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DustyGmt

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Anybody else seeing a positive trend of ammo availability and prices coming down (closer) to normal lately? I hope so, because I have. I think we've been choking on the prices for a good long while now, it is a welcome change.

I ordered 1000rds of 9mm from Sportsman's Guide at the start of the panic in the first quarter of 2020 and every 3-4 months my deliver date would get pushed back, and back and back again. I was starting to think it was never going to ship or when it did come time it was going to be unbelievably expensive. Well, it isn't what it was at the time I placed the order but $360/1K of 9mm really isn't too bad all things considered. I'm actually tickled, I was expecting $480-$500 from SG.

Also, other good news, my LGS is regularly posting ammo for sale and getting semi regular shipments. He had 200rd packs of Winchester 9mm for $85 and 1400rd .22lr Buckets for $100 and 250rd cases of 12ga #8 target loads for $85, also saw him post a ton of powder and primers the other day as well. :)

Knock wood, I know all it takes is for a politician to trip and fall down to set things off again and drive the panic but at least for now it looks like availability and pricing is on its way to stabilizing. I have been checking Federal's website fairly often and while it's still on the expensive side I'm seeing good availability and multiple sites that have 1000rd cases of 9mm in the $500 range.

Hope you guys are finally finding what you need. ;)
 
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It also occurs to me that about a week ago, in the "ammo predictions" thread, I posted a prediction that when prices stabilized, the old normal price of $8-$12 for 50/9mm FMJ's would be $18 on the low end and $22 on the high end, and that would be our new normal. Well that was my prediction for 12-18 months from now, it's not even been a week and I've got 1K rds coming @ $18/50rds so maybe we can look forward to closer to the old normal prices more than we may have anticipated.

Time will tell, not trying to start another "panic" thread, just wanted to spread a lil optimism out there and find out if any fellow THR's are seeing the same thing.....
 
I'm seeing the same. I just today got confirmation that my backorder from Optics Planet from January is processing at the price quoted: $10.89 for 223 PMC FMJBT. Everyday, they'd move the estimated date back. I thought it was hopeless, until they emailed me today asking if I still want it.
Midsouth shooters has had $12 boxes of Frontier 223 all week.
Prices still high, but way less than all other places.
I think the stimulus checks are running out and the ammo supplies are coming in.
 
It's funny just the other day the builder at the jobsite I am working on was talking optimistically about lumber prices coming down lil by lil, I know these fluctuations have been discussed (((beyond))) ad nauseum, but it is interesting to think about the driving factors and would be lying if I didn't say I also often wonder what all causes all this nonsense.

For now all I can say is that I'm glad to have some more ammo on the way and am glad I stocked up, I've been hesitant to shoot what I have but now I feel I can splurge a lil and enjoy a good old fashioned range day.....
 
I just got an email from Freedom Munitions today, they have brass cased 9mm just under 50 cents a round and brass cased 223 around 66 cents a round, which is a definite improvement. Still more than I'd pay sans desperation, but a definite improvement.

However, their only 243 is still $2+ per round which is ridiculous.
 
I see things in this regard as 'better'. "Better' is a relative word. Please do not think or claim I'm saying all is normal and prices are perfect. But it is better than a couple months ago. And it will continue to get better in terms of availability as time goes on. Not instantly, but gradually.
One of my local gun shop owners who speaks rather unguardedly to me indicates when a shipment of ammo comes in, which is not constant but better than it was, it immediately gets bought up by panic buyers. Yes, still panicked.
Prices? Inflation will grow and so will ALL prices. Guns, cars, clothes, air conditioners, everything. That includes ammunition and components.

The local shop owner sees a trend where 'popular' handgun rounds - 9x19mm - will likely be the first to return. More demand for that caliber than .44-40 or .25 ACP. Likely .223 Remington or 5.56mm ammunition will come back quicker than .357 Roberts or 7x57mm Mauser.

So be calm, don't be frantic about buying up everything you can and stick around.
 
I just ordered 308,30-06, 5.56, .223,45 ACP, the other day . Ammo is out there, but prices have gone up.
 
Archie said:
Prices? Inflation will grow and so will ALL prices. Guns, cars, clothes, air conditioners, everything. That includes ammunition and components. .
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Well then I wonder what is different in my corner of the world, because I'm seeing that the opposite is true. Instead of going up ammo and components are coming way down. Not where they were before, but the above prices I quoted should illustrate.
 
DustyGmt said:
Well then I wonder what is different in my corner of the world, because I'm seeing that the opposite is true. Instead of going up ammo and components are coming way down. Not where they were before, but the above prices I quoted should illustrate.
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I suppose I should have been more expansive in my post.

What you are seeing in prices 'coming down' is the result not of inflation, but the artificial inflated prices of "I've got it and you don't!" What we've had is a 'black market' effect on ammunition and components, promoted mostly by speculators and opportunists. This is made possible by panic buying and panic buyers.
 
Archie said:
I suppose I should have been more expansive in my post.

What you are seeing in prices 'coming down' is the result not of inflation, but the artificial inflated prices of "I've got it and you don't!" What we've had is a 'black market' effect on ammunition and components, promoted mostly by speculators and opportunists. This is made possible by panic buying and panic buyers.
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100%. If you can’t find it in stores but can find it on GB, Armslist, FB (they still sell guns and ammo on there), or various other auction sites, there’s not a shortage. The 8 million new gun owners did put a significant dent in supply. And the manufactured crisis that is CoVid put a strain on the supply chain and production. But there has always been ammo.

