Homeowner Shoots Suspect in Home Invasion

[beerslurpy]

Who cut the power and phone lines? Who put him in the doorway of the man's bedroom so he could get shot? As some sort of fabricated alibi to cover up a bad shoot, none of the facts add up that way. Bullet casings, leaked blood, overpenetrated bullets, fingerprints. Telling a lie is one thing, faking an entire complex crime scene and coordinating an alibi with the wife in such a short amount of time is pretty farfetched.

The reasonable and obvious conclusion is that your relative acted out of character and got himself killed. It's sad, I can't explain it, but that is what seems to have happened and it is a fully justified use of force.

Did blood tests reveal that he was on anythign at the time? Meth maybe? That seems to be a prime offender around here lately. A friend of a friend's husband got his head blown off new years eve over an argument about 5 dollars. The guy who shot him was his best friend, high as a kite on meth. Even if it wasnt meth, there are couple of commonly available drugs that can make people do profoundly stupid and life shortening things. But no one forces anyone to get high and act stupid.

 

[everafter1313]

Strikefire83

Thank you for your repect. I did visit the thread. As I said, being in that situation I would protect my family as well.

 

[everafter1313]

Not denying he cut the power. He was an electrician. Graduated with honors from Decker Trade school of Construction. Not that the homeowners fabricated anything. But, why also would the homeowner say "did ? send you here." IF everything was peaches. These are the things I am saying. Things not everyone knows abuot. You hear one side, while I am on the other with the investigators. he did what he did. God forgive him for that. His Toxicoligy report will not return for at least 1-2 months. The hospital found no major drugs in his system. trust me I had them test. B/c he wasn't himself, with that kind of action.
If it were to come back and the drugs drove him crazy. That is something nobody can answer as to why he chose that. Not to make it right, but hidden issues make people do bad things. But in there soul, they are good people. Just lead astray, easily inflluenced and burdened with issues beyond their scope.
But with certain things, it cannot be so. Maybe just around the wrong people. Wrong time. (not exactly speaking of the homeowners) I just wish the whole situation never happened for the people he invaded and our family
If you can understand where I am comming from.

 

[beerslurpy]

Well let us know what they uncover in toxicology or from the 17 year old.

 

[gremlin_bros]

Not denying he cut the power. He was an electrician. Graduated with honors from Decker Trade school of Construction. Not that the homeowners fabricated anything. But, why also would the homeowner say "did ? send you here." IF everything was peaches. These are the things I am saying. Things not everyone knows abuot. You hear one side, while I am on the other with the investigators. he did what he did. God forgive him for that. His Toxicoligy report will not return for at least 1-2 months. The hospital found no major drugs in his system. trust me I had them test. B/c he wasn't himself, with that kind of action.
If it were to come back and the drugs drove him crazy. That is something nobody can answer as to why he chose that. Not to make it right, but hidden issues make people do bad things. But in there soul, they are good people. Just lead astray, easily inflluenced and burdened with issues beyond their scope.
But with certain things, it cannot be so. Maybe just around the wrong people. Wrong time. (not exactly speaking of the homeowners) I just wish the whole situation never happened for the people he invaded and our family
If you can understand where I am comming from.

now your getting sane truth it it dosent matter if he was on druge or got mixed up with the wrong crowd what matters is he made some bad choices and it got him dead. the why may never be answered to your satifaction truth is it probably wont. you can if this thing to death if he was on drugs if he was around the wrong crowd if he did it just for kicks if dosent matter what matters is he did make some bad choices and paied for them with his life. now go home look at the two children he left you with and teach them to make better choices he let them and you down dont you let them down by not being there when they need you the most love them teach them do right by them.

 

[Stand_Watie]

Good shoot even in Gd's eyes.

"If a thief be found breaking in, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.

 

[mitchshrader]

good shoot.

convenient for all concerned. could have done a lot more damage if it'd been put off.

hope any who practice similar home invasions wind up as conveniently dead.

i will attempt, if required, to follow the good example this american citizen has provided for protecting my family.

and as for 'his little babies' parenthood is cancelled with death. good parents don't get shot breaking into houses. it's one of the known issues that defines BAD PARENTS.

