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I went to a gun shop this afternoon for NFA engraving on two items. I was a little taken back by the atmosphere of the shop. The shop does lots of custom work (machining, Cerakote, engraving, gunsmithing/modifying/rebuilding firearms). The shop has a manufacturing license and an SOT.

There were a number of guns on display. I am not sure if they were for sale or displayed to showcase their Cerakote jobs. Most of these guns were ARs, AKs, and subguns outfitted with suppressors.

The shop was fairly busy. As I was waiting for my engraving, an employee had an appointment with a customer. The customer's father had died, resulting in his mother being in possession of an MP5 and a Colt SP1, both of which were full-auto and registered. The gentleman was attempting to sell the two items. It was rather odd that the conversation was involving tens of thousands of dollars and a family death, but yet the employee and customer were discussing it in front of everyone else in the shop. I'm not saying that it was completely inappropriate, especially if the customer was fine with it, but I just would have expected them to have relocated to another part of the building so everyone in the store wouldn't be privy to the 1.5 hour-long conversation.

There was a young guy who walked in and explained that he recently purchased an AR15 and had a grip and a cheap (looked to be an NCStar) reflex sight that needed to be installed. He asked if they could do it. One of the employees went back and installed both items in about 10 minutes. They charged him $85!

Before anyone chimes in and lectures everyone about how businesses can charge whatever they want, shops have expenses that they need to cover, how it's foolish to charge less than what you could charge, etc., I'll offer a few thoughts. 1) The customer was not told the cost of the service in advance. 2) Just because people might pay something doesn't mean that a business should charge it. It may actually be detrimental to charge a high amount as doing so may discourage interest, thereby reducing the potential pool of customers. 3) There is a fine line between making a profit and taking advantage of someone.

I viewed the interaction today as one in which a shop was able to take advantage of a kid's lack of familiarity with guns (he told an employee that he was just getting into guns and that this was his first). The job took 10 minutes, maybe. Swapping an AR grip and installing a reflex sight (no leveling of reticles, lapping of rings, etc) are basic tasks that one can accomplish with a flathead screwdriver.

The me, the situation was rather off-putting to the extent that I have decided not to patronize the shop in the future. The NFA engraving work that they performed for me was great, but their interaction with that kid rubbed me enough that I'll take spend my money elsewhere. I would have had a vastly different impression had they charged him $20 or done it for free and told him, "hopefully you'll come to us if you need something in the future."

I'm curious to know from other members that own/work in gun shops what your thoughts are. I'm also curious if anyone else has had similar experiences or encountered a situation that pushed you away from a shop or earned your loyalty.
 
Businesses simply cannot give their products, services, and expertise away for free.
I think to my recent dental cleaning and it makes that installation seem like a bargain!
 
Businesses simply cannot give their products, services, and expertise away for free.
I think to my recent dental cleaning and it makes that installation seem like a bargain!

To your point about businesses being unable to “give their products, services, and expertise away for free,” at face value this is true, but I have had businesses do something for me for free. For instance, I had a minor issue with my car and I took it to the car shop. I received a phone call the next day. They shop said that they had looked at my car, tested everything and that they were unsure of the exact issue, but that it was minor, would not impact safety, and that they did not want to throw parts at something whose cause they could not pinpoint. When I went to pick up my car, I asked how much I owed; they said they weren’t going to charge me since they couldn’t pinpoint the root cause of the problem. So despite them having to commit time and expertise, that shop did not charge me. And for their humanity, I went to them a few months later when My car needed maintenance and happily paid them. I could have gone elsewhere, but because they treated me well and didn’t charge me (did something for free), they became and remain my go-to shop.

My point is that I think businesses sometimes think about the short term benefits (made a quick $85 off a kid) instead of the potential long term benefits (let’s do him a solid now so that we can gain his loyalty and show the other customers that we aren’t just greedy profiteers).

I completely agree that businesses exist to make money. That said, a business might stand to make more money through a large base of happy and loyal customers.

And I definitely agree that $85 is chump change compared to dental visits! Haha.
 
Businesses simply cannot give their products, services, and expertise away for free.
I think to my recent dental cleaning and it makes that installation seem like a bargain!
Bet you spent more than 10 minutes in the dental hygienist's chair, though. Multiply your time spent for a cleaning at $510 per hour and I would be willing to bet you got the better part of that deal.
 
Every Business gets the case of greed. Guns are just one of them now.

example, was at a Sportsman today and they had some powder, on a list, they ask “What bottle you need” I said H110, And ask for the price… Clerk was like, why you even asking about price….$39 … “Naw, to expensive, I’ll pass”

Clerk gave me the “WHAT” face.

