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Homeland Security using Hi Point Carbine?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by hkmp5g17, Feb 22, 2006.

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  1. hkmp5g17

    hkmp5g17 Member

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    According to GUNS magazine!

    Also used by

    Texas Dept of Prisons

    and Tampa PD
     
  2. Ohen Cepel

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    Won't say it's not true. However, I haven't seen any.

    Maybe for training of some sort.

    Also, remember, just because they bought one for a display or mock-up it doesn't mean that they actually "use" them.
     
  3. KriegHund

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    Why use a high point when you have acces to MP-5's, UMP's, P90's....
     
  4. perpster

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    Link, please.
     
  5. hkmp5g17

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    I agree on the DHS- the article says trhe Tampa PD bought a bunch of them for cruisers and that the Texas Dept of Prisons uses them to deter escapees.

    Article was by Jack Lewis if I recall.

    He agreed with us that it's not in the same league (as far as fit/finish) as the AR, MP5, etc- but that it's a decent rifle and a good choice for those who can't afford the above firearms.
     
  6. Correia

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    I'm friends with a few DHS guys. I'm having a real hard time buying this. It is possible that one was put on a DHS credit card for some reason at some time, but as far as being in actual use? I doubt it.
     
  7. ReadyontheRight

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    To save the taxpayers money?:evil: :p :D :scrutiny:
     
  8. KriegHund

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    Now now, theres an even bigger why...

    I can see prison guards using em. Some use the Mini-14. (I remember seeing on a history channel documentary about prisons. I was saddened, as it was in somewhat poor shape :( all scratched and dinged )
     
  9. hkmp5g17

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    Sorry- no link yet.

    I saw the magazine article today in the downtown Colorado Springs library.
     
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    I'm having a hard time believing it too!

    Anthony
     
  11. swingset

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    Our local Sherriff's deputies all carry them. A few come out to my range to train, and I have talked to them alot about their carbines. They all said they were skeptical about them but they've run great and work as advertised.

    They said they've only broken one, and it was because of a squib/obstruction. Bulged the barrel, but that was it.

    Theirs are, however, some sort of "improved" model from Hi-Point. I can't recall what they said the changes were....but I think Hi-Point sells a beefed up model to LEO's or that's the impression I got.
     
  12. ArmedBear

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    It seems like they'd work for these applications, where they are seldom fired and not used as accurate long-range rifles. Why not?
     
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    They would be at the bottom of my list, but I got to admit the damn things are reliable.

    Kevin
     
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    I don't have any problem believing it at all.
    They would work fine.

    No, it wouldn't be my first choice either, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't work fine.
     
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    I'd like to read the article. I recently picked up a Hi-Point carbine expecting it to be a piece of junk. It is a pretty nice carbine though. I've only put 100 rounds through it, but they were 100 malfunction free rounds.
     
  16. Correia

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    I just know that the DHS ICE teams work with really good equipment. Including very nice M4 and precision AR variants from well known manufacturers. I can see some being bought, but being used as an issue weapon, I just can't imagine where. No bash on the highpoint, but I don't see the equipment guys buying these in any sort of number. The ICE pistol trials (that the Sig DAK won) were the most scientific and in depth pistol trials ever held for any law enforcement agency, ever. These guys don't just buy issue guns for the heck of it. I can imagine some team, somewhere bought some, for some reason, but they aren't a general use item at all.
     
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    I do odds and ends sales for a local gunshop. Mostly shows and such. Anyway, one of the guys that works there has a hi-point carbine. He bought it to see if he could break it. He's a 3000 rounds now without cleaning except the barrel. Still ticks, must be somthing to them.
     
  18. Mikee Loxxer

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    I wouldn't trust my life to one

    Accurate yes. Fun maybe. I know for a fact that the firing pin on mine broke after about 700 rounds. Others here have indicated that theirs have fired thousands of rounds with no problems. Personally I wouldn't trust my life to one, my life is worth more than saving a few hundred bucks.
     
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    TPD did not buy them for their officers, TPD mearly allowed their officers to purchase them on their own and carry them in their cruisers. The only other option for TPD officers are Colt AR-15s in 9mm. You can see why those who choose to carry a carbine chose the Hi-Point ($). I am friends with 2 TPD officers, 1 detective and 1 sergeant...I get allllll the dirt on what happens in the department. :rolleyes: In fact, I am currently in possession of one of the officer's Hi Points.

