Had my 2nd Amendment Rights suspended today.

[Socrates]

Having married a Korean-Japanese woman, I can safely say they have their own agenda, and, their own expectations. Our cultures are so far apart that if you don't quickly find out what their expectations and agenda are, you will end up divorced. "Honeymoon baby" was/is a favorite Japanese expectation, I had no idea about.

Give any relationship 5 years before you consider marriage.

S
PS
The "General of the house" is a common Phillipino term for their women, and, how they do take control of everything.

I remember one of the guys in Hawaii suggesting I'd be better off with a transsexual then one of the Japanese girls I was chasing at the time. I don't know about the prior part, but, he was right about the value of the girl I was chasing...

 

[stlgunfan]

Sorry to hear about your situation. However thank Lautenberg for this STUPID law! Hopefully he stays around long enough and he gets to see his little law repealed!!

However I dont know if a military RO would count towards the gun control act.

I recommend not to get a restraining order against her. Why? Because first RO are nothing but a piece of paper. Practically worthless. Kinda like the last ply of toilet on the roll and you have the runs.

But if you take out a order against her as in many many cases in the past it could cost you your life. Many times when someone has filed for a order, the offending person gets really mad, and kills. With her being Bi Polar and having a mental illness that could be the final thing that could tip her over the edge. Plus if you have kids she could harm them too.

 

[PotatoJudge]

As far as bipolar, sounds like more bs to me.

This is the sort of attitude that causes even more problems for those that are truly afflicted with mental illness. The social bias against legitimizing serious psychological problems causes thousands, if not millions, of suffering people to go untreated and unnoticed. I completely agree that ADHD is probably overdiagnosed and definitely overmedicated in American culture, but throwing the whole diagnosis out the window denies the fact that are situations that really do warrant this diagnosis.

Bipolar I, which it sounds like thumper's wife had, is clearly a serious issue over and above the typical "crappiness" of "American wives" that is now being toted in this thread. The point is that these are NOT situations that can be handled by just "sucking it up," as thumper has experienced firsthand, and the refusal to acknowledge them as real and legitimate disorders risks putting more people in his position - as casualties of the consequences of untreated (or inadequately treated) mental illness.

-potato judge's red-blooded American wife

 

[thumper723]

While she has real mental health issues (which she denies in court), she still needs to be accountable for her actions/accusations.

I have known of these problems since about 6 months after we got married. It has been the proverbial "you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink" trying to get her help, and get her to stick with it.

Any doctor who told her she had a problem, or was the problem she declared to be a "quack". Any time there was a possiblity to blame others for the problem at hand, it was NEVER her fault in her eyes.

I held on as long as I could trying to get her help, but these false accusations of abuse were the last straw for me.

She has had serious detriment to my career, if not ruined it. Nevermind how the current situation is going to affect me long term.

 

[SoCalShooter]

Thumper723 sounds like you have a succubus problem, sorry to hear you lost your guns, I read through all the other suggestions and cant find a better one to give you. Chin up!

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

This is the sort of attitude that causes even more problems for those that are truly afflicted with mental illness. The social bias against legitimizing serious psychological problems causes thousands, if not millions, of suffering people to go untreated and unnoticed. I completely agree that ADHD is probably overdiagnosed and definitely overmedicated in American culture, but throwing the whole diagnosis out the window denies the fact that are situations that really do warrant this diagnosis.

Bipolar I, which it sounds like thumper's wife had, is clearly a serious issue over and above the typical "crappiness" of "American wives" that is now being toted in this thread. The point is that these are NOT situations that can be handled by just "sucking it up," as thumper has experienced firsthand, and the refusal to acknowledge them as real and legitimate disorders risks putting more people in his position - as casualties of the consequences of untreated (or inadequately treated) mental illness.

-potato judge's red-blooded American wife

I can verify this. I worked in a psychiatric acute unit for a while as an attendant, i.e., one of the men in the white uniforms (the enforcers), and saw lots of manic depressives (bipolars) in there. When manic, they are really interesting to talk to, so full of energy and seeming to be creative geniuses, but if you listen long enough you realized that they are not quite in touch with reality. This experience is a sort of natural high for them, i.e., they feel great when manic. It's once they come down to reality that they feel terrible and depressed. It is a real psychiatric condition, and not bs. It is treatable with meds, but the temptation is strong to go off the meds, because the natural high of mania is so compelling to them.

 

[gunsmith]

not only Bi Polars do this to you

my ex GF one time got angry at me and said "I know how to get back at you, I'm calling the cops and telling them your making threats and you have a lot of loaded guns, You'll never be able to own a gun again"

Thank God my roomate heard her and told the cops it was BS!

BTW she ended up with a DV charge a year later and even spent the night in jail
so I think there is a little justice sometimes.