Yeah, gun shops have changed, But I have not! lol
 
Hopefully it was a learning experience for the kid. What he should've done was Google it and done it himself if he had everything he needed.

If someone slapped a scope on my rifle and was done in 10 minutes, I'd be skeptical of how well it was done. There are a few steps to properly installing a scope, red dot... If done properly, it's going to take over 10 minutes.

Had it taken an hour or so to get the job done, I could see them charging the $85. Anyway, hope that kid learns how to work on his firearms. If not, those kind of prices could ruin his passion for his new hobby.
 
I once saw a business mount a scope for a naive kid for $50. The same business mounted a scope for one of their very knowledgeable and repeat customers for…$50.

They also charge $40 for transfers. Doesn’t matter who it is.

Who was taken advantage of in these situations?

It sounds like a pretty high end (and high overhead) shop dealing in things that have a high barrier of entry to deal in.

Maybe a little unprofessional but IME, shops like this generally are.
 
Hopefully it was a learning experience for the kid. What he should've done was Google it and done it himself if he had everything he needed.

If someone slapped a scope on my rifle and was done in 10 minutes, I'd be skeptical of how well it was done. There are a few steps to properly installing a scope, red dot... If done properly, it's going to take over 10 minutes.

Had it taken an hour or so to get the job done, I could see them charging the $85. Anyway, hope that kid learns how to work on his firearms. If not, those kind of prices could ruin his passion for his new hobby.
100% - young man could have bought a toque wrench set and youtube “How to”

we all get taken, and if $85 is a lesson learned, not bad for NOT asking “How Much”
 
It is kind of like a bicycle shop where a customer buys his BSO (bicycle shaped object) at Walmart or Amazon and then when it arrives in a box they haul it to the local retail bicycle shop who actually sells real bicycles and then asks them to put it together. The reason bicycles sold at a retail shop cost more is they are rebuildable, serviceable and hand adjusted, have a warranty and are meant to last. So the shop then charges the customer the difference they would have paid between the bike shop bicycle and the Walmart...com BSO to assemble and adjust the piece of junk which of course is still junk. Makes sense to me. The kid bought some gun junk on Amazon and then brought it in for the retail gun store to install, why should they do it for free? Had he bought the items from them perhaps they might have done it for free.

3C
 
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It is kind of like a bicycle shop where a customer buys his BSO (bicycle shaped object) at Walmart or Amazon and then when it arrives in a box they haul it to the local retail bicycle shop who actually sells real bicycles and then asks them to put it together. The reason bicycles sold at a retail shop cost more is they are rebuildable, serviceable and hand adjusted, have a warranty and are meant to last. So the shop then charges the customer the difference they would have paid between the bike shop bicycle and the Walmart.com BSO to assemble and adjust the piece of junk. Makes sense to me. The kid bought some gun junk on Amazon and then brought it in to the retail gun store to install, why should they do it for free? Had he bought the items from them perhaps they might have done it for free.

3C
we all did dumb things when we were young. But it’s the real world and it doesn’t have mercy for the weak,
 
There was a young guy who walked in and explained that he recently purchased an AR15 and had a grip and a cheap (looked to be an NCStar) reflex sight that needed to be installed. He asked if they could do it. One of the employees went back and installed both items in about 10 minutes. They charged him $85!

The kid bought some gun junk on Amazon and then brought it in to the retail gun store to install, why should they do it for free? Had he bought the items from them perhaps they might have done it for free.

3C

Good point @3Crows. It's like the old cartoon I'd see in car repair shops back in the day with a guy taking his own steak to a restaurant and asking them to cook it for him.
 
If it is a junk red dot or a really good one the installation should be about the same. $85 for a 10 minute red dot mount job is a total ripoff, I don't care where you are doing business. My LGS will mount your scope or red dot that you bring in and bore sight it for five bucks. Buy the equipment from him and it's free. Established customers are also not charged for mounting either if he didn't sell it. It seems to be working as he has been in business for years and sells lots of guns. Personally if someone isn't mechanically savvy enough to mount a red dot I wonder if they are savvy enough to be shooting a gun.
 
If it is a junk red dot or a really good one the installation should be about the same. $85 for a 10 minute red dot mount job is a total ripoff, I don't care where you are doing business. My LGS will mount your scope or red dot that you bring in and bore sight it for five bucks. Buy the equipment from him and it's free. Established customers are also not charged for mounting either if he didn't sell it. It seems to be working as he has been in business for years and sells lots of guns. Personally if someone isn't mechanically savvy enough to mount a red dot I wonder if they are savvy enough to be shooting a gun.
Good write up! to gun a AR properly, you have to understand the mechanics. let alone clearing jams and such
 
There was a young guy who walked in and explained that he recently purchased an AR15 and had a grip and a cheap (looked to be an NCStar) reflex sight that needed to be installed. He asked if they could do it. One of the employees went back and installed both items in about 10 minutes. They charged him $85!