 

[Kodiaz]

Anyone who is offended by the wise decision of our great governor to give the citizens of the great state of FL a complete right to self defense, should MOVE.


Leave, California, The Peoples Republic of New Jersey, Massachusetts, New York in all of these places you can move and attempt to rob people who have been disarmed by their govt.


Leave Goodbye your probably criminals so GET OUT!

 

[benEzra]

nce again I will say, I know why he got shot!! I said I would've done the same thing being in the homeowners shoes. What he did was wrong. But, the way everything happened, there is more........
People are missing that! People tend to take things into their own hands. Even when they shouldn't you tend to think unrationably in situations that can be very stressful. Not justifying. But humans are far from perfect.
The thing I am getting at is people are running him in the ground. Not even knowing the person he was. Before this situation. Saying things that arn't true of him. That he cannot defend.
I have spoke with the brother they wern't looking for a house to rob that night. Just to clarify that as well.
And if there wasn't more why are the investigators trying to find the answer to what happened so bad. Why has everyone they have spoke with say IT WASN'T HIM...way out of character.
This could be an open and closed case, but it isn't yet.
To many loose ends....

Do keep us posted. I do sympathize with your loss.

 

[joab]

I had even stated that being in there shoes I would have done the same.

Not denying he cut the power. He was an electrician. Graduated with honors from Decker Trade school of Construction. Not that the homeowners fabricated anything..

Why would he do that?

he did what he did

. Actions have consequences

If it were to come back and the drugs drove him crazy. That is something nobody can answer as to why he chose that.

No excuse,

Not to make it right, but hidden issues make people do bad things. But in there soul, they are good people. Just lead astray, easily influenced and burdened with issues beyond their scope.

Darwin is a harsh taskmaster

But with certain things, it cannot be so. Maybe just around the wrong people. Wrong time. (not exactly speaking of the homeowners) I just wish the whole situation never happened for the people he invaded and our family

But it did and wishing won't un do it

But, why also would the homeowner say "did ? send you here." IF everything was peaches

I don't hardly even know what that means


What was the med discharge for?


I'm not sure you typically get an Honorable Medical discharge It's usually a General discharge IIRC

 

[joab]

Why would a good and honorable man bring his 17 year old brother into a dangerous life alterring situation where gun play was expected.
Why would a good an honorable man threaten the health and well being of an unborn child and expectant mother?

He was there to assault and possibly murder a family for personal gain ,he failed.

That's the big picture

Whether he was there to steal drugs or money or simply there to extract revenge for a deal gone bad or some imagined slight does not matter.

He may have been a good person that patted puppies and was good to his mother prior to that and may have turned his life around after the fact and written some childrens book, but at the moment of his death but at the moment of his death he deserved to die

What was his CCW permit number ?

 

[mdavid]

1. you are probably a liar and not this persons cousin
2. if you are related then you should apologize for your cousins behavior
3. if you enter anyones house whether you know them or not in the middle of the night you stand a high probability that bad things will happen

ANYONE sneaking into my house will be met violently because I value my familes lives beyond anything, as do most on this board.

 

[DunedinDragon]

After reading through all of this I'm still a bit confused as to what Everafter hopes to accomplish here. From what I can tell she wants everyone to understand there was more to this guy and more to this situation than what has been reported, and to reserve judgement until all the facts come out.

Fine...I have no problem reserving judgement about whether or not the shooter is a good or bad person, or whether there were extenuating circumstances as to why they felt they needed to invade this home.

I'm not willing to reserve judgement the he is dead because he did something that we here in our great state of Florida see fit to say is a justifiable reason for being killed. Beyond that, there may be more facts, but it does not, and never will, change the fact that he, and he alone, made the personal decision to do something that ended his life. No matter how good a person was other than that, no matter what he felt his justifications were, that is a fact that will always remain and cannot be changed...short of them finding clear and undeniable evidence that the shooting was staged by the homeowner in some way...which appears to be pretty unlikely at this point.

