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It will really annoy anyone who gets shot with it.
Sorry, couldn't resist. Seriously though, against a determined attacker, or one who might be under the influence, you'd be at the very low end of effectiveness in terms of caliber. All things being equal (shot placement, attacker's clothing, round type), you'd be better off with a .38 if you were looking for a low recoil caliber.
Google "caliber" and "ft lbs" to see the relative energy in various calibers.
Sorry, couldn't resist. Seriously though, against a determined attacker, or one who might be under the influence, you'd be at the very low end of effectiveness in terms of caliber. All things being equal (shot placement, attacker's clothing, round type), you'd be better off with a .38 if you were looking for a low recoil caliber.
Google "caliber" and "ft lbs" to see the relative energy in various calibers.
Texan Scott
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I had a coworker called home in the middle of a night shift about 2 am because her husband had been shot 
by her best female friend 
on their living room sofa at 1 am 
. never found out WHY or what he did to provoke the shooting, but i'm pretty sure he wasn't right any way you look at it. not the sort of thing you ask the wife about later.
The 'lady' put a .25 acp to his head (contact/ powder burn distance) and pulled the trigger TWICE. Neither bullet penetrated the skull.
previous post about really p***** off your intruder applies.
by her best female friend on their living room sofa at 1 am . never found out WHY or what he did to provoke the shooting, but i'm pretty sure he wasn't right any way you look at it. not the sort of thing you ask the wife about later.The 'lady' put a .25 acp to his head (contact/ powder burn distance) and pulled the trigger TWICE. Neither bullet penetrated the skull.
previous post about really p***** off your intruder applies.
Onward Allusion
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Some are going to tell you that the .25ACP is completely ineffective against anything but a squirrel yet these are the same people who would have no problem carrying a .22LR. Others will tell you that all a .25ACP will do is tick off their assailant. Still others will say that they would rather have a sharp stick...etc..etc.
Hogwash. Way back in the late 80's & up through the mid 90's, I carried a crappy Tanfoglio Titan and then a Beretta 21A both in .25ACP and it saved my butt on a couple of different occasions. Would I still carry one? No, because there are pistols like the LCP, P32, & P3AT at very affordable prices. Back in the day, the only option was the Seecamp and it costed an arm, leg, & first-born - all you had to do was wait a year to get it, too!
Any gun especially one that can fire off multiple shots is better than no gun. If a Raven in .25ACP is all you have, use it by all means. However, if and when you get enough money together for something in a larger caliber then go and get the larger caliber. In the meantime, shoot for the face/eye, throat, & crotch with your Raven -- Just make sure the thing will shoot w/o fail.
Hogwash. Way back in the late 80's & up through the mid 90's, I carried a crappy Tanfoglio Titan and then a Beretta 21A both in .25ACP and it saved my butt on a couple of different occasions. Would I still carry one? No, because there are pistols like the LCP, P32, & P3AT at very affordable prices. Back in the day, the only option was the Seecamp and it costed an arm, leg, & first-born - all you had to do was wait a year to get it, too!
Any gun especially one that can fire off multiple shots is better than no gun. If a Raven in .25ACP is all you have, use it by all means. However, if and when you get enough money together for something in a larger caliber then go and get the larger caliber. In the meantime, shoot for the face/eye, throat, & crotch with your Raven -- Just make sure the thing will shoot w/o fail.
Badlander
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You will get all you deserve.
The_Armed_Therapist
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99% of the time, crimes are deterred by just showing a firearm/never shooting it.
Now, if you show a Raven .25acp and the perpetrator DOESN'T give up/run away, then you're likely out of luck. Even if you get several shots off, how many hit? Of the 2 that hit, will it stop the kind of perp who isn't even deterred at the sight of a gun? Probably not.
Now, if you show a Raven .25acp and the perpetrator DOESN'T give up/run away, then you're likely out of luck. Even if you get several shots off, how many hit? Of the 2 that hit, will it stop the kind of perp who isn't even deterred at the sight of a gun? Probably not.
If its the only weapon you own use it. If at all possible try to purchase something in a more popular defense caliber. This will be a great resource for you. Hang out here for a while and ask questions. You will soon have a better idea of what you can expect from the .25 and what else is out there that might better suit you.
Don't be discouraged. As people are fond of saying. I wouldn't want to be shot by your .25 to measure it's effectiveness.
Don't be discouraged. As people are fond of saying. I wouldn't want to be shot by your .25 to measure it's effectiveness.
Lawdawg45
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"Don't shoot Mongo with that, you'll just make him mad"...........Blazing Saddles
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Plan2Live
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An Attorney friend of mine just defended a bad guy who shot and killed another bad guy (who shot first by the way) with a .25 Lorcin. Two shots to the chest, dude dropped his 9 mil and staggered back then ran....a few feet then dropped. Dead is dead regardless of the size of the hole. You can argue that a .25 wouldn't be the first option that pops into most people's minds but a .25 in your hand beats a .45 in your closet, unless you are in that closet. 
