H.R. 808 department of peace and Nonviolence

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Is HR 808 a stealth gunban?

While we are all looking at 1022 which has no cosponsors this bill proposed by Dennis Kuccinich is gathering steam and supporters. Of course since guns cause violence this would be a sneaky means to ban guns under the auspices of a new cabinet level position.


TITLE I--ESTABLISHMENT OF DEPARTMENT OF PEACE AND NONVIOLENCE

SEC. 101. ESTABLISHMENT OF DEPARTMENT OF PEACE AND NONVIOLENCE.

(a) Establishment- There is hereby established a Department of Peace and Nonviolence (hereinafter in this Act referred to as the `Department'), which shall--

(1) be a cabinet-level department in the executive branch of the Federal Government; and

(2) be dedicated to peacemaking and the study of conditions that are conducive to both domestic and international peace.

(b) Secretary of Peace and Nonviolence- There shall be at the head of the Department a Secretary of Peace and Nonviolence (hereinafter in this Act referred to as the `Secretary'), who shall be appointed by the President, with the advice and consent of the Senate.

(c) Mission- The Department shall--

(1) hold peace as an organizing principle, coordinating service to every level of American society;

(2) endeavor to promote justice and democratic principles to expand human rights;

(3) strengthen nonmilitary means of peacemaking;

(4) promote the development of human potential;

(5) work to create peace, prevent violence, divert from armed conflict, use field-tested programs, and develop new structures in nonviolent dispute resolution;

(6) take a proactive, strategic approach in the development of policies that promote national and international conflict prevention, nonviolent intervention, mediation, peaceful resolution of conflict, and structured mediation of conflict;

(7) address matters both domestic and international in scope; and

(8) encourage the development of initiatives from local communities, religious groups, and nongovernmental organizations.

SEC. 102. RESPONSIBILITIES AND POWERS.

(a) In General- The Secretary shall--

(1) work proactively and interactively with each branch of the Federal Government on all policy matters relating to conditions of peace;

(2) serve as a delegate to the National Security Council;

(3) call on the intellectual and spiritual wealth of the people of the United States and seek participation in its administration and in its development of policy from private, public, and nongovernmental organizations; and

(4) monitor and analyze causative principles of conflict and make policy recommendations for developing and maintaining peaceful conduct.

(b) Domestic Responsibilities- The Secretary shall--

(1) develop policies that address domestic violence, including spousal abuse, child abuse, and mistreatment of the elderly;

(2) create new policies and incorporate existing programs that reduce drug and alcohol abuse;

(3) develop new policies and incorporate existing policies regarding crime, punishment, and rehabilitation;

(4) develop policies to address violence against animals;

(5) analyze existing policies, employ successful, field-tested programs, and develop new approaches for dealing with the implements of violence, including gun-related violence and the overwhelming presence of handguns;
(6) develop new programs that relate to the societal challenges of school violence, gangs, racial or ethnic violence, violence against gays and lesbians, and police-community relations disputes;

(7) make policy recommendations to the Attorney General regarding civil rights and labor law;

(8) assist in the establishment and funding of community-based violence prevention programs, including violence prevention counseling and peer mediation in schools;

(9) counsel and advocate on behalf of women victimized by violence;

(10) provide for public education programs and counseling strategies concerning hate crimes;

(11) promote racial, religious, and ethnic tolerance;

(12) finance local community initiatives that can draw on neighborhood resources to create peace projects that facilitate the development of conflict resolution at a national level and thereby inform and inspire national policy; and

(13) provide ethical-based and value-based analyses to the Department of Defense.

(c) International Responsibilities- The Secretary shall--

(1) advise the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of State on all matters relating to national security, including the protection of human rights and the prevention of, amelioration of, and de-escalation of unarmed and armed international conflict;

(2) provide for the training of all United States personnel who administer postconflict reconstruction and demobilization in war-torn societies;

(3) sponsor country and regional conflict prevention and dispute resolution initiatives, create special task forces, and draw on local, regional, and national expertise to develop plans and programs for addressing the root sources of conflict in troubled areas;

(4) provide for exchanges between the United States and other nations of individuals who endeavor to develop domestic and international peace-based initiatives;

(5) encourage the development of international sister city programs, pairing United States cities with cities around the globe for artistic, cultural, economic, educational, and faith-based exchanges;

(6) administer the training of civilian peacekeepers who participate in multinational nonviolent police forces and support civilian police who participate in peacekeeping;

(7) jointly with the Secretary of the Treasury, strengthen peace enforcement through hiring and training monitors and investigators to help with the enforcement of international arms embargoes;

(8) facilitate the development of peace summits at which parties to a conflict may gather under carefully prepared conditions to promote nonviolent communication and mutually beneficial solutions;

(9) submit to the President recommendations for reductions in weapons of mass destruction, and make annual reports to the President on the sale of arms from the United States to other nations, with analysis of the impact of such sales on the defense of the United States and how such sales affect peace;

(10) in consultation with the Secretary of State, develop strategies for sustainability and management of the distribution of international funds; and

(11) advise the United States Ambassador to the United Nations on matters pertaining to the United Nations Security Council.