When someone here says he "deserved" to die, given the facts as they exist at this point, that is absolutely TRUE. If you drive over the speed limit, you deserve a speeding ticket. If you steal from a store you deserve to be arrested for shoplifting. If you enter someone else's house uninvited and any reasonalbe person in that same circumstance would perceive you to be a deadly threat, you deserve to be shot..no questions asked...at least in Florida.

 

[brittany19]

listen i have'nt dissapeared i have a job and two kids i have to take care ofi'm not up at all hours of the night.


and for the wife the people on this web site just dont want to see the other side of this story. i'm so sorry you had to hear about this .most of the things people have said i'm shure it really hurts you as it does me .

as i said before i'm not shure what happened because i was'nt there
but something does'nt seem right even though i did'nt know him that well
i have known this family for 7 years, and everyone that i have met has been a wonderful person. all im saying is something does'nt feel right. in my heart i know something else happened.i don't have all the answers because i was'nt there. and i did'nt want to say anything that might upset the family.


you all can think what you want i don't think we will change that

again i'm sorry you had to find out about this(wife)

 

[brittany19]

i have tried the best i could to to make you all understand i don't think it matters what we say i'm open to answer any other q's but my commitment to this family comes first

 

[brittany19]

oh

and i have said myself if someone came into my house i would'nt just sit there waiting for them to kill me.


i have youger brother and sister that live with me i would do anything to protect them. all they have is me and my husband

i think you all miss understand me i just think that there are more facts that arent uncovered yet.

 

[everafter1313]

Someone dosen't "deserve" to die, given the situation. Brought down, stopped, but even I myself wouldn't aim to just kill. Yes, everyone should pay the consequences for there actions. No doubt about that. But who is to make the call death is a punishment he deserved?

There was a drug test provided for the 17 year old and also, (by the hospital) no exterme drugs in his system either. (meth, coke, acid.....)

And for the big question why was he discharged medically, HONORABLY.
asthma. He failed to tell that detail going in b/c he wanted to serve his country, part time. reserves. It runs in his family and he had been getting better with it. But whenever extremely active, (running ect.) he couldn't breathe. Seen it with my own eyes.
With all he has done wrong, latley. I will not have that taken from him.

And what I am trying to accomplish here is...
To let people understand that there are two sides to every story and you cannot always believe what you hear.(news, law enforcement even our own government) What he did WAS wrong. But it dosen't change that who he was before all of this. People make WRONG calls. I know myself I have done things that I would change now. But am I a BAD person? No! And to those of you who haven't experienced a situation like this, (hosnetly hope you don't) it is very easy to sit and make harsh remarks. But, knowing myself your attitude would change if so.
And for those that have experienced such situations, thank you for understanding where I am comming from. And sending your thoughts and prayers.

 

[craig]

guess this proves that making a "mistake" can be fatal.

 

[DunedinDragon]

Someone dosen't "deserve" to die, given the situation. Brought down, stopped, but even I myself wouldn't aim to just kill. Yes, everyone should pay the consequences for there actions. No doubt about that. But who is to make the call death is a punishment he deserved?

I'll put it to you this way then, he deserved the reaction he got, and he got the reaction he could have reasonably expected to get given the circumstances.

The fact is, most people that own guns and have any real interest in them finds out pretty quickly from forums such as this, or just talking with other gun owners that in any self defense situation you SHOOT YOUR GUN TO KILL and YOU SHOOT MULTIPLE TIMES UNTIL THEY ARE NO LONGER A THREAT. If you shoot to maim you will probably be dead, because you will most likely miss and your opponent WILL be shooting to kill. That little fact is ground into our brains from day one...the same as it is ground into the brain of a Law Enforcement Officer...and that's why THEY don't shoot to maim...THEY shoot to kill if they are placed into a situation in which they have to use deadly force. It's as much a part of our training as gun owners as any other aspect of training with a gun. Ask any other gun owner who's serious about their guns and you will get the exact same answer.

