H.R. 808 department of peace and Nonviolence

[oldcop1971]

And the new national anthem would be "Kumbayah!"

 

[swgunner]

i'll take my guns and mre's and move to africa

 

[Diamondback6]

I got six words for the jokers who hatched this: (typing real slow so it'd be comprehensible; watch the lips move in the mental picture)

Dudes. Put. The. Crack. Pipes. DOWN!

 

[ArfinGreebly]

waynedm

(2) create new policies and incorporate existing programs that reduce drug and alcohol abuse;

(3) develop new policies and incorporate existing policies regarding crime, punishment, and rehabilitation;

(4) develop policies to address violence against animals;

What's the problem with these?

You're not serious, right?

(2) create new policies and incorporate existing programs that reduce drug and alcohol abuse;

Redundancy aside, there are no government programs that reduce abuse. This allows them to just make stuff up.

(3) develop new policies and incorporate existing policies regarding crime, punishment, and rehabilitation;

Again, just an opportunity to make stuff up.

(4) develop policies to address violence against animals;

Like hunting.

This is pretty evil stuff.

The danger is in believing that it's "too crazy" to win support.

There's plenty of "crazy" in congress.

 

[Deanimator]

Kucinich needs to stop with this and get back to his very important job of protecting us from alien mind control rays.

Why should anyone believe he can protect others from that when he couldn't protect himself...?

 

[Master Blaster]

Everybody start twirling around now because the whirling Dervishes are in charge for the next two years.

Now where did I put my tibeten prayer wheel and my Sitar.

I'm going to suggest to Mrs. Master Blaster that we have a Love in.

Seriously folks do you think that they could actually use this to completely ban all civilian firearms under the auspices of an arms control treaty or a bunch of executive orders, or even get the DEA and the ATF to go door to door collecting those evil assault handguns and flintlocks???

Here is an even more horrible and sneaky thought: What if they regulated the arms trade by raising the excise tax on all ammunition to say $2 per bullet, primer and case???

Or they could require we all sign up for an arsenal license for a couple thou a year to make sure that they inspect our storage to keep those weapons out of the hands of non peacenicks and revolutionaries.

 

[Low Key]

Well dang! That time machine I built actually works, I've been transported back to the late 1960's!

 

[buzz_knox]

If such a department were to be formed, how do you think it would implement its policies? Through the threat or use of violence, of course!

That's the only real mechanism a government has against its citizens. "Do what we say or we will have our agents take your property or your freedom by force if necessary."

 

[QuestionEverything]

The "peace department" idea is primarily aimed at promoting diplomatic foreign policy solutions, if I remember what Kuchinich said about it correctly, which is better than the clumsy aggression of the Bush admin. It would basically provide a central nexus of support for US ambassadors working on conflict resolution as in Israel or Eastern Europe. Don't know how it would be applied to domestic issues; even if the department created is somehow anti-gun, it wouldn't have the power to legislate. I doubt this will reach a vote, though; it's one of those yearly vanity bills.

 

[buzz_knox]

The "peace department" idea is primarily aimed at promoting diplomatic foreign policy solutions, if I remember what Kuchinich said about it correctly, which is better than the clumsy aggression of the Bush admin.

The clumsy aggression followed decades of "diplomatic foreign policy solutions" that solved nothing, and one major terrorist strike against the US. Bush is continuing "diplomatic foreign policy solutions" in Iran, Sudan and North Korea and they are and have, as anticipated, resolved precisely nothing.

Don't know how it would be applied to domestic issues; even if the department created is somehow anti-gun, it wouldn't have the power to legislate.

The legislation specifically discusses dealing with handguns, which is a domestic issue, and while it can't legislate, giving an agency the ability to "develop solutions" would seem to give said agency authority to implement regulations (either on its own or with other agencies) to carry out said ability. Say, develop a solution to deal with handguns by working with ATFE to change the import points rules for handguns, barring any weapon with a non-sporting purpose.

 

[Robert Hairless]

(4) develop policies to address violence against animals;

What's the problem with these?

I haven't thought about the rest of the bill but only a caveman would not want to support this point.

Animals are people too. They have rights, feelings, and desires just like any of you. But you behave as if they are here for your pleasure and sustenance.

Human beings have no right to incarcerate animals. Instead of locking them in our homes we need to set them free immediately. Let them roam the country as they please, breathing the sweet air with the freedom that is their right. Release your dogs, cats, birds, fish, and other noble creations of nature today. Set them free.

Do not eat the flesh of animals. Period. (Keep in mind, though, that vegetable have rights too. Just because they look different from you and me doesn't mean that they are not Americans.)

It is long past the time when we need to recognize the right of animals to express themselves. Animals cannot speak, except when nobody else is looking and they discuss matters of great importance with some of us at night after a few brewskis, so they express themselves in other ways. We need to support cultural diversity.

If a dog pees on your leg, it could be his way of showing distaste for your fashion sense. He has that right to express himself. Don't shake him off. Use the occasion as an opportunity to understand his aesthetics. You might learn something.

