Health Care provider asked about guns in the house!

[Justin]

IIRC, this was a play from IANSA's book, which, IIRC, called for "insurance implications" for private gun ownership.

Seems to me that would cause a market opening for an insurance company that isn't nosy about how their clients choose to exercise their civil liberties.

 

[SMMAssociates]

I suppose one could lock all the guns in the truck, answer no, and then bring them back in.

One problem....

The folks at the Rod & Gun Club want me to trade in the old Town Car, but I don't have a truck.

Guess that'd be an OK technique, though. Wonder if the wife will go for it....

My regular Doc, who's known me for more than 20 years, and knows about my LE connection, always asks me what the gun's doing on my belt.... I think he may be dipping into the samples, but he's done fine by me otherwise.

Regards,

 

[Standing Wolf]

My Kaiser Permanente nurse couldn't tell my right arm from my left. My Kaiser Permanente optometrist delivered the single worst pair of glasses I've ever had in my life. No one at Kaiser Permanente could find the M.R.I. scans of my neck.

I still can't believe I paid money for that kind of so-called "heath care."

 

[Optical Serenity]

No kidding...Well normally I've had decent luck with Kaiser, but...one of my good friends is a doctor for them, and he told me they get onto him if he sees a patient for more than 5 minutes. He is fed up with it, but they keep telling him to speed it up...more co-pays that way...

 

[joebogey]

SMMAssociates

I had some problems last year about this time that required some x-rays and later a CAT scan.

Hoping to avoid unpleasant encounters, I asked my doctor if there was a problem with the fact that I had a CCW and carried most everywhere I go.
He, and his PA both assured me that they had no problem with the fact whatsoever and both believed that a person should be allowed to legally carry.

One week later the place was posted. So much for their support.

 

[SMMAssociates]

Hoping to avoid unpleasant encounters, I asked my doctor if there was a problem with the fact that I had a CCW and carried most everywhere I go.
He, and his PA both assured me that they had no problem with the fact whatsoever and both believed that a person should be allowed to legally carry.

One week later the place was posted. So much for their support.

Joebogey:

Here in OH they have to put up a sign or tell us. (In the latter case, until you're told, there's no crime until you return.) Most of the more virulent anti's have already posted, but we have a lot of incidents here where "somebody" has told people that the must post. These "somebodies" have been insurance companies, lawyers, local Police or Sheriff's Deputies, medical societies, and folks who sell the signs!

(If the Police or Sheriff do this, it's illegal, but nobody's been able to get a complete investigation out of it yet.)

So, it's possible that the doctor you're talking about was "visited"....

However, it's probably better to not ask if you don't see a sign and see what happens. If you get 'em thinking, there's a risk , but having a law abiding individual happen to come in while carrying who doesn't shoot up the place, perhaps will help our cause.

(Here in OH the owner of a building or his agent - finding out how good the agent's status is can be iffy - can give you permission to ignore the signs if it's not a liquor issue. I would expect my doctor to do so, for example, if he or his landlord put up a sign. I'd ask him....)

Regarding HMO's.... I studied up on them about 35 years ago when the former day job decided to offer one as an option in our health care setup. I didn't have a family doctor at the time, and there were some financial advantages. Then I read more.... Most of the doctors they had to offer were graduates of the University of Guadelejara (or however you spell it). This was not confidence-inspiring at all.... I don't think I'd voluntarily choose to affiliate with one at this time. HMO's are for young people who don't need much medical care....

Regards,

 

[solareclipse]

i didn't tell my insurer i had any, why would i my health provider? however given the context in which they asked this, i will seek new health insurance company asap.

you are setting yourself up for a denial of premium at a later point.

 

[Firethorn]

For those posting about health care workers not batting an eye at weapons, I wonder if it's a case of 'It's in a holster, so he's gotta be a cop' mentality?

 

[Blue Jays]

Hi All-

If one responds to a survey (whether oral or written) that asks about firearms ownership with a smartaleck comeback, the person at the other end will simply mark "YES" to the question and move to the next item on the list. Your rates will subsequently be raised to more expensive levels.

In the example of this Kaiser Permanente paperwork, I would simply be completely untruthful and respond "NO" to the question. In the statistically very unlikely event that someone were ever injured by a firearm on my premises, I would simply advise the company that the gun had been in long-term storage elsewhere and had only recently returned to my possession or something along those lines. Being witty won't do you any good in a situation like this and can only lead to your wallet being lightened.

