Guns of "BattleStar Gallactica"

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So who saw BattleStar Gallactica on Sci-Fi Channel?

What's up with those handguns they used near the end? They looked like they used explosive rounds...

Anybody ID the "base gun" underneath all the doo-dads? It wasn't a Broomhandle Mauser...

I really enjoyed the show. Liked the characters. Liked the plot. Liked the writing. Thought the "romance" scenes were a little over the top. I had kids watching. "FAST FORWARD!" Oh, wait, this is live...
 
I "Tivo'ed" it for tonight, and will watch the first half while the second is recording.

I flipped over for about 5 minutes at various points for just a peek and did see the pistol sidearms as well.

The prop guns looked like they were double barreled, perhaps almost trying to imply two different kinds of energy, or shells could be expended.

Although the absence of a visible beam does not mean they're projectile weapons. In clear air you wouldn's see the beam any more than you would the beam of a laser pointer or LAM on a current gun now. (They tried to imply this effect with the "BBQ lighter" guns in Logan's Run. As a kid, I thought it was because they were too cheap to add "lasers" but now realize the effect is more sophisticated and "real".)

And that's only assuming the energy is in a visible wavelength. If it's an X-ray, UV, IR, mircowave "blaster" you won't see anything of the beam itself. Perhaps you'd see a faint aurora-like contrail at night, or in a dark room, of superheated or ionized air left in the wake of the beam.

Actually the "machine war" scenes in Terminator witth the plasma rifles had it kind of right for what portable energy weapon effects might look like at night. A dull "snap" as the beam superheats a column of air in a mini-thunderbolt, and a violet-pinkish glow of air heated to a plasma. Also, while very fast, the beams looked mostly continous, as opposed to a Star Wars'esque "bolt" that's 2-3 feet long flying through the air... :rolleyes:

What I really liked of Battlestar Galactica was the somewhat Newtonian physics of the fighters. You could see reaction thrusters, and they only did Star Wars loop-de-loop manuvers part of the time, and coasted spun, and braked like real space, the other part. A lot of it looked like the best scenes in space from Babalon 5 and Firefly in that regard.

The nuke fired at the Galactica actully looked somewhat like space detonations we tested in the 50's, a silent (at least for a bit), big purple white light, instead of a cheesey ball of SFX propane lit on fire. And I also liked the long distance shots of spaceships that were completely silent, kind of like Apollo 13 or 2001: A Space Oddesy. They couldn't keep it up the entire time for dramatic reasons, but it's at least a hint of the vaccuum of space.

The space battle cinematography is also excellent, sort of "Saving Private Ryan" hand-held camera and jerky looking, with great long shots giving excellent perspective size differences between fighters and the Galactica, and the relative speeds.

It's still not even close as to what space is really like, but for TV space opera, it's pretty good.
 
I wasn't impressed with the new BG series. I liked the original much much better. They changed too much stuff in the new BG series. And have offered no real good reson as to why the changes were needed. The new BG series didn't feel like BG to me.

I miss these nice folks....

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The orbital bombardment was pretty cool. Too bad they didn't make scenes with the attacking cylon weapons platform (against the planet).

But looked like the secret weapon of the cylons was just a fancy version of EMP aided by the stolen data on all colonial technology. This doesn't make Gaius quite the uber-traitor he was in the older tv series. The cylons could've compromised any number of intellegence "assets".

Kinda explained why the space-going war planes shot what looked like tracer rounds. But I would want to be anywhere near a hot zone after a fight because of all the lingering projectiles.

And why no missiles on the planes? why no point defense guns on the ships? These were issues I had with the original tv series. And why no ejection seats that work? What happened to redundancy in designs?
 
Even watching as a little kid of only 6-7 when the first BG aired, it was tainted with an oppressive level of 1970's cheesiness.

So far I like what I see.

And a Baltar that's more "human" and grey-area in his motivations and compilcated and conflicted is more realistic. Throuought history, much betryal is borne of weakness, not true "evil".