I'd rather have a big knife or bat than a 25 honestly. We have a good family friend that is the chief of police in a city nearby and he's told me so many stories over the years. One that always sticks out is when he was called to a scene of a shooting. There was a group of guys playing poker and drinking, two guys ended up arguing for whatever reason and the one shot the other guy point blank in the forehead from across a poker table and when our cop friend arrived the guy who was shot was kicking the other guts butt and when they separated them the guy still had the bullet stuck in his forehead! It BARELY penetrated from ~4 feet away. I'd get a 22LR long before I even thought of a 25acp.
Will it fire and cycle 2 boxes of ammo without a failure?
Are you a competent shooter with this gun?
If you can answer "yes" to both queries, then it will be adequate defense for those attackers whose motivation may be easily deterred.
Mike
Are you a competent shooter with this gun?
If you can answer "yes" to both queries, then it will be adequate defense for those attackers whose motivation may be easily deterred.
Mike
Texan Scott
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I feel the need to clarify/ expand on my earlier post.
If the .25 is all you have, use it.
If a golf club is all you have, use it.
If pepper spray is all you have, use it.
My post about the guy shot twice is a true story, and I shared it to illustrate what would be my concern with having only that. No doubt the .25 is capable of being lethal. So's a steak knife. So's a good brass book end or paperweight. If they're the object most ready to hand, use them. Your life may be at stake; act accordingly. A .25 is far better than your fist. (seriously, hit a man with anything BUT your fist. a broken right hand could be the injury that costs you your life in a fight)
Remember, you're not fighting to KILL. You're fighting to LIVE. If he dies AFTER causing you a life-changing or life-ending injury, his death will be cold comfort. If he lives but causes no harm, just as good- maybe better. Above all, use ANYTHING that improves your odds of winning and living. A more potent caliber does not gaurantee this, but it might improve your odds a fair bit.
If the .25 is all you have, use it.
If a golf club is all you have, use it.
If pepper spray is all you have, use it.
My post about the guy shot twice is a true story, and I shared it to illustrate what would be my concern with having only that. No doubt the .25 is capable of being lethal. So's a steak knife. So's a good brass book end or paperweight. If they're the object most ready to hand, use them. Your life may be at stake; act accordingly. A .25 is far better than your fist. (seriously, hit a man with anything BUT your fist. a broken right hand could be the injury that costs you your life in a fight)
Remember, you're not fighting to KILL. You're fighting to LIVE. If he dies AFTER causing you a life-changing or life-ending injury, his death will be cold comfort. If he lives but causes no harm, just as good- maybe better. Above all, use ANYTHING that improves your odds of winning and living. A more potent caliber does not gaurantee this, but it might improve your odds a fair bit.
Loosedhorse
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I shot a rabbit once (he was still, at close range) with a Baby Browning clone in .25 ACP. Dropped him right there.
Wouldn't use it on a deer. Wouldn't use it on an attacker, unless I had no other choice.
Wouldn't use it on a deer. Wouldn't use it on an attacker, unless I had no other choice.
SabbathWolf
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I have a Raven 25 Cal. Semi automatic. It holds 1 in chamber and 7 in clip. How much protection can I expect with it? ?
calcats.
Unless you get real lucky with perfect shot placement on a really skinny person wearing no clothes, you can "expect" to get beat down hard while they are cussing you out in the process.
Anything smaller than 9mm or 38spl is just asking for trouble.
It's certainly "NOT" something I would trust the safety and security of my family or myself to. Not at all.
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Just for future reference, your weapon does not use clips.
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I would never say that....squirrels are tough!
shiftyer1
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It isn't what i'd call the best choice, but it's better than nothing....IF you can hit what you aim at.
I'm fairly certain these guns are meant to be belly guns
I'm fairly certain these guns are meant to be belly guns
SabbathWolf
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LOL....sure...unless the other guy is equally pumping bullets from a "real" gun back into you at the same time. You might only get 1 or 2 shots off and just "sting" him.
The .25 is possibly the worst possible choice. They lack power, accuracy, and range. While a .22lr would also be inadequate they would be better than the far worse .25 and they have the advantage of typically being bigger and more intimidating.
The Raven is one of the worst of the .25s in that it is unreliable as will as inadequate.
You'd be far better off with a single shot 410 shotgun.
The Raven is one of the worst of the .25s in that it is unreliable as will as inadequate.
You'd be far better off with a single shot 410 shotgun.
T Bran
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Well dont show it to them and tell them it is only a Raven .25 auto.
Keep them guessing any one who points any gun at me I'm outta there as are most folks even an idiot doesnt stick around to figure out what you are about to shoot him with.
It isnt even close to ideal but it is far better than nothing and you have what you have for now. Down the road hopefully you can upgrade. In the meantime limit your exposure to the wackos to the best of your ability.
Keep fresh ammo in it and shoot it enough to be farmiliar with it, aside from that prey you dont ever need it as you should with any gun.
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Keep them guessing any one who points any gun at me I'm outta there as are most folks even an idiot doesnt stick around to figure out what you are about to shoot him with.
It isnt even close to ideal but it is far better than nothing and you have what you have for now. Down the road hopefully you can upgrade. In the meantime limit your exposure to the wackos to the best of your ability.
Keep fresh ammo in it and shoot it enough to be farmiliar with it, aside from that prey you dont ever need it as you should with any gun.
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