H&K USP 45: How good is it?

[vaupet]

I have a usp9 and a usp45 match. The 9 is great for home defence, the 45 match is used in competition. IMHO it is mandatory to try them on for size. I have huge hands and the usp series fits me right there. The checkering is sharp, that is why i put on a pachmacher sleeve on the 45 match.

Never had a failure in any H&K pistol execpt for the time where i had put in the round backwards, loading up with an Uplula magloader whilst talking to someone.

 

[balance 740]

Too much is made about triggers. HK's triggers are fine. No, they're not revolver target triggers, but they're not target pistols.

Can you shoot a VP-70 as well as a P7?

I think a good trigger definitely makes a difference. Trigger quality is one of the aspects of a pistol that will determine how easy it is to shoot, in my experience. It is the one and only aspect of H&K pistols that I really think H&K needs to improve on.

Now I don't care what the haters say because in my experience they are 180 out on this. If that's what somebody calls poor customer service, I'd have to question just what a manufacturer has to do to make these people happy?

Well, to be fair, they did have years and years, and years, of first hand reports claiming some pretty bad customer service. It's good to see that they are improving though.

Never had a failure in any H&K pistol execpt for the time where i had put in the round backwards, loading up with an Uplula magloader whilst talking to someone.

You mean H&K pistols don't work that way?:

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[18DAI]

Accurate, reliable and extremely durable.

In 17 years of owning HK pistols, I've never had a malfunction or needed their customer service. Fine pistol well worth the asking price.

For all I read about the USP's trigger, it is a match grade trigger compared to that "m&p" trigger.

 

[Hk Dan]

Well, you DO get a lot of comments about the HK trigger. The truth is that the SA is fine. The DA is pretty bad, but shoots in nicely. I have 2 USP45s and they are both reliable to a fault, surgically accurate, and have not needed so much as a light oiling. Helluva good gun.

 

[silicosys4]

I paid $400 for my USP45 in perfect shape. It never fails to go bang. It holds a flashlight so I don't have to (not that I can reach the switch on it because the grip is huge), and thanks to that huge grip it holds 12 rounds. My friends think its cool. My glowing praises end there. Its the least shot of my .45's....and it was my first. I'm not accurate with the thing, for whatever reason...I fire a mag, grimace, and go back to my 1911's...that I can afford to shoot because they take cast handloads. (poly barrel in HK means cast reloads are a nono according to HK) The DA trigger is terrible, its stiffness only accentuates the fact that the trigger is polymer and is somewhat flexible. I'm perpetually waiting for the rubber hammer spur to fall off...(really HK? you couldn't have made the WHOLE HAMMER out of metal?) I have small hands so at least some of my dislike for the pistol originates there, but it just doesn't hold, feel, point, or shoot pleasantly to me. The mags are $60.
$60 freakin $

 

[mes228]

H&K

I've owned 4 H&K's three in .45 and one in 9mm. Some I liked and some I didn't like (hated the one with the LEM trigger module). The one I liked incredibly well was the H&K Tactical 9mm with Jet Funnel. I traded for it from a Gentleman that competed with it. He has several very high dollar pistols, including full Custom 1911's . He was so filled with sellers remorse, and was so good at pleading (grin). I ultimately sold it back to him. Bad move, now I'm filled with sellers remorse. The tactical 9mm is an exceptionally good pistol in all respects.

 

[HKGuns]

Never a HK thread without fanboyism. You can find pistols that are just as reliable, accurate, and a better trigger to boot. I would imagine that a pistol that costs a grand have a better trigger like other brands.

Just go away, if that is all you can add to the thread. Have you ever in your life shot one? Bet not....Next time take a step back and ask yourself if you should even be posting in the thread where you have nothing to add.

Nothing fanboy about it, I own a very wide array of pistols from many different companies.

Did I say Go away? Oh, and welcome to my ignore list.

Can you shoot a VP-70 as well as a P7?

Oh, you again. Always jumping in aren't you....Yes I can, all it takes is practice. Next?

For all I read about the USP's trigger, it is a match grade trigger compared to that "m&p" trigger.

I have an M&P and to tell you the truth I don't understand why it takes so much of a bad trigger rap either. All I can say is there are sure some opinionated people.

I think a good trigger definitely makes a difference. Trigger quality is one of the aspects of a pistol that will determine how easy it is to shoot, in my experience. It is the one and only aspect of H&K pistols that I really think H&K needs to improve on.

I suppose that is determined by what you're used to using. Show me two polymer pistols with triggers that are the same. Hmmmm, seems a lot of them are sold.

Here is a question for all you "NON" fanboys. Exactly which HK trigger are you referring to as being so bad? Match? LEM? Light LEM? DA/SA? DA? P7? Better yet how many of you have actually shot an HK pistol or are you simply repeating the stuff you read?

