HI Point Polymers

[Kiln]

Ah, and how old was US Repeating Arms when it went down the tubes and Winchester was cast about? What about Marlin, Remington, or SA? Redfield? Kimber? Hopkins and Allen was one of the largest handgun manufacturers in the world at one time - died and was absorbed by Marlin almost a hundred years ago.

Pontiac has been around....eh never mind. Ditto for Mercury & Plymouth.

Lifetime warranties are so often worth the paper they are printed on. How's that Bryco warranty doing now? One lawsuit and Hi Point changes hands, washing itself of all previous liabilities, and poof, warranty is gone.

The difference is that unlike higher dollar firearms, it costs Hi Point next to nothing to build their guns because all of the materials used are extremely cheap.

Couple that with a low price that is attractive to a very large group of people but still yields a nice profit and you've got a very profitable firearms company.

I seriously doubt that Hi Point is going anywhere any time soon. They are the only gun chambered in a respectable round that you can get for $150 brand new with a lifetime warranty that is actually capable of lasting over 1,000 rounds.

 

[tarosean]

The difference is that unlike higher dollar firearms, it costs Hi Point next to nothing to build their guns because all of the materials used are extremely cheap.

Ive read that Glocks, on average cost approximately 78 bucks to produce. (either from the book or an interview with the author)

I would imagine most poly guns would cost around the same to produce. Course Glock and other large manufactures have significant overhead compared to hipoint.

 

[ErikO]

Great gun for home defense. Goes bang every time and if it gets lost in Evidence after you have to use it you're out basically the cost of a few factory magazines for just about any other handgun.

Plus, you can find them for ~$150.

If they were only a little less ugly to me...

 

[marb4]

I jumped in and bought the 995TS carbine about a month ago. Its been a great shooter and had no problems over maybe 600-700 rounds I put through it with a wide variety of ammo. If necessary, I would trust my life to it based on it performance so far. Yeah, I wish there were better hi cap mags but oh well. I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I think the newer stock on the carbines actually looks pretty cool. I have a decent collection of 9mm pistols and can see a C9 in that group some day just as a fun plinker.

 

[CarlJ]

Well..., I held a 45 cal at a LGS today. $199 plus tax. I have $ from the sale of a H&R 32 mag I sold that is going to go toward this gun. I want something cheap to keep in my truck under the seat, take on a boat..etc.

 

[oldjimstallis]

You can buy a cheap, beat up, tattered, abused Hi-point and send it to the factory. The warranty covers the gun for life, no matter who has owned it. It will be returned to you with all bad parts replaced (including magazines) at no charge to you! I've owned a 995TS for a year - 700 rounds of 115 gr. FMJ and about 50 rounds of JHP. Very accurate with a $30 TruGlo red dot and not one failure of any kind. Hi-point also sells accessories at good prices and free shipping.

 

[Ash]

Yeah, and the cost for shipping it back and getting it returned nearly equals the cost of the pistol. It is good that Hi Point honors Stallard and Iberia iterations of their pistol in any case.

Of course, we do get many, many very low posters defending Hi Point, a phenomena I have noticed for more than a decade. I think that Hi Points are fine, by the way, but I wouldn't ever carry one cocked and locked.

 

[Kiln]

Yeah, and the cost for shipping it back and getting it returned nearly equals the cost of the pistol. It is good that Hi Point honors Stallard and Iberia iterations of their pistol in any case.

Of course, we do get many, many very low posters defending Hi Point, a phenomena I have noticed for more than a decade. I think that Hi Points are fine, by the way, but I wouldn't ever carry one cocked and locked.

Send it back labeled as machine parts, it will cost very little this way. They will send it directly to your door after repairs are complete. Even if you overnight it the cost is still only about half what you paid for the gun.

On the point about low posters defending Hi Points, alot of people with plenty of posts admit that they're decent enough guns for the price. Try posting something bad about any popular firearm and you will get the same results, people join to voice their thoughts.

 

[kcshooter]

Of course, we do get many, many very low posters defending Hi Point, a phenomena I have noticed for more than a decade

That's not a phenomena. It's an entry-level gun. Usually owned by entry-level shooters. If they join here, they obviously enjoy shooting and will most likely move on to better guns. Nothing wrong with any of that.

Send it back labeled as machine parts, it will cost very little this way

I'm not 100% on this, but I believe you just told people how to break the law.

 

[Kiln]

If the gun is broken I don't see a problem with labeling it as parts. I have been instructed by two firearms companies to do this for warranty work in order to get around the Fedex overnight requirement. The other cheap option is to have a friendly FFL ship it for you.

