Tanfoligio has one made especially for woman.
It's called the Lady Force
here is the link to it.
Lady Force
It's called the Lady Force
here is the link to it.
Lady Force
Guns for chicks
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My wife shoots my father's 1911's better than I do (better than he does too...snicker), but prefers to carry a smaller/lighter gun.
Good posts here... especially feedthehogs and C.R. Sam.....
Stole my thunder...
I spent a lot of money on many guns and learned many lessons on the way to making my 4'9", 85 pound wife happy.
First, people come in all sizes and that is the only issue. If you are shooting shotguns then breasts come into play, but not with handguns..at least I would hope that they don't have a role to play. So, we are discussing a people size issue...other than how pretty a Lady Smith may be...
My wife had real problems with semi-auto racking of the slide...but so did my dad. My wife had a problem with loading 9mm into a magazine..so did my father.
Wife's solution:
S&W Model 66 4" with Jerry Miculek grips and SP-101 3" stock..trigger job.
Father's solution: S&W 66 4" & Walther P-99 in .40. No problem racking the Walther and the .40 is easier to load.... .45 ACP even easier..comes with multiple/grips..including a grip for small hands Also, many of the Berettas are relatively easy to rack.
Stole my thunder...
I spent a lot of money on many guns and learned many lessons on the way to making my 4'9", 85 pound wife happy.
First, people come in all sizes and that is the only issue. If you are shooting shotguns then breasts come into play, but not with handguns..at least I would hope that they don't have a role to play. So, we are discussing a people size issue...other than how pretty a Lady Smith may be...
My wife had real problems with semi-auto racking of the slide...but so did my dad. My wife had a problem with loading 9mm into a magazine..so did my father.
Wife's solution:
S&W Model 66 4" with Jerry Miculek grips and SP-101 3" stock..trigger job.
Father's solution: S&W 66 4" & Walther P-99 in .40. No problem racking the Walther and the .40 is easier to load.... .45 ACP even easier..comes with multiple/grips..including a grip for small hands Also, many of the Berettas are relatively easy to rack.
Keith
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Interesting.
My wife is of the petite variety and doesn't shoot long guns well. Pump guns are a bad idea for someone without much upper body strength.
Baikal makes a damned nice little short-barreled double shotgun in 20 and 12 gauge for about $200. I think that would make an excellent home defense "long" gun for a small woman.
Or how about an M1 Carbine stoked with softnoses? The recoil is negligible and ANYONE can handle one of these.
Keith
My wife is of the petite variety and doesn't shoot long guns well. Pump guns are a bad idea for someone without much upper body strength.
Baikal makes a damned nice little short-barreled double shotgun in 20 and 12 gauge for about $200. I think that would make an excellent home defense "long" gun for a small woman.
Or how about an M1 Carbine stoked with softnoses? The recoil is negligible and ANYONE can handle one of these.
Keith
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I am 5'8", wear a size 16 1/2 by 33 shirt. Shortening the standard stocks on my Browning A-bolts by 3/4" reduced my group size by about 1/2 (50%).
Replacing my Mossberg 500 standard stock with a bantam stock (grind to fit) completely eliminated felt recoil, to the point where after 2 full days at Front Sight shooting slugs and 00 buck, I had no soreness at all in my shoulder. I have no doubt that with the bantam stock, I could run off several hundred slug loads without any unpleasant sensation whatsoever.
My only regret is that I didn't knock 1" or 1 1/4" off the rifle stocks.
Even youth size shotguns may have too long an LOP for smaller sized people.
God bless and y'all be careful out there.
I am 5'8", wear a size 16 1/2 by 33 shirt. Shortening the standard stocks on my Browning A-bolts by 3/4" reduced my group size by about 1/2 (50%).
Replacing my Mossberg 500 standard stock with a bantam stock (grind to fit) completely eliminated felt recoil, to the point where after 2 full days at Front Sight shooting slugs and 00 buck, I had no soreness at all in my shoulder. I have no doubt that with the bantam stock, I could run off several hundred slug loads without any unpleasant sensation whatsoever.