I agree with yy, Galactica should have some version of CWIS to shoot down that last Cylon nuke.

I suppose it might be due to her mothball/museum status though. So not having every weapon system on line makes sense.

I actually think the "Last time we saw a Cylon it looked like a walking toaster" was a faint crack at the original series, BTW. :D

I will not miss the "daggit" either.

If you think about it. All of humanity destroyed on 13 planets is gritty and perhaps the new series will treat such a weighty plot in manner it deserves.
 
And why no missiles on the planes? why no point defense guns on the ships?

Galactica was on her way to a decomissioning ceremony, and it was mentioned that they basically had no munitions aboard, which was why they have to go to Ragnar. The Viper Mk IIs were display pieces, so probably wouldn't have been armed with live warheads. Even if there were live missiles available, they might not even have been compatible with 20 year-old hardpoint mounts (okay, that's a reach).

They shouldn't have had live ammo for the guns either, by that reasoning, but I guess it wouldn't have been much of a battle then.

I wondered about the point defenses too. The lack of munitions could explain it, but it seems unlikely that a ship even remotely still in service would be without at least a minimal defense capability. (I wanted to see some big gattling guns blazing away).
 
The space battle cinematography is also excellent, sort of "Saving Private Ryan" hand-held camera and jerky looking, with great long shots giving excellent perspective size differences between fighters and the Galactica, and the relative speeds.

Yeah, that was really impressive I thought. Some people might not like it, but it really contributed to the sense that you were looking at camera footage from an actual battle.

I also liked the "fog of war" aspect of keeping the audience almost as much in the dark as the Galactica crew, trying to piece together the magnitude and extent of the disaster from fragmentary intelligence.

I have to say that the mushroom clouds were rather chilling. Having grown up in a time when MAD reigned supreme and such a vision was always lingering in the back of one's consciousness... well, it was a little eerie.
 
IMO, part one of the new show was really well done, and I'm looking forward to part two. One thing I thought was good was that the Cylon fighters didn't have cockpits for the Cylon centurions, like they did in the old show. Why would you get a robot to fly a fighter when you can make the robot the fighter?

I was a big BG fan back in the 70s when I was a kid. When Sci Fi reran it a couple of years ago I watched part of one episode, which is when I realized just how bad the original was due to 70s cheeze factor and bad acting.
 
Well, I'm watching the re-airing of Part 1 (with Part 2 to follow). So far I'm pretty impressed. It looks like somebody who stayed awake for part of high school science class was involved with the script. They also did a pretty good job of giving the military parts of the show a "military" feel, at least better than most sci-fi does.

Oh, and politicians are still :cuss: idiots. :D

As for the handguns, I'm guessing they are just props. The assault rifles look like they might be real bullpup-type dealies like the Tavor (sp?), but I dunno.
 
This series is great! I never saw the original series but I just finished watching the 2nd part.... cant wait till the next part. *DROOL*

Those point defenses ROCKED. BG tore the massed cylon fighter apart but I was surprised that the big 'Base Stars' didnt mount any nukes? What use would basic chem warheads be against a ship that can shrug off 50kiloton nuke????

Of course they had to begin this series during finals week. Doesnt look like I'm gonna get much sleep this week.....:uhoh:
 
Sorry, children, but

I was already a grown-up when the thing came on the first time. Having grown up on REAL SF (not to be confused with "sci-fi") I was revolted and nauseated when someone talked me into watching an episode.


Kaylee may edit and moderate all over me for this, but I do believe that anyone who thinks anything shown on TV is science fiction, and anyone who thinks snowboarders should carry pistols, rather than be shot on sight, should not be allowed to vote, shoud not be allowed to go armed, should not be allowed to reproduce, should not be allowed out in public without leash and muzzle, and should be welded into all sorts of heavy chains for the rest of his life, said life to be used serving his betters.

Have I made my sentiments clear here?
 
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