Did it have a compatible base, etc? Too little info to make an informed decision.

While it seems ludicrous to change more for install than the part cost. You must not have been to a mechanic lately?
 
Might be mess up to charge a whole lot for something so simple without telling them first but hey, you gotta make money.

A gunsmith near me checked my ak underfolder that had a stock that wouldn't lock. He told me the issue and since he didn't have the part on hand, he didn't charge me. I was able to fix the stock myself later on, but he did earn my patronage down the road when need it.
 
I wanted a skinner peep sight on the receiver cover for my Henry golden boy 22lr. Skinner will drill and tap the cover if you remove it and send it in for ~$50, includes return shipping. I didn’t want to remove and replace the cover myself and asked a local gunsmith how much he would charge for the install, “definitely less than $100” he said. That was easier for me and worth the extra money. When I went to pick it up his wife said the charge was $140. Why? He had to spend more time doing the job she said. I bit my tongue, paid and left, for the last time.
 
The gun shop I worked at (owned by a close friend) for a while after I retired from the mil would have done that job for free and shown the kid how to do it. That is the way we did business 1- because its the right thing to do 2- because the customer would not only want to come back and spend $, he or she would tell others about the experience and help with the overall reputation of the business. Also, our policy was for free installation of any drop-in parts (like most AR stuff) for any parts bought from the shop. Customers could expect to pay a $10 fee for things like installation of Glock sights that they had bought somewhere else. We were in a military town with lots of service members and lots of competition from other gun shops. As far as the NFA conversation, the owner would have probably had that chat with the customer in his office, or even gone next door to treat him to lunch or something while they discussed it. That's a lot of $ to just leave a customer standing at a counter like its McDonalds while discussing a deal that costs as much as a Harley.
 
I went to a gun shop this afternoon for NFA engraving on two items. I was a little taken back by the atmosphere of the shop. The shop does lots of custom work (machining, Cerakote, engraving, gunsmithing/modifying/rebuilding firearms). The shop has a manufacturing license and an SOT.

There were a number of guns on display. I am not sure if they were for sale or displayed to showcase their Cerakote jobs. Most of these guns were ARs, AKs, and subguns outfitted with suppressors.

The shop was fairly busy. As I was waiting for my engraving, an employee had an appointment with a customer. The customer's father had died, resulting in his mother being in possession of an MP5 and a Colt SP1, both of which were full-auto and registered. The gentleman was attempting to sell the two items. It was rather odd that the conversation was involving tens of thousands of dollars and a family death, but yet the employee and customer were discussing it in front of everyone else in the shop. I'm not saying that it was completely inappropriate, especially if the customer was fine with it, but I just would have expected them to have relocated to another part of the building so everyone in the store wouldn't be privy to the 1.5 hour-long conversation.
The customer could have walked at any time.
There may not be another part of the store that is accessible to customers. Often security concerns and insurance restrictions dictate "customer areas".



There was a young guy who walked in and explained that he recently purchased an AR15 and had a grip and a cheap (looked to be an NCStar) reflex sight that needed to be installed. He asked if they could do it. One of the employees went back and installed both items in about 10 minutes. They charged him $85!
Brownells polls gun shops for their typical shop charges every so often: https://www.brownells.com/userdocs/miscellaneous/shoppricesurvey.pdf
$85 does not seem excessive. If it does, then the young man better learn how to install an AR grip himself.:D Not to mention repairs performed "while you wait" are almost always priced at a premium.

I'll offer a few thoughts. 1) The customer was not told the cost of the service in advance.
Then he should have asked. Often its not possible to get a "cost of service" for repair work until the repair is complete. My plumber doesn't do it, my A/C guy doesn't, my tech at the car dealership doesn't. They may give a range, but rarely an exact price.


2) Just because people might pay something doesn't mean that a business should charge it. It may actually be detrimental to charge a high amount as doing so may discourage interest, thereby reducing the potential pool of customers.
How do you figure he was overcharged?
Often the cost charged isn't for the small, easy repair.....but because the gun shop has to keep a gunsmith employed. Having someone available costs $$$ whether there are customers or not.

