, 2 of 9 stores have some of the most professional, friendly and accomodating staff I've run into in any trade. I go to them first, even though they are 20+ miles out of my way (compared to other LGS' that are just 3 miles away).

As far as the trade in value, that's not unusual. I've encountered anywhere from 60% down to 40% of "market value" - the worst being the argument that "yeah, I know this goes for $1000, but I can only give you $400, because I need to price it at $800 to make it move." And after you sell it, you find out they put a price tag of $1,100 on it. There are, unfortunately, quite a few shops like that out there.

The alternative is consignment, and the two shops I work with do 20% commission on consignment. Very fair and very transparent. They price fairly, and the products do move quickly.
 
Whether you like it or not, my experience in over 15 years of teaching pistol classes (12-15 students per class, 6 or 7 times a year) has been that significantly more women than men have difficulties with semi-automatics, primarily racking the slide and limp-wristing.

And instead of blanket saying his wife can't operate an autoloader, he should have her come in and try a few pistols first. I don't have the sample size of shooters you do, but I've taught a few women myself, and my wife held a beginners pistol day with all her coworkers using full sized to compact to mouse guns and none of them had any problems, so I think it's way over blown. My wife dislikes the grip and trigger of revolvers. I'm just absolutely fed up with the sexist, condescending, male member measuring behavior I see in the average LGS.
 
This sums up most of the local shops in my area. I'm actually happy it's that way because it saves me alot of money. If that wasn't good enough, researching & buying online has cured me of the instant gratification bug (which has plagued me for decades).

To be clear, I avoid LGSs completely. I don't go in and look at stuff or waste their time because I actually would feel a little guilty if I did that.
 
Thanks for all the replies everyone. As for the people defending the gun shop, I believe your wrong: As far as the low price I was quoted for the M&P, I've sold more than a few guns to a few different gun shops and never have been offered much lower than about 70% of what it's worth on the used market locally. If you have, then you need to sell to different gun shops because your being screwed over. Don't try to defend this place because your use to getting screwed and don't know any better.

Then as far as the salesman, I was ready to buy the rifle with cash in pocket. I was asking basic questions that anytime who is knowledgeable about rifles should know. I did not let him know I did any previous research on this gun before coming in. He was playing on my perceived ignorance, and when I asked a question he didn't like he either played ignorant or was a truly ignorant salesman who needs to be educated on the bare basics before being let to talk to customers. Either way he should be fired just on attitude alone. Smug, condescending, not interested in helping people. Just a disrespectful person.

I've been to possibly over a hundred different gun shops in my life and I have never delt with such an ignorant unhelpful person.
 
Sometimes we bring in an attitude - and sometimes a conflict in interpreting the expressions of the other communicator doesn't work out.

One thing for sure, it's not always the other guy - as said, you asked questions, and he did try to answer. I don't see where it's poor customer service to take a moment to think about answering to the best of their ability.

You still haven't proven you weren't badgering the counterman, and the reply hasn't settled who was being smug and condescending.

Nonetheless we all have these things pop up.

I was trying to buy a knife from a big box store, they are the exclusive retailer and it's not on the internet. I saw it while there but the salesperson was involved in finishing up a transaction for a rifle sale to a couple - even getting close to the counter display took some finesse. I took a look and left as it was going to be awhile and they weren't finished.

No big deal.

Went back two days later, same sales person, who was engaged with another person discussing the hundreds of thousands of dollars in markdowns the company had authorized, much less her share in the department. I positioned myself at the case, touching it, looking up at her and down into the case, no way to get a word in edgewise with the prattling.

In FIVE minutes time she and the other customer repeated the same information six - I counted - 6 times back and forth about the markdowns. There were two other salespersons standing there waiting who observed this.

I finally turned to leave - they aren't the only location I can shop from - and she finally broke it off to ask what was it I needed? After FIVE minutes of looking at her and staring in the case?

Gave her a casual half turn of the head and "No thanks." as I exited the department.

In relating this to a coworker he topped my story - went into a sporting goods box store to purchase a handgun, long display case full, and lots of customers milling around. Typical. The one salesperson was "educating" a couple about concealed carry, how to do it, which firearm to choose, etc.

He waited an half an hour when another customer bluntly interrupted and dragged the salesman off to look at an air rifle on display down an aisle. Five minutes later he was at a nearby gunstore and purchased the pistol, holster, and ammo - in less than ten minutes NICS check and all.

We both agreed it was better off we didn't actually make the transactions at the first store we tried at - handing us edged weapons or guns and ammo would have been risky. What we DO know working retail in OUR business is that IT'S A TWO WAY STREET, sometimes the salesperson isn't all there or on top of the game, sometimes the customer.