My only regret is that I didn't knock 1" or 1 1/4" off the rifle stocks.
Even youth size shotguns may have too long an LOP for smaller sized people.
God bless and y'all be careful out there.
Mr Kablammo
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Women and Guns magazine just ran an article about the Berreta 96, IIRC. In the pictures, the lady seemed real happy shooting it. The grip seems to be smaller than the 92f and fits a women's hands better. Also, it is a DAO so once it is chambered its 'point and pull'. I thought that Berreta made a .32 for ladies, the one where the barrel pops up for loading the first round. What about the Browning BDA in .380? It is pretty enough to be a ladies model.
Dilettante
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The poor guy probably couldn't concentrate for the rest of the day
(On the other hand, if he was really a prick, I hope you made a fool of him.)
C.R.Sam
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I was assembled even worse than Geezer.
5'8"....16.5 or 17 neck....and 30" sleeves.
No arm length....no long gun stocks fit without whackin on em.
Sam.....think my parents lost the assembly instructions.
5'8"....16.5 or 17 neck....and 30" sleeves.
No arm length....no long gun stocks fit without whackin on em.
Sam.....think my parents lost the assembly instructions.
Brian Dale
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My sister's a gun gal; as long as the weapon FITS, she doesn't care about recoil.
Opposite experience here. Pumps were a bit lighter and easier to lift. The over/unders were difficult to break. Of course, the Baikal isn't as tight as some of the others..but it was a Baikal and one other over/under that Amy had problems with. She now breaks clays with some level of skill using a 20 ga. 870. The stock has been custom fit..by myself.. and now fits her. It has an LOP of about 10 3/4". That was the easy part. The hard part was getting the other angles right. This is where a woman's build is a bit more challenging.
She has a 7mm-08 that is built for a wee person. It is a Ruger Compact Bolt with a nice Leupold scope. She really likes this rifle.
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er.um.uh.....
ok...i have given some time and thought to designing handguns for women. a rifle can be modified, usually a different stock to reduce recoil, a pad, and the right caliber usually takes care of it. the AR-15 is a good teaching tool - it's simple to operate, clean & load. and with minimal recoil.
handguns need a bit more thought. sure, a smaller handgrip would do fine for most ladies, but a smaller caliber, say, anything less than a 9mm may not have the knockdown power needed to stop an assailant. imagine your mom shooting a keltec .32? most women may be nervous, excited and just plain scared. think she'll hit center mass with little to no training? really? and if she does manage it, do you think that flesh wound would stop an attacker, or just piss him off? so, there's the dilemma - how big is big enough without knocking over the person pulling the trigger? and how can it designed to eliminate thinking beyond just point and pull the trigger? (reducing muzzle flip and recoil would also be concerns.)
i know it sounds kinda harsh, but IMHO, that is what is needed to reach the masses.
my personal preference is for sig sauer automatics, but the ruger GP series (service revolvers) makes for a good reliable handgun that is not hard to operate nor is too big or heavy for most women. in fact, there's a lot out there that women can handle already, it just takes exposure & training.
on the flipside, i don't think pretty colors or phoo-phoo designs on the barrel & handle will do much for women purchasing guns themselves. it may appeal to the trendy criminal more, lol...nickel-plating is pretty, but i look for performance 1st, boys....tho i will say some of the older pistols & such that were inlaid & engraved were quite eye-catching, nor would i be rude enough to say no, if presented with one.
if you want to see some sketches i've done, i can post some.
ok...i have given some time and thought to designing handguns for women. a rifle can be modified, usually a different stock to reduce recoil, a pad, and the right caliber usually takes care of it. the AR-15 is a good teaching tool - it's simple to operate, clean & load. and with minimal recoil.