 

[Ash]

Yeah, you can get into trouble by misleadingly sending a handgun in that way. As to the number of posts, it inevitably happens that when Hi Points are discussed, a large number of very small (sometimes 1 or 2 posts) posters show up - often registered merely to comment on Hi Points, never to reply again. New posters are always welcome and I won't try to hush anyone or shoo them away.

But I suspect there is more to it that merely novice shooters.

 

[DeadFlies]

But I suspect there is more to it that merely novice shooters.

What exactly are you implying? Some kind of conspiracy?

Most of my time here at THR is spent reading and learning from people with much, much more knowledge than me but I do post about relevant experiences with the few guns that I own, one of them being a Hi-Point.

Perhaps you are right, though; it is a bit more complicated. I think that novice shooters and people who simply can't afford better guns make it a point to defend their choice in firearms from what they might see as snobbery and prejudice from the gun owning community at large. People who own Hi-Points are probably people like me; that is they own a Hi-Point and not much else and don't want to be shamed for it by the big kids with nicer toys.

Oh, also - If you need to ship your Hi-Point back to the factory for warranty work they will usually throw in a couple of mags to help offset the cost of shipping. Good people, I tell ya.

 

[Ash]

I personally have nothing wrong with the company or the people. I'd rather be trapped with them on the Titanic than spend a weekend with Nancy Pelosi. I have way more in common with them than I have with people I have called friends in the past. Heck, I imagine Paul Jiminez, Jim Davis, or Jennings himself and I have more in common (even if I think their pistols are still junk) than I do with Rosie O.

 

[deaconaoak3]

I incorrectly put my 40S&W together( spring in wrong place) shot a couple hundred rounds through it, took it apart, pieces fell out. I took it to the dealer, He sent it in. They sent it back, fixed, told me what I did wrong, NO CHARGE. No shipping charge, no labor charge, no parts charge, NOTHING!! GREAT WARRANTY!! Great shooter by the way, very accurate, not my favorite though. I noticed the snide little remarks about hi point owners . I like my hi point and shoot it often, I shoot every gun I own. Colt 38, S&W model 10, S&W sw40ve, S&W victory 38,S&W model 59, Sig p238, Ruger gp100, Ruger sr40c, EAA .357 snub, Hi point 40, Remington 700.

 

[mcdonl]

I called the factory one day to ask about doing some screen printing for them, the owner answered the phone. It was a blizzard there that day, he told his crew to go home but he said there was nothing he would rather be doing than making guns. That meant something to me. He still has passion.

 

[PT92]

I Now Have Three HP's...

and couldn't be happier with mine when weighing/evaluating them relative to 'value for the dollar' which IMO is among the best in the industry. I started out with a C9 several years back which I picked up as an impulse buy at a huge gun-show in Missouri (that being said, I had shot the C9 before and read up on it as well so I knew for $129 what I was in for but still never thought I would actually purchase one).

Likewise I had also shot their 9mm carbine and after a few boxes of simple/cheap wallyworld ammo was quickly enamored--However, I already had a Kel-Tec Sub2000 in 9mm so I said what the heck and just bought a HP 4595TS Carbine making it my first ever .45 ACP rifle/carbine (I call it a 'poor-man's' Tommy Gun--Hey, I can dream if I want to).

I thought I was finished with them until I kept reading about the tank-like nature of their .45 handgun (as well as watching the indelible torture viral video) so naturally I had to pick one up to complete my Hi Point collection (not a .380 kind of guy). I must say it's my least favorite of the lot but it is what it is and that is a no-frills tank-like HUGE .45 ACP handgun.

So the OP asks the question what are they about? Fair enough. IMO, I get so excited nowadays given the sinking (or should I say stinking) economy when we can find something AFFORDABLE and RELIABLE (those two adjectives are not often found in the same sentence mind you). So as others have mentioned as well, that's what they are about;affordable, reliable and FUN!

-Cheers

 

[jrdolall]

May be the best bang for the buck that you can spend because the bucks required are so low.

Lots of gun snobs will talk about the low quality, weight, low magazine capacity, yada-yada-yada. Their cousin's best friends brother-in-law had one that blew up and killed him and his sister but every one I have personally been around, including my own truck gun, has been reliable and VERY accurate.

I have Colts, S&W, Ruger, Browning, Kel-Tec, Jennings/Bryco, Phoenix, Glock and CZ pistols. My Hi-Point C9 functions as well as any of them. It is in the truck and pretty much stays there but it gets shot EVERY time we go out to shoot. The only guns that get shot more are the 22s and ARs.