When I do transfers, my transfer fee isn't calculated by how much time I spend with the customer when he comes and picks up. He may be here five minutes tops. My transfer fee is charged because I hold an FFL. Unpacking the firearm, recording the acquisition on my bound book and preparing the 4473 before the customer arrives is only part of what I calculate in setting my fees. Yet I know every day people leave here thinking Tom just made $20 for five minutes work. :rofl: They don't see my alarm bill, my dealers inventory insurance, the time spent maintaining my records or anything else.




3) There is a fine line between making a profit and taking advantage of someone.
Not only was the charge not excessive, you have no idea if the store made a profit. You saw one transaction. You have no idea if the store sees enough repairs to cover the expenses of employing a gunsmith or clerk to perform repairs.

I viewed the interaction today as one in which a shop was able to take advantage of a kid's lack of familiarity with guns (he told an employee that he was just getting into guns and that this was his first). The job took 10 minutes, maybe. Swapping an AR grip and installing a reflex sight (no leveling of reticles, lapping of rings, etc) are basic tasks that one can accomplish with a flathead screwdriver.
Which is irrelevant.
1. Customer came to them, for a service they charge for.
2. The cost of the repair was normal.
3. How long it took....has no bearing.
4. Being ignorant may be expensive. Learn how to do it yourself. No one forced the kid to bring the gun in. He easily could have asked a friend, watched one of a thousand YouTube tutorials or read the freaking instructions on the box.


The me, the situation was rather off-putting to the extent that I have decided not to patronize the shop in the future. The NFA engraving work that they performed for me was great, but their interaction with that kid rubbed me enough that I'll take spend my money elsewhere. I would have had a vastly different impression had they charged him $20 or done it for free and told him, "hopefully you'll come to us if you need something in the future."
You should run them out of business doing free gun repairs.
Seriously, if the kid bought the grip there, they would likely have done the install free. Happens all the time with night sights. But good grief, the kid likely bought his grip and reflex sight from Amazon and you expect the shop to provide free labor? Wow. o_O

I'm curious to know from other members that own/work in gun shops what your thoughts are.
I think your conclusions about the shop, their fees and the entire situation is out of line.




I'm also curious if anyone else has had similar experiences or encountered a situation that pushed you away from a shop or earned your loyalty.
Be treated politely, attended to promptly and being thanked for my business. Rude clerks means you dont get my business.
 
The customer could have walked at any time.
There may not be another part of the store that is accessible to customers. Often security concerns and insurance restrictions dictate "customer areas".




Brownells polls gun shops for their typical shop charges every so often: https://www.brownells.com/userdocs/miscellaneous/shoppricesurvey.pdf
$85 does not seem excessive. If it does, then the young man better learn how to install an AR grip himself.:D Not to mention repairs performed "while you wait" are almost always priced at a premium.


Then he should have asked. Often its not possible to get a "cost of service" for repair work until the repair is complete. My plumber doesn't do it, my A/C guy doesn't, my tech at the car dealership doesn't. They may give a range, but rarely an exact price.



How do you figure he was overcharged?
Often the cost charged isn't for the small, easy repair.....but because the gun shop has to keep a gunsmith employed. Having someone available costs $$$ whether there are customers or not.

When I do transfers, my transfer fee isn't calculated by how much time I spend with the customer when he comes and picks up. He may be here five minutes tops. My transfer fee is charged because I hold an FFL. Unpacking the firearm, recording the acquisition on my bound book and preparing the 4473 before the customer arrives is only part of what I calculate in setting my fees. Yet I know every day people leave here thinking Tom just made $20 for five minutes work. :rofl: They don't see my alarm bill, my dealers inventory insurance, the time spent maintaining my records or anything else.





Not only was the charge not excessive, you have no idea if the store made a profit. You saw one transaction. You have no idea if the store sees enough repairs to cover the expenses of employing a gunsmith or clerk to perform repairs.


Which is irrelevant.
1. Customer came to them, for a service they charge for.
2. The cost of the repair was normal.
3. How long it took....has no bearing.
4. Being ignorant may be expensive. Learn how to do it yourself. No one forced the kid to bring the gun in. He easily could have asked a friend, watched one of a thousand YouTube tutorials or read the freaking instructions on the box.



You should run them out of business doing free gun repairs.
Seriously, if the kid bought the grip there, they would likely have done the install free. Happens all the time with night sights. But good grief, the kid likely bought his grip and reflex sight from Amazon and you expect the shop to provide free labor? Wow. o_O


I think your conclusions about the shop, their fees and the entire situation is out of line.





Be treated politely, attended to promptly and being thanked for my business. Rude clerks means you dont get my business.

Well said!!!!
 
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