Gun Show - Parents control your KIDS!!!

[MikeIsaj]

When my son got his BB gun it was an opportunity to learn good firearms habits. He is expected to handle his B gun in the back yard in the same manner he would handle a firearm on the range. These parents should loose their license to breed.

I am also going to steal the second hand children line. I hope I remember it next time the oportunity comes up.

 

[The Freeholder]

I don't think my son or daughter would ever even attempt such foolishness--Daddy has a notoriously short fuse on tom-foolery at gunshows.

That said, if they ever did such a thing, they would find themselves short 3 new toys. Along with most other entertainment items for the foreseeable future.

And that said, I don't believe in toy guns. My kids don't have them, as I think they promote poor habits. However, they have full access to my guns on request and under my supervision. And we make range trips just about any time someone asks. The way I see it, if you own a swimming pool, you drown-proof your kids as a safety measure. I'm "gun-proofing" mine.

 

[DesertRat]

I would have had my A$$ handed to me by my father.
That scenario is a no-go!

 

[Stevie-Ray]

There are just too many places where the [ahem] parents let the kids roam free...I NEVER got away with that as a kid.

Under age 10 kids pawing through the rolls, fruits, etc at the buffet...

Kids running through the aisles during the movie....

Kids that emit 5 or 6 primal screams per minute in the nicer restaurants

I say something to them now. Never touch them, but use your voice. Last time in a theatre, naturally a kid sat behind me watching a movie that he wasn't the least interested in and shouldn't have attended, anyway. His mouth ran for several minutes and then he started kicking my chair. I turned around and said, "KNOCK IT OFF!" He was stunned into silence, but then of course his idiotic father said, "Who the hell do you think you are talking to my son like that?" I said, "Somebody that is going to take you outside if you don't control him in here!" From about 2 rows back, I heard, "And I'll help!"

They got up and left.

 

[Sindawe]

Once the Dad was finished buying them the kids grab them and start running up and down the isle pretending to shoot each other and anyone else that they pass. The funny thing is that the parents didn't say a word to them.

There are several terms for those sort of folks on a usenet group I frequent. "Breeders, not Parents" is one of the more polite terms, to define those sort to have kids and let them run amuck like crack addicted macaques on acid. Sounds like my fellow HighRoaders are the converse, "Parents, not Breeders"

There is also "You broke it-you bought it". The parents of the kid who trashed the Swarovski should've been out $1400. It's their duty to be aware of where their kid is and keep it in line.

That worked QUITE well with me when I was a child of 6. This was during the "Love-In" phase of American culture in the late '60s. A local Dept. store had a display of all sorts of cool psychodelic stuff on display, all illuminated by black lights. I inadvertently knocked over some small cheapo ceramic nick-nack and it went crashng to the floor. My parents had to pay for it of course, while I was made to stand by in horrid embaresment. Then I had to pay 'em back out of birthday and Christmas money. I was always aware of what I could knock over after that point, and ask before picking others folk's stuff up.

 

[XLMiguel]

Threads like this really set me off. We live in an affluent, consumption-oriented area where the children are way overindulged and under-disciplined, and the experience has left me with the opinion that kids under 14 should be leashed at all time. I am sooooo glad we didn't have kids, I have next to no patience for them, less for their brain-dead parents, and I hate it! Every time I hear some dweebescent bliss-ninney say anything about "for the kids . . ." I just want to puke, because the majority of the kids I see daily are so unworthy, I don't want to save them, and I hate it. I see so many more BRATS than nice kids when I'm out and about, it's just really depressing.

One of the things that came forth during the 60's, particularly after Kent State, was the thought 'that a nation that hates it's young cannot survive', and I just feel so bad that I feel that way.

Kudos to all of you all who do make the effort and are rearing the good ones, but I fear you are in the minority and that we, as a society, are losing the battle. Very sad, I am.

 

[dolanp]

I feel the exact same way Mike.


My wife sold some light fixture to a woman in our neighborhood once, and she brought her little hellraiser with her, boy I wanted to strangle that kid. As soon as he gets in the house, he walks in every room, turns the lights on, and starts fondling everything he can get his hands on. The kid was like 8, no excuse. The mother just watched and once in a while she would just softly say 'Be careful' or some other useless and unenforced phrase. Then the kid finds a laptop and starts banging on the keyboard while my wife's work is sitting there. My blood started to boil and I was like half a second from giving this kid a reality check but his mother finally made him stop at that point. You want to beat the kids because they are just so rotten but you know it's really the dumb parents faults for being such lame asses. Sorry for the description but those people really touch a nerve. Those kids are going to grow up and keep contributing to the epidemic of this nation where nobody has personal responsibility.