I have been shooting rifles and pistols since I was about 5 yrs old with my grandfather so I am certainly about as far from a gun noob as you will ever find. I LIKE the fact that I can buy an American made gun that is a good value. I think Hi Point could make a couple of small changes(mag capacity for one) and raise their price by $50. They would still be a good value.

My local pawn shop had a C9 that looked like the trigger guard had been chewed by a dog so I didn't want to buy it. I told a friend and he went to look at it for $79. The Pawn Shop sent it back to Hi Pont and got it repaired and then sold it to my friend for $79. Goes BANG every time.

 

[Ash]

It is not snobbery to address low magazine capacity or exceedingly heavy slide or really crappy finish or less-than-ideal cocked-and-locked arrangements.

It is perfectly legitimate.

 

[DeadFlies]

It is not snobbery to address low magazine capacity or exceedingly heavy slide or really crappy finish or less-than-ideal cocked-and-locked arrangements.

It is perfectly legitimate.

I agree. Those are perfectly legitimate arguments but it's all relative to cost. You can get hi-cap mags with good ergos and slick fit 'n finish but that is mostly aesthetic stuff. Even mag capacity is largely irrelevant when nearly all SD and HD shootings are over in 2.3 rounds. My C9 still holds enough rounds to finish three or four instances where I would have defend myself with it.

But you are right; to deny that H-Points are sorely lacking in many areas that costlier guns shine would be disingenuous.

 

[Kiln]

It is not snobbery to address low magazine capacity or exceedingly heavy slide or really crappy finish or less-than-ideal cocked-and-locked arrangements.

It is perfectly legitimate.

I don't think that was the point of the post, I think the point was that people who hate Hi Point pistols are usually fixated on negatives without looking at the positive points of the gun.

They are accurate, often reliable, have a great warranty, and are cheap enough that anyone can own one. For the reason of price alone I am glad these are out there. I own several pistols that costed over $600 but there was a time when I was glad to have a $75 Raven MP25. The C9 serves the same purpose that the Raven did for alot of people (though better because of the more powerful round) so I'm happy a working guy with a family can still find a gun for a fair price. People who have never been that broke probably won't understand and will say "save up and buy something else" but if you can't save money because you have to live paycheck to paycheck but still want a firearm to protect your home, you've got to settle for cheap and good enough.

I've been there and get it, some others will too.

There have to be some tradeoffs to build a gun at the price point HP firearms sell for but if you want a new gun with a lifetime warranty that costs $150 I don't think you can beat a Hi Point pistol.

 

[PT92]

I don't think that was the point of the post, I think the point was that people who hate Hi Point pistols are usually fixated on negatives without looking at the positive points of the gun.

They are accurate, often reliable, have a great warranty, and are cheap enough that anyone can own one. For the reason of price alone I am glad these are out there. I own several pistols that costed over $600 but there was a time when I was glad to have a $75 Raven MP25. The C9 serves the same purpose that the Raven did for alot of people (though better because of the more powerful round) so I'm happy a working guy with a family can still find a gun for a fair price. People who have never been that broke probably won't understand and will say "save up and buy something else" but if you can't save money because you have to live paycheck to paycheck but still want a firearm to protect your home, you've got to settle for cheap and good enough.

I've been there and get it, some others will too.

There have to be some tradeoffs to build a gun at the price point HP firearms sell for but if you want a new gun with a lifetime warranty that costs $150 I don't think you can beat a Hi Point pistol.

^^^^Well said in what I think sums it all up.^^^^

-Cheers

 

[TennJed]

I have considered getting one of their 9mm rifles for fun. Is
My post count still low enough to get one? If the post count gets high enough will the Hi Point suddenly fall apart?

 

[jrdolall]

Is
My post count still low enough to get one? If the post count gets high enough will the Hi Point suddenly fall apart?

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Once you get over 500 posts or so I think you are too advanced to own a Hi Point or at least to go out and buy one.

I really don't think the C9 is a good gun for CCW as it is just too darned bulky but if it is all you have then carry it. I have children around so I NEVER carry any gun with a round in the chamber. My kids are pretty good with guns but I feel better knowing that anyone who accidentally picks up my gun will have to rack it before they can shoot it so "cocked and locked" is not an issue for me. I know it will slow me down if I ever need it for SD but that is a chance I take.
The 9mm carbine is a blast to shoot and is also at a low price for a fun gun. I saw a couple in GA this week for below $300.

 

[sxcamaro05]

I shot a bud's in 9mm and thought it was good for the price. I ultimately waited and bought a Springfield XD9 when I had more cash. No issue with Hi Point, just I decided to wait for something I felt was better.