 

[thumper723]

I just love (NOT REALLY) how an unsubstantiated accusation, that would not hold up in court, can totally screw you for life, from a RKBA standpoint.

What else in this world can make you essentially a convicted felon just by being accused?

 

[slicknickns]

Any word on when you can get your guns back?

You shouldn't have given them up in the first place though.

 

[thumper723]

Court order and CO (I'm Military) said give them up, for 90 days.

Hopefully that is the end of it, but who knows what she has up her sleeve.

 

[mec]

"my ex GF one time got angry at me and said "I know how to get back at you, I'm calling the cops and telling... "

A common ploy by both foreign and domestic vagmo-terrorists. A lot of the Ukranian and Russian women who come over here to get married and then find their husbands not to their liking will get down to the police staton and file family violence charges. This allows them to stay in the United States until the issue is resolved.

 

[Avenger29]

These threads are definitly scaring me about marriage. I always planned to get a strict pre-nup, but this stuff is discouraging me from marrying at all...

Oh well, I always wanted a son to pass on my inheritance and name...looks like that might not happen at all...

 

[springmom]

Avenger (and others):

There are happy marriages out there. I feel very badly for Thumper because we have a bipolar relative and his disorder just made holy living H*** out of our lives for a number of years. I know how bad it can be.

But re: marriage? DH (Archerandshooter) and I have been married for 25 years next month. Three kids of our own, plus he took on my son from a previous marriage. Ups, downs, sick kids, sick me, everything you can imagine and some you probably can't in that 25 years, and we are each other's best friends.

Some people have terrible problems, and they are insurmountable. Others have terrible problems but they don't pull them apart, but together. You find the right person and give 100% and do your best. My first one didn't work, but here I am 25 years later with my DH and going strong.

/pep talk

Thumper, hang in there. Do what you need to do to protect yourself and your own life. You've done everything anyone could ask of you, and at this point, it doesn't sound like there's anything left to stay for.

Springmom

 

[ctdonath]

Dated a bipolar lady for a couple years. Not easy. Nothing happened to me, but she would disappear into the psych ward at times - a nasty place to visit. Once diagnosed, treated and stabilized things seemed ok ... but getting there, and especially dealing with the aftermath & long-term consequences of episodes, was difficult.

The hard part is getting the sufferer to recognize that it is truly and merely a chemical imbalance - hard to understand, and hard to accept given as it screws so harshly with your very thoughts.

Marriage? A great thing, so long as both are committed to serving each other. Highly recommended.

 

[DerringerUser]

I would try to talk to her social worker, or doctor and maybe consider having her recommited to a mental hospital because of these dilusions. This could be serious if she is having hallucinations, and I would talk to the judge about that.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

In this day and age, you have to be certain who you are marrying. Better off just not doing it than taking a chance. The prospect of marriage is getting scarrier and scarrier. It can literally turn you into a slave of the judiciary if you marry the wrong person.

Sadly, you have to be careful about a lot more than just who you marry. Any "intimate partner" is fully entitled in most states to seek a domestic restraining order (or order of protection, or whatever the various states choose to call it). IANAL but it seems to me that "intimate partner" could be extended to include just about any GF/BF, all the way down to that one-night stand you had six years ago whose name you can't even remember.

It's a double-barreled problem. First, the laws are stacked against those on the receiving end of those orders, and secondly the judges are heavily biased against the males whenever an order is requested. It's not just 2nd Amendment rights that get suspended here. Innocent until proven guilty goes out the window. Any time one of these things boils down to a "he said ... she said," the judge autmatically assumes the female is righteously telling the truth that she's in mortal danger, and that the guy is a scum-sucking bottom feeder of the lowest order. Never mind that this order, even if wrongly issued on trumped-up complaints, will follow the recipient for the remainder of his (or her) entire life.

 

[SomeKid]

Avenger,

Speaking as a 22 yr old wm.

Never marry. No matter how good she seems, do not marry. Generally I like/agree with smom, but on this issue, she is wrong. Modern women (the girls we date) are just flat out not worth marriage. I have gotten to a point where I sometimes don't even bring women to my home. Either we go to her house, an apartment, a friends place, or nothing goes.

To avoid thread drift, I will comment that part of the reason your average young woman today is so unworthy of marriage is their irrational knee-jerk hatred of guns. I will not dwell on other reasons, as they are not HR.

Lest anyone wonder, in my short life, I have met exactly 0, that is ZERO women in my age range RKBA friendly. (And sadly, this isn't there worst trait generally.)

 

[glockamolee]

My Wife has Bi-Polar. What you are going through is something that I have already considered possibly happening to me in the future, even due to the neighbors hearing her "bang the pots around in the kitchen." Fortunately, thats as bad as it ever gets, but it is noisy.

