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Have you ever had a stuck case like this?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Grassman, Apr 18, 2013.

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  1. Grassman

    Grassman Member

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    Have you ever had a .40 get stuck on the case flair die? Man this thing is stuck and won't budge. Any thought on how to get it off? I have loaded hundreds of rounds with these dies at this setting and this is the first stuck case I ever had. These are RCBS carbide dies.
     

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  2. 243winxb

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    Heat expands? :confused:
     
  3. Grassman

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    I've thought about that.
     
  4. rcmodel

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    That right there borders on the 'can't happen' school of weird things.

    I'd lay it on a flat steel surface like a bench anvil and tappy tap around it with a small hammer enough to expand the brass case on the steel expander.
    Then it will have to fall off.

    But I have a feeling there is something going on besides a brass case getting stuck on an expander.
    I just don't have a clue what it could be.

    rc
     
  5. brickeyee

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    The only carbide is the thin ring in the sizer die.
     
  6. jmorris

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    In all my years loading, I would have to say I have never had that happen.
     
  7. Grassman

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    RC, I have loaded hundreds of rounds with this set up, never a stuck case, and all rounds have cycled and fired flawlessly, so I'm stumped. The only thing is maybe this batch of brass was dirty, I didn't tumble it?
     
  8. Grassman

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    The head is all boogered up due to using pliers to try to get it off. No luck.
     
  9. readyeddy

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    Cut it with a dremel.
     
  10. rcmodel

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    That had nothing to do with it.

    I loaded for years & years before I had a tumbler and never ever saw anything like that.

    rc
     
  11. JoeDaddy

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    I've heard that using a water based tumbler will cause tight expansion. The carbon residue inside the case mouth acts as a lubricant of sorts, and the water based tumblers removes it all.

    Did you switch cleaning methods recently?
     
  12. Grassman

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    Nope, just crushed walnuts. But this was a new batch of once fired I got in, looked ok so I didn't tumble it.
     
  13. JoeDaddy

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    Maybe they (the seller) water cleaned them....
     
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    Wow. Never seen that. I would think if you have one of those butane mini torches, heat the case up a little and tap with a hammer.
     
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    I would try a propane or MAPP gas torch but I'd probably submerse the expander in a glass container full of water just leaving the brass in the air. It should anneal the case mouth and make it easier to pull off.
     
  16. Jesse Heywood

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    You can melt the brass and not hurt the steel. Main thing is to heat the brass fast. But try tapping it per rcmodel first. That will thin the brass, causing it to expand and come off. (If you work it enough it will fall off.)

    After you're through you will probably have to polish the expander, then apply some wax. It will work as a sealer and lube.
     
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    This will work.

    Squeaky clean brass and expander with a poorly fitting shell holder?
     
  18. J.R.W.

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    I'm guessing it was placed on top of the shell holder instead of in it.
     
  19. Grassman

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    You know what, that is a possibility. Hadn't thought of that. That would make it shove about a 1/4" further in.
     
  20. Grassman

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    I don't recall it ripping out of the shell holder.
     
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    Dillon expanders had a problem at one time. Starline had a fix for it. Bass may stick on the NEW Dillon expander/powder funnel. It would seem to be a design problem. Starline has a fix for it if using there brass. Its posted on Starlines FAQ. The unit is reshaped/modified.
    Could there be a 9mm case inside that 40? :D
     
  22. Grassman

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    No chance, it was sized and deprimed first.
     
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    That has to be the answer.

    There is no possible way you could tear a rim off on a expander.

    rc
     
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    That is why I like my cheap Lee dies, all it takes is a 1/4 inch rod or punch and hammer to remedy this problem if it should happen.:D I agree that it was probably set on top of the shell holder when pressed up into the die.
     
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    I've had that happen with new Starline .38 Special brass, and others have experienced the same issue. The brass has to be lubricated, since bare brass sticks, rather than slides. I solved the problem by tumbling the new brass prior to the first loading, which imparted some lube (dust, media, or whatever) to the inside of the cases.

    I stuck several before I figured out the problem, even changing dies. I stuck them on Lyman, RCBS and CH expanders, but after tumbling them, I never stuck another one. I had two of the cases pull in half, leaving the top half of the case stuck on the expander, and about 20 cases were stretched to the point they were ruined, as I could see where they nearly separated when pulled from the expander die under great pressure.

    The way I got the stuck half off the expander was taking a Dremel Tool, with a cut off wheel, and very gently cut a groove along the side of the case, from the case mouth down to the end of the expander. You don't want to go all the way through the case and mess up the expander. You just want to get the brass thin enough to release the tension, and once that's done, it will slip right off.

    You may have brass galled onto the expander, too. Once you get it cleared, you might have to polish any stuck brass particles off the expander.

    Hope this helps.

    Fred
     
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