(d) Human Security Responsibilities- The Secretary shall address and offer nonviolent conflict resolution strategies to all relevant parties on issues of human security if such security is threatened by conflict, whether such conflict is geographic, religious, ethnic, racial, or class-based in its origin, derives from economic concerns (including trade or maldistribution of wealth), or is initiated through disputes concerning scarcity of natural resources (such as water and energy resources), food, trade, or environmental concerns.

(e) Media-Related Responsibilities- Respecting the first amendment of the Constitution of the United States and the requirement for free and independent media, the Secretary shall--

(1) seek assistance in the design and implementation of nonviolent policies from media professionals;

(2) study the role of the media in the escalation and de-escalation of conflict at domestic and international levels and make findings public; and

(3) make recommendations to professional media organizations in order to provide opportunities to increase media awareness of peace-building initiatives.

(f) Educational Responsibilities- The Secretary shall--

(1) develop a peace education curriculum, which shall include studies of--

(A) the civil rights movement in the United States and throughout the world, with special emphasis on how individual endeavor and involvement have contributed to advancements in peace and justice; and

(B) peace agreements and circumstances in which peaceful intervention has worked to stop conflict;

(2) in cooperation with the Secretary of Education--

(A) commission the development of such curricula and make such curricula available to local school districts to enable the utilization of peace education objectives at all elementary and secondary schools in the United States; and

(B) offer incentives in the form of grants and training to encourage the development of State peace curricula and assist schools in applying for such curricula;

(3) work with educators to equip students to become skilled in achieving peace through reflection, and facilitate instruction in the ways of peaceful conflict resolution;

(4) maintain a site on the Internet for the purposes of soliciting and receiving ideas for the development of peace from the wealth of political, social and cultural diversity;

(5) proactively engage the critical thinking capabilities of grade school, high school, and college students and teachers through the Internet and other media and issue periodic reports concerning submissions;

(6) create and establish a Peace Academy, which shall--

(A) be modeled after the military service academies;

(B) provide a 4-year course of instruction in peace education, after which graduates will be required to serve 5 years in public service in programs dedicated to domestic or international nonviolent conflict resolution; and

(7) provide grants for peace studies departments in colleges and universities throughout the United States.

SEC. 103. PRINCIPAL OFFICERS.

(a) Under Secretary of Peace and Nonviolence- There shall be in the Department an Under Secretary of Peace and Nonviolence, who shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate. During the absence or disability of the Secretary, or in the event of a vacancy in the office of the Secretary, the Under Secretary shall act as Secretary. The Secretary shall designate the order in which other officials



I thought this was interesting, it has 59 cosponsors so far, which include all of the anti gun folks of course.

I wondered if this was sort of a way to get a backdoor gunban going, under the sauspices of peace and non violence which of course no one ca object to since its for the children.
 
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Oh so they want to set up a Council of People's Commissars...

Hmm, now where did they do that again...

Oh yeah, here: Council of People's Commissars of the USSR
 
Kucinich is way out in space with his political and societal views. I'm not even sure how to characterize them.

I wouldn't worry about this legislation, really. It's not going to get significant support.

K
 
What a sad day for our once great nation. The floor of the House of Representatives is starting to resemble Woodstock.
 
(d) Human Security Responsibilities- The Secretary shall address and offer nonviolent conflict resolution strategies to all relevant parties on issues of human security if such security is threatened by conflict, whether such conflict is geographic, religious, ethnic, racial, or class-based in its origin, derives from economic concerns (including trade or maldistribution of wealth), or is initiated through disputes concerning scarcity of natural resources (such as water and energy resources), food, trade, or environmental concerns.


War! huh-yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Uh-huh

War! huh-yeah
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again y'all

War! huh good God
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Listen to me?

:rolleyes:
 
They're finally trying to officially recognize what I've always affectionately called "the Department of Feelings."

Surprisingly, my Representative hasn't sponsored it yet. It's starting to look like time for another letter.
 
The idea is just hilarious. Yes we could send these peaceful soldiers to places like Iraq, North Korea, Iran, and other global hotspots where they could non-violently work (we dont say fight cause that is violent) for peace against a hail of gunfire from enemy soldiers.