    That being said, the reason I am still in possession of said carbine is he bought it and gave it to me to "break in", sight-in and thoroughly clean and prep for trunk duty. :D However, his particular rifle is the biggest P.O.S. I have ever had the displeasure of firing. It will not fire a complete magazine without an FTF. It loves to stovepipe. I checked the magazines (which appear to be of horrid quality) and all three are differently shaped at the top. Poor manufacturing I assume....or it just doesn't like Wally World WWB and Federal American Eagle ammo?

    Now, however, Tampa has a new Chief of Police and he has authorized Colt Ar-15s chambered in .223/5.56. So I'm off to sell my friend's rifle at the next gun show and he is going to carry his Colt 16" LE HBAR Carbine. Score one for the good guys.
     
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    .45FMJoe,
    I have the same experience with the hi-point 995 carbine. I got mine a while ago
    (it cost way over msrp), and the dealer told me that it was very reliable (he never saw one jam) and accurate. With every ammo I tried (Winchester, UMC, Remington (makes UMC), Olympic, Bosnian Ammo (commercial stuff), Norinco, Geco, factory reloads (WC) I got the same result. I can rarely get through a plate run without ity jamming and nearly never an entire magazine. I have two mags, both work like crap. Accuracy is pretty good, but it doesn't shoot so who cares. The stock screws constantly need to be tightened as does the bolt handle (almost fell off during a shoot once). I do like the fit of the gun, and it 'swings' fast. For one shot, it would be a great gun, but beyond that (esp. when starting from a full mag) I don't trust it. :cuss: :cuss: :fire: :banghead: :cuss:
     
  21. swingset

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    Just to drive a point home, the Hi-Point you're having trouble with has a no-BS, no questions asked lifetime warranty, even if you're the 10th owner of the gun, so I would suggest the officer send it back to Hi-Point ASAP....no use messing around with a gun that won't run. I know the one my local sherriff KB'd was replaced within a couple of weeks, no hassle at all.

    That No-BS lifetime warranty? Colt has no such thing.

    Not trying to compare the quality of a Colt AR to the Hi-Point, just illustrating that there is something to be said for the cheap little carbine, and something lacking in Colt's customer service....and Colt as a company.
     
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    As others have said, if you are having problems with your High Point, call up the manufacturer (1-877-425-4867) and ask for an RMA.
    I bought a non-working carbine for $60. Set up an RMA and got back a completely rebuilt carbine with new furniture and magazines.
     
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    With Colt you don't need a no bs lifetime warranty because they don't shatter when you drop them. Their built military tough. Hi Point can afford the warranty because each copy is like $20 for them to make. Most people don't shoot enough to notice the flaws with this weapon. A co working dropped a high point pistol when he was hiking and its slide shattered. It was a long drop but Glocks were dropped over 200 feet with not ill effects. The Hi Point's pot metal shattered. Their POS saturday night specials.
    Pat
     
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    Yes, and all gun owners are like timothy mcveigh, and all arabs are like the 9/11 hijackers.
     
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    Several local officers bought these, because of the price. They were bought directly from Hi-Point on an LE purchase plan, and included a laser, muzzle brake, red dot sight, case, buttstock mag holders, (I believe) 5 mags, and sling. I don't know if these are hand selected if bought directly on an LE purchase, but all have run well. I have one from this purchase, and it's done an excellent job. I won't tell you the cost on an open forum, but if Hi-Point is contacted directly on an LE purchase, the price is VERY attractive, particularly considering all the extras it comes with.

    I personally know of one that is over 3000 rounds without malfunction, and hasn't been cleaned. The owner is trying to see how far it will go before falling apart. This particular carbine went to the WV State Police Academy rifle course, and fired 1000 rounds in a week without failure. The owner was laughed at the beginning of the week, but after the other carbines and rifles quit running, the little Hi-Point earned some respect. The ammo used has all been Federal American Eagle 115FMJ and Federal 124 gr Hydra-shok (although I've run a fair amount of Gold Dot +P through mine as well). Stay away from Bosnian, Chinese, Russian, UMC, junk ammo, and your probability of success will go way up.

    I think a lot of the bashing done here is by folks without personal experience. Yeah, I have AR's and other higher dollar rifles/carbines, and the quality is higher. The Hi-Point is a case, though, where you get a lot more than you pay for. If I didn't have a lot of bucks to spend, I could do a lot worse for a defense carbine.
     
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