Teach your little daughter respect for the dog who sinks his teeth into her leg. We all need to understand each others' point of view, but reprisals against other forms of humanity should never be tolerated. Explain to your daughter that she has another leg, and that there is a reason why she was born with the spare. Help her learn to overcome any acquired selfishness she might have learned as she transitioned from the natural state of goodness to the corruption of civilization. She can share one of her legs.

Let us look forward to the day when our country has cast off the shackles of primitive thought and we recognize the right of animals to vote. Only then can we elect a real jackass as President of the United States.

 

[Master Blaster]

I talked to my dog this morning and told her about this bill,

Her question was Daddy, does this mean that I can't have the roast beef in the fridge? I explained to her that she needs to renounce her exploitation of her fellow animals, especially the ones that taste good and become a vegetarian.

Needless to say she was not impressed, and told me that she better have the roast beef now rather than waiting for Dinner just in case this thing passes.

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

Kucinich

Is just SUCH a wimpy looking weasel.

After the last State of the Union message, the little creep just had, I mean had, to get to the President to shake his hand.

I literally can't stand to look at this waste of air from Ohio. President?? Bwahahahaha !!

The person who will fill this "cabinet" position should be easy to recognize, too. Lemmesee. He'll be the one with the roach clip...

 

[QuestionEverything]

Say what you want about Kucinich; I don't agree with all his positions by a long shot, but he's a tough politician. His family lived out of a car for parts of his childhood, but he was able to get elected mayor of Cleveland and then singlehandedly prevented the city from selling its power company to a crooked conglomerate. He was excoriated for this, lost the next election, and then his wife left him and all his money went down the drain. Despite all this, he managed to rise again and get elected to the House. He was later praised for saving Cleveland hundreds of millions of dollars by refusing to sell the power company.

Dubya would probably be sleeping on the streets and begging for money to buy his next bottle of Thunderbird if not for his daddy's name.

 

[buzz_knox]

Well, the flash back to the '70s is now complete. We've got a Department of Nonviolence being advocated and what are effectively assertions of class warfare.

Now, all we need is a vanguard party of the educated elite to lead the useful idiots of the proletariat in glorious struggle. Clinton and Obama are competing for that role.

 

[Robert Hairless]

You're just jealous because the bill doesn't say anything about lawyers.

 

[buzz_knox]

The bill does advocate better treatment of animals. That's close enough for me . . . if we can get lawyers upgraded to animal status. Right now, I think we are slightly above pond scum.

 

[Robert Hairless]

Dubya would probably be sleeping on the streets and begging for money to buy his next bottle of Thunderbird if not for his daddy's name.

Right on. Everyone else who achieved anything did it on their own, so it's hard to respect someone whose parents helped. We have nothing but contempt for kids who let their parents pay for their schooling or help them get jobs. Parasites.

When my mommy tried offering me the very first bottle of warm milk after I was born, I said: "Mother, I know not what others may choose, but as for me I shall make my way in life entirely on my own." Let others do likewise.

 

[foghornl]

This is the same stupid bill the Rep. Dennis "The Menace" Kook-cinich brings up every time.

Yeah, this is the same Dennis Kucinich that was called "The Boy Mayor" of Cleveland, drove the city into bankruptcy, [from which it has never recovered], and yet he still gets re-elected to the US House....

 

[Titan6]

This is great!

I fully support peace and non-violence. I would never vote aginst peace and non-violence so this one should breeze right through. I am also very patriotic therefore I also support the patriot act.

I don't need to read these bills or even debate them. Who would disagree? In fact I didn't even read ANY of the posts in this thread. The TV people said that this will promote peace and that is good enough for me.

Okay well maybe not.....

Edit: I went back and read a couple of posts. DK- he was able to get elected mayor of Cleveland. (is that really a step up from living in your car?)

 

[carlrodd]

that is the biggest load of crap i have ever read. it is also ridiculously orwellian. seriously...very seriously....who in the world elects these people?

 

[buzz_knox]

Right on. Everyone else who achieved anything did it on their own, so it's hard to respect someone whose parents helped. We have nothing but contempt for kids who let their parents pay for their schooling or help them get jobs. Parasites.

Exactly. I mean, the Kennedys were parasites when they used their bootlegger father's money to win elections and/or stay out of prison.

Whoops. Sorry. I forgot that they were/are parasites, notwithstanding their father's money.

 

[Houdini]

The all new touchy Feely America...Let the Love fest begin...
Please don't forget Everybody wins a trophy!

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

By the way, was Kucinich the mayor when the river caught fire???

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Hairless, Dude!

Couldn't we get a "spontaneous" march together where we go to Washington D.C. and DEMAND the rights of our fellow . . . creatures?

Needs a name, though.

Something with "million" in it . . .

Million . . . Mule? . . . March?

Gotta be spontaneous, though, so don't tell anyone the plan.