We get a lot of posts here complaining about gun store salespeople - I've had issues with them, too, the ignorance and hype are sometimes stunning. On the other hand, I've dealt with customers who either aren't qualified to open the hood of their car, or who, as I said, think they are right. They get so tightly focused on an issue or objective they can't see themselves as possibly doing it all wrong.

So, am I not going to ever buy something from that sporting goods department at the big box retailer? I checked two other stores - sold out. No, what working in retail off and on for 45 years has taught me is that things change and copping an attitude about a situation won't make it better.

If someone never wants to darken a doorway again, it's their choice. My take is that I will still enter the store and let them do it again, and again, and again - until they realize that 1) they can't chase off customers they have an issue with, and 2) they deal with me.

I have to do it on the other side of the counter, and frankly, after a number of visits, things get a lot better. We start to understand each other - better communication takes place - more transactions happen, to the benefit of both. Or, we discover that one of us is really being a jerk, which settles the issue.

Jerks don't get waited on, or have customers come to them. And that usually solves the issue soon enough as the message does get across.

What I discovered is that some people who are initially reticent in a first encounter are often a fountain of knowledge about the subject - but that once too often they have been treated harshly by others who demand they follow a set social protocol that only their demographic exercises. You aren't going to make a good first impression being a confrontational jock with a nerd - or an officious suit with a blue collar worker - or a well heeled playboy throwing money to solve a car toy problem with a knuckle scarred hot rodder.

Working retail, you soon learn to check your attitude at the door and just help people Unfortunately, the consumer no longer does, and the Golden Rule has been thrown under the bus in the rush to not lose face dealing with a knowledgeable and experienced worker. I've seen customers more interested in not looking bad than fixing their car. Get them all the time, and it's the same on forums. If you don't work retail the first and foremost weapon employed is to blame the sales person. Ok. Be that way.

We are used to it, and given time, what comes around goes around. I guarantee it.
 
The initial story is hinky. I'm local to the area in which Federal Way Discount Guns has its storefront, and they have a good reputation locally. There just aren't enough details in this thread to convince me it wasn't a case of two gentlemen communicating poorly.
 
And to comment that women can't operate an autoloader is about as absolute sexist as you can get.

Agreed. Most of my negative gunshop experiences are due to the shop disrespecting my wife. She can out shoot most guys, and she's comfortable with a revolver OR a semi-auto

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Scheel's, a chain in my area, will pay 75% of whatever they resell the gun at. For instance, if you buy a used gun and put a $400 price tag on it then they paid $300 for it. No BS about it. I've sold guns to them and stopped in the next day and they didn't lie- that was the markup they used. Maybe they have a slimmer margin due to selling lots of clothes and other sporting goods, I dunno.
 
I had one at dicks tell me That a 20 gauge slug wasn't enough for deer... in Arizona home of the 90 ibl soaking wet white tail.
I didn't even ask him any thing other than to get me the gun and the paperwork. And for the most part I don't bother asking store employees anything other than where's the bathroom as that is likely the only thing they will get right.
Granted I've always been of the mind that sales people should be seen and not heard unless spoken to, I've heard I'd like Europe in that regard.
But really just don't bother with sales people at all.
Just know what you want befor going in and know how to check it out (if it's somthing you find on the fly a smart phone and Google are your freinds) then get your stuff and head out to play with it.
 
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I always enjoy going to gun shows with something really desirable or unique, watch the table dealers and the wandering hawkers get all google eyed and drooly.
Wait for the inevitable questions,
"Are you trying to sell that?"
"Whatcha gotta have outta it?"

I tell them to start peeling hundreds and I'll tell you when to quit...

If you are trying to sell something common, .40 Glock, Ruger 10/22, pump shotgun, M&P anything, etc.
You just are NOT going to be offered anywhere near what you think the gun is worth, plain and simple, there are tons of them on the market.

The gun business works EXACTLY the same as the car business.
There is the rare and desirable and there is the everyday Chevy Cavalier.

If you encounter a less than responsive counterman you can either, go somewhere else or wait and try another day.
Mind you I am not standing up for the lack of counter help enthusiasm but the guy or gal may just be having one bad day and you were unlucky enough to wander in on that day.
 
Your first paragraph describes very problematic behavior. It does sound like he was hiding something.

Your second paragraph should not be an issue. You asked him for an offer and got one. I never understood why people get offended by or low offers. Just more on. It's like people coming on here to gripe about some on line vendor like CTD charging too much. They are selling to someone.

Mike
 
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