A shortage is relative to the individual “needing” it.
 
BigBore44 said:
100%. If you can’t find it in stores but can find it on GB, Armslist, FB (they still sell guns and ammo on there), or various other auction sites, there’s not a shortage. The 8 million new gun owners did put a significant dent in supply. And the manufactured crisis that is CoVid put a strain on the supply chain and production. But there has always been ammo.

A shortage is relative to the individual “needing” it.
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Not contradicting what you say, but in addition, every retailer of most anything tells me they can't get deliveries. It seems the trucks and truckers who deliver the goods (all sorts of goods) from suppliers (jobbers, distributors, middle men, whatever) to towns and then to individual retail outlets are all booked up for quite a while. The main exceptions are those large chains with 'in house' delivery trucks. (Walmart comes to mind.)
 
Archie said:
Not contradicting what you say, but in addition, every retailer of most anything tells me they can't get deliveries. It seems the trucks and truckers who deliver the goods (all sorts of goods) from suppliers (jobbers, distributors, middle men, whatever) to towns and then to individual retail outlets are all booked up for quite a while. The main exceptions are those large chains with 'in house' delivery trucks. (Walmart comes to mind.)
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Correct. That’s the effect on the supply chain I mentioned. I can’t go into it too much without really drifting off topic. But suffice to say, the shortage never was. And shooters didn’t do themselves any favors by playing along. If someone wants to pay $2/rnd for FMJ 9mm, $.80/rnd for 22, and $4/rnd for 30-30, that’s on them. But if you bought it, don’t gripe about it.
 
I just finished ordering four boxes of new production brass-case FMJ .308 for 85 cents a round*, and that wasn't even the cheapest AmmoSeek came up with. I think the OP's "Hallejujah" is right on.

(* Freedom Munitions)
 
wiscoaster said:
I just finished ordering four boxes of new production brass-case FMJ .308 for 85 cents a round*, and that wasn't even the cheapest AmmoSeek came up with. I think the OP's "Hallejujah" is right on.

(* Freedom Munitions)
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Still not quite back to normal, but thats pretty good.
 
The M80 7.62x51 has been available here for a couple weeks, but at nearly $1.40/shot. Frontier 5.56 has been sitting on the shelf for the last couple weeks. My 308 seems to like that ammo so I snagged a couple of boxes just to try.

However, most places have limits for the number of boxes you can buy at a time. I wonder how much that has to do with the stuff sitting for days.
 
Stopped by my LGS today. Looked very promising. 3 different brands of 9MM available in 115 and 124 grain FMJ with plenty on the shelves, though it was 48¢ a round still. Something I hadn't seen in a long while...38Spcl ..but at $49 per box of 50..a little rich for my blood. They had .40 cal... didn't see the price on it. Defensive 9MM at$29 for 20 rounds.

All this sitting in stock with no lines to get it!

Promising!
 
Yeah, uh... no. I'm not encouraged.

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Yeah, uh... no. I'm not encouraged.

This:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1301136233
Skip To Site NavigationSkip To Main ContentSkip To Footer
midwayusa-logo-v1.svg

Just About Everything®
for Shooting, Hunting and the Outdoors
0$0.00CartBlazer Brass Ammunition 9mm Luger 115 Grain Full Metal Jacket
686642.jpg


Our Price:
$34.99
($0.70 per round)
usa-flag.svg
Made in USA

goes for $13.99 a box in my local Bi-Mart when they get it in every few weeks.
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I would be, they won't be able to hold out for $0.70/rd for very long if $0.36/rd starts cropping up everywhere, which it very well could. In addition to the SG case that I just had shipped, my LGS just posted a case of 9mm FMJ for $370, it was $600 the last few months and $700 some months before that and he was one of the more reasonable retailers around, so there is definitely a shift.

I realize it's hasn't quite taken hold everywhere, as indicated by you and others, but the fact that it's even available for that is "good". I'm seeing good brands and calibers, powders and primers and a variety at way more reasonable prices than have seen in a year.

I also noticed Federal is having their Premium JHP 9mm pretty regularly available for about $1/rd for the Punch stuff and $1.50/rd for HST's.

Also, gents, I know it isn't completely back to normal, we could see it all go right back up for a number of reasons, my intent was definitely not to go on another bullwinder about "supply chain", "scalpers", or any long winded discourse back and fourth with each other about "Economics 101, supply and demand" , "panic buying", yada yada, Etc, etc.

I realize those are definitely relevant components to what we've been seeing this entire episode, but in a very general sense, it's good to see some stuff again for somewhat affordable prices. I hope the people who had it priced out of reach or who were getting porked all year get a lil reprieve from it and get to go do some shootin and break their guns in properly....
 
Not time to be joyful yet I checked ammo seek today for the first time in a month most calibers are still double to triple than a year ago, I'm not buying anything till prices come down more and yes they will there is no new normal of high prices it is just temporary. I expect another year at least before things get back to more normal barring anything happening that starts a panic again.
 
Oh and in addition to seeing ALOT more ammo available at ALOT friendlier prices I'm seeing gun prices come down a lil bit too, also seeing guns I haven't even seen in a couple years. My LGS has been getting Mossberg 590's w/ heat shield for $475 (crazy good price imo) and Mossberg 500's for $400. I am so tempted to buy one but I'm holding out for Remington to start dropping 870's again.... all good things. I'm sitting on a nice store of 9mm, .22lr and .223 I'm expecting to be able to do alot of shooting for the next couple summers. Just gotta lock down about a pallet of 12ga #8 for trap:D
 
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