I am just thinking of how stoned they must have been sitting in his little congressional office when he came up with this idea.:rolleyes:
 
I wouldn't worry about this legislation, really. It's not going to get significant support

It has 59 cosponsors already. Given that many of them are heads of committees in Congress I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion.

Rep Abercrombie, Neil [HI-1] - 2/5/2007 Rep Andrews, Robert E. [NJ-1] - 2/5/2007
Rep Baldwin, Tammy [WI-2] - 2/5/2007 Rep Boswell, Leonard L. [IA-3] - 2/14/2007
Rep Brown, Corrine [FL-3] - 2/5/2007 Rep Carson, Julia [IN-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 2/5/2007 Rep Cleaver, Emanuel [MO-5] - 2/13/2007
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-14] - 2/5/2007 Rep Cummings, Elijah E. [MD-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep Davis, Danny K. [IL-7] - 2/5/2007 Rep Davis, Susan A. [CA-53] - 2/5/2007
Rep DeFazio, Peter A. [OR-4] - 2/5/2007 Rep Ellison, Keith [MN-5] - 2/5/2007
Rep Farr, Sam [CA-17] - 2/5/2007 Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 2/16/2007
Rep Filner, Bob [CA-51] - 2/5/2007 Rep Green, Al [TX-9] - 2/5/2007
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 2/5/2007 Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4] - 2/13/2007
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. [FL-23] - 2/13/2007 Rep Hirono, Mazie K. [HI-2] - 2/5/2007
Rep Holt, Rush D. [NJ-12] - 2/5/2007 Rep Honda, Michael M. [CA-15] - 2/5/2007
Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. [IL-2] - 2/5/2007 Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 2/5/2007
Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice [TX-30] - 2/5/2007 Rep Jones, Stephanie Tubbs [OH-11] - 2/5/2007
Rep Kaptur, Marcy [OH-9] - 2/5/2007 Rep Kilpatrick, Carolyn C. [MI-13] - 2/5/2007
Rep Lee, Barbara [CA-9] - 2/5/2007 Rep Lewis, John [GA-5] - 2/5/2007
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 2/5/2007 Rep McCollum, Betty [MN-4] - 2/13/2007
Rep McDermott, Jim [WA-7] - 2/5/2007 Rep McGovern, James P. [MA-3] - 2/5/2007
Rep Meeks, Gregory W. [NY-6] - 2/5/2007 Rep Miller, George [CA-7] - 2/5/2007
Rep Moore, Gwen [WI-4] - 2/5/2007 Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 2/5/2007
Rep Nadler, Jerrold [NY-8] - 2/5/2007 Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes [DC] - 2/5/2007
Rep Oberstar, James L. [MN-8] - 2/14/2007 Rep Olver, John W. [MA-1] - 2/13/2007
Rep Payne, Donald M. [NJ-10] - 2/5/2007 Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] - 2/5/2007
Rep Rothman, Steven R. [NJ-9] - 2/5/2007 Rep Ryan, Tim [OH-17] - 2/5/2007
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. [IL-9] - 2/5/2007 Rep Scott, Robert C. [VA-3] - 2/5/2007
Rep Serrano, Jose E. [NY-16] - 2/5/2007 Rep Sherman, Brad [CA-27] - 2/5/2007
Rep Tauscher, Ellen O. [CA-10] - 2/5/2007 Rep Towns, Edolphus [NY-10] - 2/5/2007
Rep Waters, Maxine [CA-35] - 2/5/2007 Rep Watson, Diane E. [CA-33] - 2/5/2007


I see this as being a stealth attempt to pass a complete gunban.

You know while all of us knuckle draggers are worrying about 1022.
 
The reason this will be harder to pass than H.R. 1022 is that it tries to take a bite out of too many pies at once. It has affects that are further reaching than H.R. 1022 and it also tries to take powers and appropriations away from other federal agencies and assign them to a new federal agency.

I doubt that will have much support at the bureaucratic level especially given the problems with Homeland Security. Always worth keeping an eye on as long as it has sponsors and attention though. What committee is it in presently?
 
Department of Peace and Non-violence?

If such a department were to be formed, how do you think it would implement its policies? Through the threat or use of violence, of course!

:banghead:
 
Kucinich is way out in space with his political and societal views.
Have you seen his "no strings" video from C-Span? He raises his arms to shoulder level and spins in circles babbling, "No strings, no strings, no strings..."

There was an episode of "The Simpsons" where two aliens disguised themselves as Bob Dole and Bill Clinton and ran for President. One of them started spinning in circles with his arms out to the sides, EXACTLY like Kucinich, repeatedly saying "Twirling, twirling, twirling...", just as Kucinich keeps entoning, "No strings, no strings, no strings..."