~ Blue Jays ~

 

[SMMAssociates]

For those posting about health care workers not batting an eye at weapons, I wonder if it's a case of 'It's in a holster, so he's gotta be a cop' mentality?

Hm....

Could be....

My Doc knows about my LE connection (although he does need a little help).

That "stranger" Doc I mentioned up the thread a ways knew about that, too, and probably noticed the holster.

Regards,

 

[solareclipse]

Hi All-

If one responds to a survey (whether oral or written) that asks about firearms ownership with a smartaleck comeback, the person at the other end will simply mark "YES" to the question and move to the next item on the list. Your rates will subsequently be raised to more expensive levels.

they can't do that and you can request to see the filled survey.

 

[Blue Jays]

Hi Solareclipse-

My best guess is that the surly frontline people who work for insurance companies won't be in a big rush to get that information into your hands. The fact that they tell you their name is "Susan" or "David" and the inability to obtain a last name makes obtaining that information even less likely.

Why create hassles for yourself that offer no benefits? Protect your interests, property, premiums, and private information by simply providing them with misinformation. That's my $0.02.

~ Blue Jays ~

 

[benEzra]

When I asked what business it was of their wether or not I had any guns, they claimed they wanted to know if they were locked up safely and correctly. While that sounds nice and cheery, I doubt physician members of the AMA (check their anti gun stances) want to simply know if our firearms are locked up safely.

Many would-be public health dictators feel that "locked up safely and correctly" means that the gun is completely unloaded, preferably disassembled, locked up, and the ammunition is locked up in an entirely separate room. Because, you know, if you had a loaded gun in the safe, you might be tempted to commit suicide or go on a mass murder spree or something--or worse (gasp), you might even violate the inalienable right of a criminal to rape and murder your family unhindered...

 

[WillBrayJr]

How would I answer???

I would tell the person to go $%#@ themselves and don't let the door hit their @$$ on the way out

 

[MrTwigg]

I haven't been asked this ...yet,

But the agency where I get my car, homeowner's, and life insurance did ask me if I had a radar detector in my truck when I renewed my policy and I told them it's none of their business, and if they asked any more invasive questions I would take my business elsewhere !

( Yes I do - for the last twenty years and that's part of the reason I haven't had any speeding tickets, accidents or moving violations! )

I would tell these bozo's the same !

 

[Highland Ranger]

If it doesn't come certified mail, I FILL OUT NOTHING.

Lots of mail gets lost coming to my house for some reason.

If you do need to fill it out, leave it blank.

I wouldn't lie.

But at the same time, I am very fed up on all the data being collected on me. Its just a matter of time before that data is abused, if it isn't happening already.

 

[TallPine]

Lots of mail gets lost coming to my house for some reason.

Yeah, same at my place ...

 

[Herself]

...And any direct question gets either a blank look or an honest lie. First Church of KYFO, MYOB congregation don'cha know.

--H

 

[longeyes]

Guns are a social disease. Haven't you heard?

 

[Manedwolf]

My Kaiser Permanente nurse couldn't tell my right arm from my left. My Kaiser Permanente optometrist delivered the single worst pair of glasses I've ever had in my life. No one at Kaiser Permanente could find the M.R.I. scans of my neck.

I still can't believe I paid money for that kind of so-called "heath care."

From knowing some R.N.'s, registered nurses, whenever you go in for anything, always see if you can get an R.N. to do a procedure like a shot or drawing blood, NOT a med-tech. The techs can have as little as a few weeks of training, and they're the ones who can't find veins. An R.N. has generally gone to school for at least four years, and they're the ones who can give you a shot and be done before you blink.

 

[Manedwolf]

they can't do that and you can request to see the filled survey.

Unfortunately, one person telling a gigantic multinational conglomerate of a corporation that they "can't do something" is akin to one person telling the ocean to stop coming into the shore with the tide.

 

[Optical Serenity]

Thats very true, a big corporation like KP could care less about one person's comments. I'm personally not that worried about it, but it did take me back and upset me to a degree because I simply do not see the relevance between firearms in the house and health care, but I guess they do.

 

[Taurus 617 CCW]

I would only answer that question if there was a chance to win a free gun involved.

 

[sfhogman]

I've been with Kaiser for years, and have yet to answer one of their surveys. It's a survey, for crying out loud! It get trashed right along with all the other junk mail.

 

[Optical Serenity]

Unfortunately twice we were handed those "surveys" before they'd see my son the first 6 months after he was born!