H&K 9MM PISTOLE

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What is your opinion of the H&K 9mm pistole?....is it worth the difference in cost?...Second choice?...Hi Cap mags etc...??
 
Heckler & Koch pistols enjoy a terrific reputation for reliability and excellent engineering.
 
Yup. P7 is a cult object, I think a P9S Sport would be a lot of fun.
The USP is a good solid gun and there are several followons under various monickers.
Their Glock equivalent is well thought of by the gurus on P-F.

ETA: Yes, bannockburn, that is the one. I just didn't remember the alphanumeric and didn't bother looking it up.
 
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If your talking about the VP9 then I like it a lot! Very ergonomic design with the grip frame having interchangeable panels and backstraps that allow you to custom fit the gun to your particular hand size. Sights are great, very easy to pick up, and the trigger is one of nicest ones I have encountered on a striker fired pistol.
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I've had great luck with hk pistols.

Not sure about the higher cost as that is subjective.
Wife got her vp9 for $550 with three mags and night sights. Seemed in line with most major companies offerings.

I felt there cost was in line but not overkill. Seemed a fair value for what you got.
 
I own a P30 and a P30SK...they are a well engineered handgun with a price well inline for what you get.
 
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Heck, I've seen comments the USP is over-kill in 9mm. The Mark 23 is outsized as a .45 Auto shooter and would be a huge 9mm gun.
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I’ve got a 9mmP and .40 S&W USP and the 9mm is way overbuilt. It makes for a bulky 9mm but it’s way understressed even when shooting hot ammo.

The USP was designed around .40 S&W first then rechambered for 9mmP. At the time most of the .40 pistols were 9mm guns that were just rechambered for .40 and lifetime was a severe problem.

The USPs are expensive though and the VPs are a good option. What you give up is some flexibility. Any of the USPs can be switched to any of the other action types (DA/SA, DAO, LEM, with/without safety and/or decocker) by a simple detail strip and parts exchange. With the VP you get one trigger type and no external safety.

OTOH, the VP’s grip is adaptable while with the USP you get what you get. If it doesn’t fit you’re out of luck. I run a small backstrap, with a small and medium side plate. You can’t do that with a USP.

BSW
 
briansmithwins said:
The USP was designed around .40 S&W first then rechambered for 9mmP. At the time most of the .40 pistols were 9mm guns that were just rechambered for .40 and lifetime was a severe problem.

BSW
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Correct.

The downside of the USP, to me at least, is while HK has an enviable record of quality magazines, the only guns they still make with the polymer mags are the full size USP 9mm and .40 S&W guns. The USP Compact (all calibers), and USP .45 models (all sizes), and all subsequent pistols from HK have metal mags. The polymer mags may be great, but if HK thought they were such a good idea, I'd think they would have used them in another model, but they haven't.

If I were issued a full size HK USP 9mm or .40 S&W, I probably wouldn't lose sleep over mags catastrophically failing, but if I'm buying my own gun, with my own money, I probably wouldn't pick that feature, especially since HK has other options.
 
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OTOH, the VP’s grip is adaptable while with the USP you get what you get. If it doesn’t fit you’re out of luck. I run a small backstrap, with a small and medium side plate. You can’t do that with a USP.
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That was my chief problem with the USP I had; my hand was too small to get a comfortable grip on the gun. Now with the VP9 I can configure it just the way I like it, which right now feels more like my perfectly fitted Hi-Power grip!
 
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Correct.

The downside of the USP, to me at least, is while HK has an enviable record of quality magazines, the only guns they still make with the polymer mags are the full size USP 9mm and .40 S&W guns. The USP Compact (all calibers), and USP .45 models (all sizes), and all subsequent pistols from HK have metal mags. The polymer mags may be great, but if HK thought they were such a good idea, I'd think they would have used them in another model, but they haven't.

If I were issued a full size HK USP 9mm or .40 S&W, I probably wouldn't lose sleep over mags catastrophically failing, but if I'm buying my own gun, with my own money, I probably wouldn't pick that feature, especially since HK has other options.
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I suspect HK was going for durability with the plastic USP mags. They are very tough and don’t wear out easily because of the metal reinforcement in the feed lips. They are bulky though, which I why is suspect HK went back to metal mags for the .45 USP, the USP compacts, and the P and VP series.

BSW
 
bannockburn said:
If your talking about the VP9 then I like it a lot! Very ergonomic design with the grip frame having interchangeable panels and backstraps that allow you to custom fit the gun to your particular hand size. Sights are great, very easy to pick up, and the trigger is one of nicest ones I have encountered on a striker fired pistol.
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I certainly like mine but I can't keep it!:cuss: Resized_20210117_135105.jpeg Or, the 30 round HK mag I ordered!:eek:
 
I have 2 USPs. A full size and a USP Compact. I find the Compact to be very well balanced, and the full size to be just that... full sized. It's a big pistol. That being said, I don't think either of these guns have ever malfunctioned. Period. If I had to stake my life on the handgun functioning, either one of these guns would be a good choice. I view them as "battlefield weapons" though. They're not target guns. The triggers feel spongy to me, but boy do they work well. I rarely shoot the full size USP, but I routinely take the Compact out just to stay familiar. I think you almost always get what you pay for, but in the case of an HK, you get the quality build but you have to realize what you're buying and put a value on it. For a target gun... way too expensive because that's not what it is. For personal protection... or home protection, or whatever... it's worth every penny.
 
JTQ said:
The Mark 23 is outsized as a .45 Auto shooter and would be a huge 9mm gun.
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No joke. I bought my mk23 because I grew up playing rainbow six.

I still would buy another in 10mm though. And id think its a perfect platform.

JTQ said:
the only guns they still make with the polymer mags are the full size USP 9mm and .40 S&W guns.
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I have always been a bit put off by that on the USP. And then on top of that they want 40-50 bucks for an all polymer mag...... all HK parts are stupid high. And usually not available from HK nor HKparts. They very rarely break though. Excellent guns but with some of the worst triggers ever put on a handgun. (Just the USP. Not much experience with the others)

I like HK guns. I really do. But I like many other brands far better. Doubtful you find many people that say they aren't great guns though. They are well built
 
Yes, they can be worth the money.

But wanting a better stock DA trigger pull, reports about the Walther P99 AS were intriguing. I bought one, despite never handling any P99.

And the other Walther ergos seem just as good.
If people accept the USP stock trigger, or modify ( whatever), I can certainly then see the USP’s very strong appeal.
 
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