Anyhow, I recommend to anyone in this situation to keep most of your toys off property. Perhaps a rental unit. I have other storage ideas that I will not admit to.......
Pistols are registered, rifles, in my state, are not (yet). I would be sure to "get what you want" NOW, before the mentally ill spouse (victim) or the mentally ill politicians (tyrants) take actions that take your property away.

 

[Avenger29]

I too had a GF that suddenly went crazy from stress from her first year at college. She was diagnosed with Bi-polar. This was after she had broken up with me, about 5 months. She called me from the mental hospital talking nonsense. That was really uncomfortable. Later, after she got out and went supposedly normal for a while, she wanted to get back together. I said no way. Haven't looked back. Its tough to leave them alone and keep them away. And the scary part is she seemed right normal while we were dating. No hint of mental illness...
She was pro RKBA, but she won't be able to keep arms now...I even took her to her first trip to the range...

Yeah, marriage is a dangerous thing these days, I do believe. Especially, as evidenced by this case, it can result in all of your rights suspended, or worse...Be careful who you select as your significant other...You better do your research on them and look hard.

 

[langenc]

I think the dudes name is Lautenberg. He can be thanked for the loss of 2A rights in these cases.

 

[favorite .22]

sometimes there are things that lawyers,judges,police,or even doctors cant handle; for those things i would hire the A-TEAM. i'm sure MR.T would know what to do.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

The "bipolar" thing . . .

Disclaimer: I am not a psych doctor, nor an MD.

That said, I spent a decade of my life doing volunteer work up close and personal with a broad range of "social wildlife" as we sometimes called them.

What I will say next is said in the full knowledge that it disagrees with the "scientific wisdom" on the subject.

A great majority of the "disorders" that you see exhibited by people are a form of deliberate behavior. Deliberate. Deliberate, as in "I decided I had to scream," or as in "I decided I just had to [blah] because . . ."

The dramatics practiced by such people are just that: dramatics. It's behavior that was adopted because it wins. Sometimes it's as simple as "well, mommy gets her way when she does that," and sometimes it's a little more convoluted. Oh, and I said "deliberate" not "rational."

Now, it's true that there are foundation events that underlie such conduct, but the important thing is that, regardless of how plausibly deniable it is, there is an element of deliberation in that behavior.

The common argument that "I can't help it, that's just how I am," is found, in the end, to be false. Yes, I'm simplifying. Yes, I'm leaving out much detail.

Fact remains: most of the "crazy" people I've observed and dealt with were actually "gaming" the social dynamic to get what they wanted.

Prescribing meds for this has uniformly not cured a damned thing. Psychotropic drugs will make a person "quieter" and less overt, but do not effect actual change. This is hardly surprising, as the "experts" do not, themselves, truly understand the condition.

What you're left with is this: someone has decided that certain dramatic conduct wins -- "if I do this I'll get my way" -- and, even knowing that this conduct gets one labelled "crazy," goes ahead and does it anyway.

Drugs aren't going to fix it. The methods that can or will fix it are not available to you in the current context, so discussing them is pointless.

All you can do at this point is unplug yourself from this person at your earliest possible convenience.

I hope your life and legal standing don't suffer any permanent damage.

 

[geronimotwo]

is it possible, if she knew about the divorce, that she is doing this to discredit you for the upcoming court hearings?

 

[30 cal slob]

I made up my mind many moons ago ...

RKBA > Any Woman

Call me selfish, but I have a BS tolerance that only goes so far with "for better or for worse."

 

[mec]

"Disclaimer: I am not a psych doctor, nor an MD.

That said, I spent a decade of my life doing volunteer work up close and personal with a broad range of "social wildlife" as we sometimes called them."

Same thing here. I spent three decades in such a job and a good part of it entailed determining if an individual constituted an immediate danger to self or othersm, in need of confinement and observation or incapable of meeting basic needs without a guardian. Guardianships are now taylored for the individual situation and it's interesting to note that the judge almost invariably makes the determination that the ward is capable of voting and contracting a marriage even when they exhibit zero capacity in other areas.

The purposeful and goal directed nature of a lot of this behavior becomes evident when the individual comes before a judge, a psychiatrist or lands in the psychiatric hospital. A person who seemed stark raving mad in the community suddenly becomes very reasonable when confronted with involuntary committment. I've seen them smooze past the screeners and then go home to mutilate themselves or other people.

Never had one myself but I do encounter rational women who are either pro-gun or see guns as a necessary utensil in their lives. Most of theses are not hard leftists or prone to claim a lower standard of responsibility for themselves. Heck, I've even seen marriages that worked out well though they are damn few and far between.