 

[CAPTAIN MIKE]

The Rules of the Road

My children have learned the four basic rules of gun safety from an early age during our trips to the range. They also have learned Dad's version of the rules pertaining to how to handle the situation if they 'find' a gun at one of their friends' houses, etc.

In my opinion, the parents of the children deserve a 'wake up' call as to the proper behavior of anyone -- adult or child -- at a gunshow. When I attend them, I see most people practicing good firearms safety procedures when handling firearms, irrespective of their status as real or play guns. Yes, I too ran around as a little boy playing soldier and SWAT team, just as my little boy does, but he knows if other kids are around, his finger is to remain OUT of the trigger guard so he reinforces good habits.

Parents at gun shows need to control their kids, pure and simple.

 

[mohican]

Tony Mig

I'm a professional fire fighter and Emergency Medical Tech with 20 years on the job. I also enjoy eating, and at 48 years of age, it shows. I'm not the model of male fitness, but I can still climb a 100 foor ladder in full turnout gear, drag a charged hose to the second floor, wet down a room, and drag a burning wet matress back out, and I've yet to drop a medical patient no matter how heavy they might be. Besides, this spare tire around my mid-section has had no ill effects on my ability to teach my children table manners, or gun safety.....

A vollie chief to a full timer - ATTABOY!!!!

 

[hso]

This is why kids are banned at the SHOT Show.

The children's behavior is a direct reflection of the parents competency. The kids should have never been given the airsofts if they could not carry them through the show without playing with them. Bust their butts or ban the whole family if the kids aren't under control.

 

[MikeB]

I say something to them now. Never touch them, but use your voice. Last time in a theatre, naturally a kid sat behind me watching a movie that he wasn't the least interested in and shouldn't have attended, anyway. His mouth ran for several minutes and then he started kicking my chair. I turned around and said, "KNOCK IT OFF!" He was stunned into silence, but then of course his idiotic father said, "Who the hell do you think you are talking to my son like that?" I said, "Somebody that is going to take you outside if you don't control him in here!" From about 2 rows back, I heard, "And I'll help!"

You gotta be careful doing that. I had a similiar situation. Kid kicking the back of my seat for over an hour at a movie. After several turn around and give a look to the father did nothing, I said loudly "Stop kicking the back of my seat." The father then tells the kid not to worry and that he wasn't doing anything wrong. The father who was almost twice my weight and had a good 8 to 10 inches on me then follows me into the bathroom after the movie and blocks the door so I couldn't get out and took a swing at me. After I blocked it, he faked another swing and started mouthing off about scaring me like I scared his kid. Huh?

Unfortunately at the time I didn't have a CCW and my cell phone was in the car. I was yelling for someone to call the police the entire time as if he took one more swing at me he was going to lose a kneecap and I didn't want to do that and risk me being the one arrested. Anyways the manager of the theater never bothered to call the police and neither did anyone else. The manager told me I should have gotten up and complained to an employee. So I'm supposed to miss part of the movie, instead of the parent controlling their kid?

 

[wingman]

I attended the San Antonio gunshow this past weekend and seen some of the same behavior, as a senior I find it sad both for the parents and children.

Personally I have just about give up on gunshows most dealers have an attitude, they have the same old junk, dusty overpriced they have had six months, if lucky you may find one dealer at the show who knows what he
is doing. I can't speak for the rest of the country but in my area gunshows
stink.

 

[dolanp]

MikeB, that guy was messed up. Good reason to carry OC spray as well.

 

[Old Guy]

Second hand kids, love it.

My English born Son and Daughter eat properly, knife and fork, sit up straight, take food to mouth, and not dip head into bowl!
My twelve year old American born Grandchild eats like a pig!
Well rather he did, till I had him sit away from Granny and I, way away, the other end of the room.
"But Papa, I am American" "and I am paying for your meal right?" we reached an amicable agreement as to behavior, quickly.

When he stays with us, which he does now and again, he behaves, I do not take it, the bad stuff, just had to lock his game boy in the trunk, just once, cured.
Now having made those statements, I am 70 YOA this year, and the UK is the worst in the world for violent and loutish children.
I left in 1965, so I suppose the same comparison could be made anywhere.

 

[MikeB]

MikeB, that guy was messed up. Good reason to carry OC spray as well.

