Handgun Stolen While Shipped Via UPS!

[TimRB]

"Well, Mail Boxes Etc. is NOW UPS. I have never had any issues with ours and have had a box there for probably 8 years or so."

I guess this all varies a lot by location. I recently tried to ship a 22 rifle to Winchester for repair and had to go to a UPS "center" (or whatever they call it). In my area (PRK), if you take a gun to a "UPS Store", they will look at you like you're from another planet and then pee their pants.

Tim

 

[Chip Dixon]

I'm surprised you got signature required packages left by UPS drivers. I'm not sure how the computers were run when this happened to you, but as of this year around me, drivers cannot leave a package that requires a signature without one. So the driver must have faked your signature on their DIAD. (little computer that they scan the package with and you 'sign' digitally with their plastic stick 'pen') This makes the driver liable.

Every driver I've ever dealt with would never do this, they just leave a note saying they tried to deliver a package that needed a signature, but no one was there. After 3 or 4 tries the package is left at the regional hub that all the delivery trucks come from, and a delivery will no longer be attempted. The notice slips have a little barcode that the driver scans so that they can account for the package being attempted to be delivered (in place of needing a signature to actually complete the delivery)

It sounds like the driver on your route is a dishonest jackass. I'd report his actions to your local hub. The management will get on his case in a hurry. UPS management is typically not very friendly to employees when it comes to UPS money (loss prevention) and dishonesty in the company.

 

[Trigger]

I haven't taken a chance any longer with the guns. I still have the same UPS driver though. I have a watch coming so we'll see what happens this time. My experience was about 2 years ago. I'll be watching this time......

 

[moa]

IIRC, not too long ago in the Washington DC area a UPS driver was arrested for stealing over 800 guns. I cannot imagine how he managed to do this for so long and not get caught.

The driver apparently serviced some gun stores and dealers.

Something else I have heard about shipping valuables like firearms. Use multiple shipping labels with the same addresses, like four or five on the package. This helps prevent the package having its address changed if there is only one shipping label and address on the package.

 

[Majic]

IIRC, not too long ago in the Washington DC area a UPS driver was arrested for stealing over 800 guns. I cannot imagine how he managed to do this for so long and not get caught.

It was more than just one driver. They were stealing out of bulk shipments from the defunct Interarms importer. That is what caused UPS to go to the use of only Next Day Air for handguns.

 

[Wolfy]

UPS Store info.

The stores are actually franchises no different than McDonald's. I know this because I am looking to purchase a UPS franchise. So I have to wonder if you prove the UPS Store employee stole it would UPS be responsible or the franchise owner?

 

[M1911Owner]

Mail Boxes, Etc./UPS Store

I don't know if it has changed now that Mail Boxes, Etc. is owned by UPS, but it used to be that the price they charged for the UPS part of the shipping was about three times what you were charged at a regular UPS center. If you're shipping Next Day Air, that's a big difference, so that's another good reason to go to the UPS center.

 

[Wolfy]

UPS is changing it around so the MBE/UPS stores will have cheaper shipping rates because they don't want you going to the hubs.

 

[cracked butt]

I will never trust UPS to ship a gun.
The whole reason why you have to pay top dollar for overnight express delivery for handguns is because hundreds of Glocks were getting stolen at the UPS distribution center in Georgia that Glock shipped through. Instead of policing their employees better, they put the extra cost onto gun sellers and owners. Of course Fedex already had such policies in place at the time, I've never had a problem with Fedex.

I recently ordered some reloading equipment that originated in Missouri, made a trip to Illinois, then to New Mexico, a few days later to Arizona, then finally back up the states through Missouri again, Illinois, then Wisconsin- what was supposed to be a 3 day delivery took 15 days. Not impressed with UPS one bit.

 

[kernal_panic]

you guys advocating shipping fedex obviously haven't ever shipped much via them

lets see.....

business next to us shipping 50 packages a day notices fedex is loosing 1-3 small expensive packages a week. owner documents losses with spreadsheet. fedex super conducts investigation. fedex driver and loader buddy fired and arrested for grand theft.

I ship a monitor to an apartment. driver drives up infront the apartment complex and tosses monitor onto sidwalk and drives off. reciepiant is lucky he gets monitor BECAUSE HE WATCHED THE FEDEX GUY DO IT.

and happy happy joy joy i get to find out what is REALLY wrong now with a pc of ours tomorrow that was shipped across the state. fedex used it for a football.

 

[Zak Smith]

, I think it would be wise to avoid official mention of the first shipment. As I understand from other THR & TFL threads, it's a violation of federal law to ship a handgun in voilation of the carrier's rules, and UPS' rule is that handguns must go Next Day Air.

Absolutely not.

You are only required to inform a common carrier that they are shipping a firearm if it's going to a non-licensee. The previous THR threads will confirm with citations.

-z