handguns need a bit more thought. sure, a smaller handgrip would do fine for most ladies, but a smaller caliber, say, anything less than a 9mm may not have the knockdown power needed to stop an assailant. imagine your mom shooting a keltec .32? most women may be nervous, excited and just plain scared. think she'll hit center mass with little to no training? really? and if she does manage it, do you think that flesh wound would stop an attacker, or just piss him off? so, there's the dilemma - how big is big enough without knocking over the person pulling the trigger? and how can it designed to eliminate thinking beyond just point and pull the trigger? (reducing muzzle flip and recoil would also be concerns.)
i know it sounds kinda harsh, but IMHO, that is what is needed to reach the masses.
my personal preference is for sig sauer automatics, but the ruger GP series (service revolvers) makes for a good reliable handgun that is not hard to operate nor is too big or heavy for most women. in fact, there's a lot out there that women can handle already, it just takes exposure & training.
on the flipside, i don't think pretty colors or phoo-phoo designs on the barrel & handle will do much for women purchasing guns themselves. it may appeal to the trendy criminal more, lol...nickel-plating is pretty, but i look for performance 1st, boys....tho i will say some of the older pistols & such that were inlaid & engraved were quite eye-catching, nor would i be rude enough to say no, if presented with one.
if you want to see some sketches i've done, i can post some.
BluesBear
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I am suprised no one mentioned the Wilkinson .25 auto pistol. I can't remember the cutsey name they had for it but I think it was the Diana. it was a pretty good copy of the old Baby Browning. It came in Gold, Pink & Baby Blue
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The need to choose (or adapt) a gun to suit the particular shooter is a valid consideration, and an important one.
The stuff about women being too weak to handle real guns and major calibers is B.S.
Most complaints about limitations of female shooters tell you more about the limitations of the would-be instructor than the women that are alluded to.
The stuff about women being too weak to handle real guns and major calibers is B.S.
Most complaints about limitations of female shooters tell you more about the limitations of the would-be instructor than the women that are alluded to.
Holly76201
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As a "Chick", just thought I throw my opinion into the mix as far as firearms go.
When I first met my {now}husband, he put a Gold Cup in my hands and it was love at 1st shot. Same with Browning Hi-Power.
I carry a .45 ACP in my purse b/c it won't conceal a Gold Cup.
Carry either a Keltec p-32 or a p-11 in my pocket or waistband when I'm working.
So now you know.
When I first met my {now}husband, he put a Gold Cup in my hands and it was love at 1st shot. Same with Browning Hi-Power.
I carry a .45 ACP in my purse b/c it won't conceal a Gold Cup.
Carry either a Keltec p-32 or a p-11 in my pocket or waistband when I'm working.
So now you know.
I'd agree that once a woman decides she wants to shoot she gets more BS from the mysoginists among our kind than she would have ever thought.
The firearms "designed" for women are few and far between outside SW ladysmith line, althought the humble 1911 and Walther 99 have a few things others don't.
Namely, you can easily customize the grip frame with the swapping out of the MSH. That's a feature that's cool and shouldn't be gender specific.
Rather than talk about ladies with "weak" hands and short fingers, why not talk about guns built with better ergonomics from the get go.
My gal pal shoots a full sized 92F. The trigger reach on the 92F at DA annoys me, she thinks it's fine. She also breaks boards with her fists. Go figure.
Hand size, grip strength, LOP and "kick" are all factors in picking a gun for someone, but they are also "defects" that can be trained away and or "fixed" with appropriate technology.
The firearms "designed" for women are few and far between outside SW ladysmith line, althought the humble 1911 and Walther 99 have a few things others don't.
Namely, you can easily customize the grip frame with the swapping out of the MSH. That's a feature that's cool and shouldn't be gender specific.
Rather than talk about ladies with "weak" hands and short fingers, why not talk about guns built with better ergonomics from the get go.
My gal pal shoots a full sized 92F. The trigger reach on the 92F at DA annoys me, she thinks it's fine. She also breaks boards with her fists. Go figure.
Hand size, grip strength, LOP and "kick" are all factors in picking a gun for someone, but they are also "defects" that can be trained away and or "fixed" with appropriate technology.