Probably wouldn't have done me any good. Small enclosed bathroom; I would have probably gotten it as good as he did. As well the real problem was he and I were the only ones in the bathroom. I have long hair and look very young, even younger back then. I had real concerns what was going to happen if it turned into a he said/he said deal with no witnesses if the police did show up and I had had to hurt him or even pulled my knife. That's why I was yelling for someone to call the police, I hoped at least that would help my case if I had to take him down, which I would have to do quick. A bathroom with all the porcelain and metal fixtures is no place to start getting tossed around by someone twice your weight.

Anyways sorry for the thread drift here.

 

[xdoctor]

I remember causing a scene in a grocery store when I was about six. I remember my mother dragging me out to the car... When I woke up, I was nine.

 

[torpid]

xdoctor =

 

[Farnham]

+1 for Mike in VA!

My wife (who has less maternal instinct than George S Patton, bless her heart ) also agrees.

I'm definitely using the second hand children term, too, that had me rolling.

S/F

Farnham

 

[dave3006]

I stand by my statement. Self control in this society is arbitrary. Most people are out of control in some area of their life: kids, weight, actions ect...

That's why everything you watch on TV has to have the word "extreme" in it. Balance is not good enough. We have to have more, more, more...

 

[torpid]

Our society is not into self control. Look at the guts of the next 10 people you see. If it feels good, do it. Gluttony reigns. Screw the other guy. I can do what I want...

...I stand by my statement. Self control in this society is arbitrary. Most people are out of control in some area of their life: kids, weight, actions ect...

Our society is not into self control. Look at the posts of the next 10 people you see who say "ect" instead of "etc." If it feels good, do it. Misspelling reigns. Screw the other guy. I can do what I want.

I stand by my statement.

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

i once had a guy who identified himself as a U.S. Marine with about six 10-11 year old kids with him at an Austin Gun Show. they came over and proceeded to pick up my rifles and then drop them on the table without any sort of concern. i told the Marine to keep control of these kids after one of them picked up an UZI about six inches off the table then let go of it and dropped it (IMI Model B pre-89 semi) onto the table.

the Marine's reply was that he could take these kids to the "base" (wherever that is, there is no Marine base anywhere near Austin) and let them play with "alot more guns."

i told him to take himself up on his own offer and take the group of kids to the base and let them play with the USMC's guns. somehow i think his C.O. would strongly disagree.

idiot. [guy above, not wingman]

wingman wrote:

"I attended the San Antonio gunshow this past weekend...Personally I have just about give up on gunshows most dealers have an attitude, they have the same old junk, dusty overpriced they have had six months, if lucky you may find one dealer at the show who knows what he is doing. I can't speak for the rest of the country but in my area gunshows
stink"

i dont know which dealers you went by but i dont think i have any inventory over 6 months old. i sold every new AR-15 I had on my table (8), picked up a Galil in trade, sold 1 VEPR, and a few pistols. sold a few AR stripped lowers too.

i hope i know what im doing......i grossed $11000 in sales in two days. im also a Bushmaster Certified Armorer?

 

[richyoung]

Look at the guts of the next 10 people you see. If it feels good, do it. Gluttony reigns.

That is the most profoundly uneducated and mean-spirited remark I have has the displeasure of reading in a long time. I hope to heaven you or someone you love never has to struggle with obesity.


{Edited to change the "ever" into the "never it was supposed ot be...}

 

[Okiecruffler]

One of my favorite moments was at a local mall, standing in line for an Antie Anne's pretzel. The young woman ordering in front of me had a young child, a boy of about 4 or 5, who kept playing with the swinging lid of the trash can. The first time she said,"Honey stop that, it's dirty." The second time she said, "Dear, I'm not going to tell you again." The third time, WHACK!!! right to the back of the head. There wasn't a fourth time. The look of absolute disbelief on the faces of the others in line was priceless. I guess she was a firm believer in 3 strikes and you're out.

And as an aside, even tho' I've lost over 60lbs in the past 8 months I still have at least 50 to go. But no one has ever had the lack of grace, or lack of common sense to say anything about it in my presence. Go figure...

 

[buzz_knox]

That's totally unacceptable behavior. Unfortunately, you see worse behavior among the adults who walk around with actual weapons routinely pointed at everyone else (often with the trigger finger in the absolute worst location), including the occasional use of the weapon as a pointer.

I've never seen kids running around a gun show in a couple decades of attending them. But every show I see idiots violating every rule of gun safety.

 

[roo_ster]

As a kid, such behavior from me would have lasted as long as it took dad or mom to catch up with me and take me in hand & do what was required to gain my compliance.

I have not seen such behavior at gunshows. Every once in a while I'll see some poor gunhandling.