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Just go away, if that is all you can add to the thread.

Clearly you missed post number 2 which was mine:

I'd say that a new one is over priced but they are darn good guns and you can't wrong with them. Compared to others I would say that the USP is on par.

Did I say Go away? Oh, and welcome to my ignore list.

I guess one cannot speak against the amazing and invincible H und K! Don't worry, nothing of value was lost.

You'd be hard pressed to find a better pistol than the USP 45.

Justifying a bad trigger pull on a $1,000 pistol and claiming that there is realistically no better option than HK is fanboyism. They are good guns but not the best. Maybe the best for you but not everyone as you claim.

 

[balance 740]

Oh, you again. Always jumping in aren't you....Yes I can, all it takes is practice. Next?

Yep, it's me. Touchy are we?

Of coarse I "keep jumping in" (even though I participated in this thread before you did). How many rounds have you put through a VP-70 with it's 18lb gritty trigger? If you can't shoot a USP any better than a VP-70, then I think that speaks volumes about the trigger on the USP.

"Get used to it" always seems to be the response of H&K fans when it comes to complaints about the triggers, just like it always seems to be the response of Glock fans when people complain about the grip and grip angles of their favorite pistol. Funny how nobody ever uses the logic of "get used to it" when speaking about an aspect of a pistol that is universally accepted as being "good". It's always something that is almost universally accepted as being "bad", when fans use this phrase and logic.

Didn't you complain about Glock's blocky grip in another thread? Why don't you advise people to just practice and get used to it?

It would surprise me NOT to see the trigger of H&K pistols mentioned in a PRO and CON thread on H&K pistols. They are almost universally accepted as being "not as good as they could be". I think this is informative to the OP.

I suppose that is determined by what you're used to using. Show me two polymer pistols with triggers that are the same. Hmmmm, seems a lot of them are sold.

What are you asking here?

If the trigger doesn't matter, then why does H&K make the Match trigger? Why don't they just tell competitors to "practice and get used to it"?

The USP 45 and the USP 45 with a Match trigger are two of the same pistols, but with different triggers.

Here is a question for all you "NON" fanboys. Exactly which HK trigger are you referring to as being so bad? Match? LEM? Light LEM? DA/SA? DA? P7? Better yet how many of you have actually shot an HK pistol or are you simply repeating the stuff you read?

I've owned a USPc, a P7M8, and a P30S.

The USPc had the worst trigger out of all of them. The DA and SA were gritty, and the pre-travel of the SA mode felt like it staged 4 times before I hit the break point.

The P7M8 had an excellent trigger. No complaints at all about the P7 trigger.

The P30S had a smooth DA and SA pull, but the reset was too long.


This was my first post in this thread:

H&K makes excellent pistols.

The only two complaints I normally see when people speak of H&K pistols, is the price, and the trigger. I almost never hear of complaints with the accuracy, reliability, durability, or quality of their pistols.

If an H&K fits you, and you shoot it well, then you will more than likely find that it is an excellent pistol for you.

I stand by it.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

This was my first post in this thread:

He missed my first post as well. I say that they are good guns and then when he states that it's the best. He got mad and put me on the ignore list when I called that fanboyism. 1911s aren't the best, Glocks aren't the best, my choice in pistol the XD isn't the best, and HK isn't the best. Out of all the handguns I've used the XD best fits me put that may change in the future but so far, it's the best for ME.

My complaint with the USP for having a bad trigger with the standard DA/SA is why would a $1,000 pistol have a trigger that isn't as good as less expensive. Sure you can get used to it but you'll never be as good with it as you can be with something with a better trigger. I don't buy the whole thing that you can be as good with a bad trigger as you can be with a good one. Do you really think that someone with a rusty Nagant revolver can shoot as well as someone with a high end 1911 with a trigger job? That's, in my opinion, nonsense.

 

[IkenI]

I've always been a SIG fan and converted from DA/SA sometime back to DAK guns. I shoot them just as well or better than the DA/SA. Some don't like them but I do. I like the consistent trigger pull. However, it took an HK45c and HK P2000sk to make me stop carrying the SIG P220 and P229 9mm. They both have the LEM trigger and I really like it. I like the ergonomics of those two. I have had no experience with other HKs except for handling one with the spiderman grip and I didn't care for it. I have heard the P30 is an excellent handgun.

 

[mnhntr]

I have 2 HK USP compacts, one in 45 and the other is a 357sig. I really enjoy them. I also have smaller hands and the ergonomics are excellent for me. I think you can get cheaper polymer pistols that have similar quality, durability, reliability. However I cannot find one that feels as good in my hand, or that I shoot better.

 

[el Godfather]

I do have Mark 23- excellant trigger
I also have USP 9mm- I have no complaints
I carry p30- combat trigger. No complaints