Dilettante
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Excellent! Does "love at 1st shot" mean the gun, or the guy? Maybe I should try this on dates!
Do you shoot any larger guns? What do you think of the ergos?
With her fists??
Not with her palm heel?mrstang01
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When my wife showed up for her CCW class, it was mostly ladies with only 3 guys. When the instructor asked everyone to show clear on their weapons, everyone had either a 9mm or .38 Special. When he gets to her, he asks is that a 9 she's carrying. Her reply? Nope, 9's are for wusses, it's a .45, I carry a real gun! He was a bit nervous about letting her shoot, and "hovered" nearby in case he had to grab the gun if she had trouble.
Was I ever proud when she got the best score in the class on the shooting portion!
Her choice was a .45 Witness compact similar to the one above. It's all about fit, she picked what she wanted.
Was I ever proud when she got the best score in the class on the shooting portion!
Her choice was a .45 Witness compact similar to the one above. It's all about fit, she picked what she wanted.
Orthonym
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All really important questions have the same answer:
It depends. I remember my high-school sweety from ~35 years ago; She shot skeet competitively with a 12-gauge. Won prizes. I think she MIGHT have weighed 90 pounds soaking wet.
It depends. I remember my high-school sweety from ~35 years ago; She shot skeet competitively with a 12-gauge. Won prizes. I think she MIGHT have weighed 90 pounds soaking wet.
Last time I went shooting there was a woman shooting her full size H&K USP .45 pistol. She was about medium height and very trim. Her hands did not look big enough or strong enough to handle the full size USP comfortably. She still smoked everyone else shooting at the range.
On that day I was trying to concentrate on building up my mediocre skills with my snub nose .38. I wished I brought my SIG P220ST instead that day. Not because I could have outshot her. She had some serious skills. Its just that my gun looked so small next to her USP.
On that day I was trying to concentrate on building up my mediocre skills with my snub nose .38. I wished I brought my SIG P220ST instead that day. Not because I could have outshot her. She had some serious skills. Its just that my gun looked so small next to her USP.
Holly76201
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Dilettante,
it was 1st love for the Gold Cup and Hi-Power. Took another few months for the guy.
it was 1st love for the Gold Cup and Hi-Power. Took another few months for the guy.
Trisha
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Dilettante;
I wore a turquoise blue mini-dress, black 3" shouch boots, back-seamed stockings, black tailored leather blazer, full makeup and nails. My S&W Bodyguard was in my purse, my HK USP Compact was in a shoulder holster, and I had a Cold Steel Recon Tanto on my inside thigh above the hemline.
"A lady as pretty as you should be carrying a gun - have you ever thought about it?"
"I'm just here to buy that Pentagon, a gift for my partner. Can I see it, please?"
"Sure; here! I bet you could shoot this little .38 just fine; you want to look at it, too?"
"No, thank you (lays CCW permit on counter, followed by Bodyguard), I love my .357. . ."
Clerk starts, hands me the Pentagon, can't seem to look anywhere but either the snubby or my clevage.
"Um, you shouldn't carry a gun in your purse - what about it gets snatched?"
I remove my blazer. "Then I might just shoot him in the @ss."
More flustered. Still can't look me in the eye. "So, are you a cop or something?"
The Pentagon is lovely. I slip my blazer back on. "I'm gay. That falls into the 'or something' category."
The clerk manages to look me in the face - barely. Lipstick is too much of a distraction for him to make eye contact. Crew-cut, 30-something, tan, probably works out; but women must be from another planet. . .
Two other customers, one of whom I know and go shooting with are paying attention by this time.
"Ken - good to see you!"
"Wow! Trish, I barely recognized. . . you're going to meet Susan, right? Damn, but you clean up nice!"
"Down, boy! Yep, lunch at The Brown Palace - you think Susan will like this?"
"She's getting a knife for once? I thought you were the cutlery girl of the two!"
Chuckling, nodding. "I like getting personal - she's talked about one of these and today is the perfect excuse." Credit card is handed to the clerk, who's now the color of a ripe peach clear to his ears.