I've got a picture of Kucinich on my office door. I downloaded a picture of the evil genius Davros from "Dr. Who". He created the killer cyborgs called "Daleks". I Photoshopped Kucinich's head onto Davros's body, then surrounded him with advancing Daleks. There's a bubble over his head where he says, "Exterminate!", as the Daleks are wont to say.

Kucinich got married a while ago.

It was a mixed marriage.

She's from Earth...
 
(2) create new policies and incorporate existing programs that reduce drug and alcohol abuse;

(3) develop new policies and incorporate existing policies regarding crime, punishment, and rehabilitation;

(4) develop policies to address violence against animals;

What's the problem with these?
 
I am not a prophet or the son of a prophet, but I will make this prediction:

This bill isn't going anywhere. Fifty-nine co-sponsors don't mean diddly squat when they don't think that it has a chance of being enacted. (In other words, their co-sponsorship is nothing more than a feel good measure.)
 
What is wrong with just those. Well see violence aganist animals will be used to outlaw hunting and the eating of any animal flesh including the darling fish. New ideas of crime, punishment means getting rid of the death penalty, going to "Restorative justice" instead of the ole do the crime do the time. And the evil longstanding idea of retribution. You know PUNISHMENT. Whipping children will be outlawd also. I could go on and on. I'm sorry but I will not live under such stupidity. This crap would cause a civil war. Which would be fine as the coasts and the NE would be their own country separted by the rest of the country. We could deny them travel in our airspace just to start. I am amazed that people actually think like this.:eek:
 
Kim, you're amazed people think like this? So, you haven't been to Boston recently then?:D

This reminds of something out of that movie Demolition Man. (I know it's stupid but it was on at the gym and Sandra Bullock is in it at the height of her hotness). Be well, citizen.:D
 
THis would be a federal movement to create a national organization to do the "everybody is special, so lets hug and kiss" programs of the mid 90s. Basically it would make a nation of pacifist, politically correct FUDDs who go poopy in their panties from fear anytime someone raises their voice, gets angry, goes against government doctrine, and abolishes all guns and hunting, while making it a death sentence crime to defend oneself.

Id bet 50 bucks George Orwell would help us all move to communist russia of the 1940-1950 era in search of a better life from this bill.
 
Kucinich needs to stop with this and get back to his very important job of protecting us from alien mind control rays.
 
(4) develop policies to address violence against animals;

sounds like a sneaky way of getting that touchy-feely no fur organization into more limelight. They are worried about violence against animals and not people? sheesh.
 
What comittees hasnt it been referred to?

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H.R.808
Title: To establish a Department of Peace and Nonviolence.
Sponsor: Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] (introduced 2/5/2007) Cosponsors (59)
Latest Major Action: 2/5/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and in addition to the Committees on Foreign Affairs, the Judiciary, and Education and Labor, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.
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:barf:

This is a major socialist Coup here and you all are worrying about 1022, I have been watching this bill in disbelief since it was proposed and posted on about 2/7.

Guns buh Bye, Socialist indoctrination of our children mandated by Law :mad:
All druga and alcohol enforcement under this department:barf:
Prison system under this department.

Oh and

(2) provide for the training of all United States personnel who administer postconflict reconstruction and demobilization in war-torn societies;

Some control of the Military??
 
One wonders: are these lawmakers naturally clueless or are they merely inured to reality from their long stint in DC :barf:

Orwellians would have a field day with this one. The average citizen doesn't know squat about the Constitutional issues or political science, but many have read 1984. This ranks up there with naming a defense contractor Cyberdine Systems.
 
The idea is just hilarious. Yes we could send these peaceful soldiers to places like Iraq, North Korea, Iran, and other global hotspots where they could non-violently work (we dont say fight cause that is violent) for peace against a hail of gunfire from enemy soldiers.

This reminds me of the Robert Wexler interview on the Colbert Report


Colbert: So you think the military should pull out of Iraq and invade Iran?
Wexler: No. I believe the military should be redeployed somewhere were they can keep an eye on Iraq.
Colbert: Iran is right next door.
Wexler: They should be redeployed somewhere nearby in a peaceful, non-violent fashion.
Colbert: Because that's what the military does so well?
Wexler: Uhh...


So under the Media and entertainment portion, would they go after the UFC? And really, while they're at it, why not prevent the learning of, or at least restrict or register practitioners of martial arts? I would think that some people would see kickboxing as more of a weapon than baseball bats and hammers, and as a skill, it's always concealable.
 
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