Ken glances at the clerk, grinning. "Calm down - she and Susan are two dykes you'd either love to meet in a dark alley, or they'd be the last people you'd see!" Ken looks me over and nods.
"So, where's your knife? You never go out without one."
"None of your business."
"Sign here, Ma'am." The clerk manages to look me in the eye as I hand him the receipt. "A .40 is a good caliber - that HK is a good gun." He hands me the boxed blade in a paper bag.
"Jesus, Bill! She shoots .45's! Get over it!"
I'm starting to get pissed, but stay cool. Bill, the clerk, has a High Power on his hip. I smile sweetly and head for the door, trying not to grind my teeth.
Ken gets the door for me. I look him in the eye and see he's grinning from ear-to-ear, but it fades when he sees the storm clouds behind my eyes.
"I know being straight is a lifestyle choice - just don't expect me to ever understand it."
He nods, munching his lip.
"I'll take care of it, Trish; he's new - good to see you again. Say 'Hi' to Susan for me."
I took a couple of deep breaths before I got behind the wheel.
Lunch was delightful, but I didn't mention anything about making the purchase. . .
Trisha
I wore a turquoise blue mini-dress, black 3" shouch boots, back-seamed stockings, black tailored leather blazer, full makeup and nails. My S&W Bodyguard was in my purse, my HK USP Compact was in a shoulder holster, and I had a Cold Steel Recon Tanto on my inside thigh above the hemline.
"A lady as pretty as you should be carrying a gun - have you ever thought about it?"
"I'm just here to buy that Pentagon, a gift for my partner. Can I see it, please?"
"Sure; here! I bet you could shoot this little .38 just fine; you want to look at it, too?"
"No, thank you (lays CCW permit on counter, followed by Bodyguard), I love my .357. . ."
Clerk starts, hands me the Pentagon, can't seem to look anywhere but either the snubby or my clevage.
"Um, you shouldn't carry a gun in your purse - what about it gets snatched?"
I remove my blazer. "Then I might just shoot him in the @ss."
More flustered. Still can't look me in the eye. "So, are you a cop or something?"
The Pentagon is lovely. I slip my blazer back on. "I'm gay. That falls into the 'or something' category."
The clerk manages to look me in the face - barely. Lipstick is too much of a distraction for him to make eye contact. Crew-cut, 30-something, tan, probably works out; but women must be from another planet. . .
Two other customers, one of whom I know and go shooting with are paying attention by this time.
"Ken - good to see you!"
"Wow! Trish, I barely recognized. . . you're going to meet Susan, right? Damn, but you clean up nice!"
"Down, boy! Yep, lunch at The Brown Palace - you think Susan will like this?"
"She's getting a knife for once? I thought you were the cutlery girl of the two!"
Chuckling, nodding. "I like getting personal - she's talked about one of these and today is the perfect excuse." Credit card is handed to the clerk, who's now the color of a ripe peach clear to his ears.
Ken glances at the clerk, grinning. "Calm down - she and Susan are two dykes you'd either love to meet in a dark alley, or they'd be the last people you'd see!" Ken looks me over and nods.
"So, where's your knife? You never go out without one."
"None of your business."
"Sign here, Ma'am." The clerk manages to look me in the eye as I hand him the receipt. "A .40 is a good caliber - that HK is a good gun." He hands me the boxed blade in a paper bag.
"Jesus, Bill! She shoots .45's! Get over it!"
I'm starting to get pissed, but stay cool. Bill, the clerk, has a High Power on his hip. I smile sweetly and head for the door, trying not to grind my teeth.
Ken gets the door for me. I look him in the eye and see he's grinning from ear-to-ear, but it fades when he sees the storm clouds behind my eyes.
"I know being straight is a lifestyle choice - just don't expect me to ever understand it."
He nods, munching his lip.
"I'll take care of it, Trish; he's new - good to see you again. Say 'Hi' to Susan for me."
I took a couple of deep breaths before I got behind the wheel.
Lunch was delightful, but I didn't mention anything about making the purchase. . .
Trisha
Dillatante,
Fists, heels of hands.. semantics. The fact is I don't practice karate and she does. My point was to illustrate that she's ... well, tougher than me in some ways.
Fists, heels of hands.. semantics. The fact is I don't practice karate and she does. My point was to illustrate that she's ... well, tougher than me in some ways.
Trisha,
Based on the exchange you posted I just think there wasn't a need to be overtly arrogant about the fact you carry or what you carry compared to whom. I think you want to be treated as an equal and this world is not ready for that fact quite yet. Plus, the fact that there aren't that many women like you in this world. The kind Camille Paglia advocates in her books (don't know if you admire her or not); intelligent, armed, and self reliant. A friend of mine (she's straight) is pretty, buxom, petite and a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. But she tells everyone about that fact repeatedly. She constantly goes on about the fact she can kick his butt or her butt or my butt all the time. Sometimes in a joking way but sometimes its hard to tell if she's joking or not. Her mutual friends and I humour her, kinda smile but we all agree its starting to wear a little thin.
As for your sexuality. I just don't understand how that became a point in that exchange you just posted. Bill the clerk was either flustered by your "hotness" or your sexuality? I don't know, but there was no need to get defensive or point out the fact he carrys a 9mm next to your .45. By the way I don't consider short barrel .45's to be that much effective than a 9mm. Its the shooter not the gun.
Although I'm assuming you're a pretty good shot. 
As a heterosexual guy myself I admire women (straight or gay) who can take names and don't apologize for it. But take it down a notch. All I'm saying is there's a thin line between confidence and hostility.
....And yeah, if you're going to post something like that I think we'd all like to see a picture of who we're dealing with.
Based on the exchange you posted I just think there wasn't a need to be overtly arrogant about the fact you carry or what you carry compared to whom. I think you want to be treated as an equal and this world is not ready for that fact quite yet. Plus, the fact that there aren't that many women like you in this world. The kind Camille Paglia advocates in her books (don't know if you admire her or not); intelligent, armed, and self reliant. A friend of mine (she's straight) is pretty, buxom, petite and a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. But she tells everyone about that fact repeatedly. She constantly goes on about the fact she can kick his butt or her butt or my butt
all the time. Sometimes in a joking way but sometimes its hard to tell if she's joking or not. Her mutual friends and I humour her, kinda smile but we all agree its starting to wear a little thin.As for your sexuality. I just don't understand how that became a point in that exchange you just posted. Bill the clerk was either flustered by your "hotness" or your sexuality? I don't know, but there was no need to get defensive or point out the fact he carrys a 9mm next to your .45. By the way I don't consider short barrel .45's to be that much effective than a 9mm. Its the shooter not the gun.
Although I'm assuming you're a pretty good shot. As a heterosexual guy myself I admire women (straight or gay) who can take names and don't apologize for it. But take it down a notch. All I'm saying is there's a thin line between confidence and hostility.
....And yeah, if you're going to post something like that I think we'd all like to see a picture of who we're dealing with.
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Trisha,
In all fairness, it is a sad truth that most folks aren't used to seeing heavily armed lesbians in mini-dresses shopping for bladed weapons. I dunno what kind of reaction you'd expect from showing up in a hot outfit, showing off your weapons, and telling everyone you are gay. Probably won't prompt a frank exchange on the merits of Cartesian dualism, for instance. Which isn't a reason not to do anything, but you've got to have realistic expectations. To quote The Bard:
In all fairness, it is a sad truth that most folks aren't used to seeing heavily armed lesbians in mini-dresses shopping for bladed weapons. I dunno what kind of reaction you'd expect from showing up in a hot outfit, showing off your weapons, and telling everyone you are gay. Probably won't prompt a frank exchange on the merits of Cartesian dualism, for instance. Which isn't a reason not to do anything, but you've got to have realistic expectations. To quote The Bard:
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