It's absolutely NO secret and a well publicised fact in Florida as well as across the country that Florida recently passed a "no retreat" law. It's also no secret that Florida is a right-to-carry state and has a SIGNIFICANT number of gun owners. We even earned the title of the "Gunshine" state from our friends at the Brady Campaign. If one chooses to ignore these facts and takes the risk of breaking into a house in this state, they have chosen to take a gamble in a VERY high-stakes game. Therefore, they should be prepared for the consequences.

As cold as it may sound, that's how it is. Every time someone breaks into a house in Florida and is shot it provides one more clear message to those people that might consider doing such a thing in this state, and that serves to protect LOTS of homes where they don't even own a weapon.

Do I feel sorry for his families loss?...of course I do. But NOTHING he has done in the past, or the type of person he might have been excuses him from the actions he took and the reaction he got. HE WAS NOT THE VICTIM HERE...HE WAS IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO VICTIMIZE SOMEONE ELSE. That crosses the line and in this state it's a pretty good bet where that's going to lead.

The fact is, the odds were against him from the moment he decided to do it given where it happened.

 

[pax]

Did this criminal deserve to die?

That's not the right question, but it's always the one people ask. Family members almost always say NO, their loved one didn't deserve to die. Self defense people then argue vehemently that some kinds of criminal behavior clearly deserve death. But both miss the real point.

No matter what you think about the death penalty, criminals don't get shot by good citizens simply because the criminals deserve to die. Criminals get shot because they successfully convince another person that someone is about to die, and the other person decides not to be the dead one.

Whether or not the criminal deserved to die is completely beside the point. The point is that the homeowner didn't deserve to die.

pax

 

[joab]

But who is to make the call death is a punishment he deserved?

I'm thinking the guy he was there to kill would be a good guess

There was a drug test provided for the 17 year old and also, (by the hospital) no exterme drugs in his system either.

But yet you have repeatedly stated that drugs were involved

He failed to tell that detail going in

falsifying enlistment papers usually gets you a general discharge

What he did WAS wrong. But it dosen't change that who he was before all of this.

Also doesn't change that Jody and Sabrina probably love each also and had future plans together that didn't include getting shot in the bedroom

I know myself I have done things that I would change now. But am I a BAD person? No

depends did those wrong things include violent armed home invasions and attacks on pregnant women

And to those of you who haven't experienced a situation like this, (hosnetly hope you don't) it is very easy to sit and make harsh remarks

My harsh remarks come from having personal experience and the belief in people taking personal responsibility for their actions


Brittany

as i said before i'm not shure what happened because i was'nt there

Here's a breakdown.
Two young men committed a criminal act on a young couple in their home ,one got shot by the home owner.
Everything else is emotionalisms

You have stated that you found this forum while searching for more info on the event, what search words did you use.
I have used several combinations and find no link to this site

What was his CCW permit number, not that it matters having a gun while in the commission of a crime is a felony by itself

 

[Desertdog]

in any self defense situation you SHOOT YOUR GUN TO KILL and YOU SHOOT MULTIPLE TIMES UNTIL THEY ARE NO LONGER A THREAT.

I will, in a way, disagree with this remark. I believe you do not necessarily shoot to kill, but you shoot to stop.

Where are the best places to hit to stop? Abdomen and chest, is the best areas to shoot for, because they are the areas easiest to hit.

The head does make a small target, which makes it harder to hit, but a head shot would stop them almost every time.

Also, shoot until all threat is removed.

In this case of a home invasion, the perps were stopped. One ran and the other did not survive.

I feel sorry for the perps families, but it was a bad choice made by the perps themselves which started it.

It would have been hard on all the families involved had the homeowers been killed, the perps caught and sent to prison.

everafter1313, I am sorry for your loss, but if it was your house being invaded I believe you should, and I hope would, do the same as the homeowner, if possible.

 

[JohnKSa]

Someone dosen't "deserve" to die, given the situation.

The law says they can be killed under such circumstances if the defender feels sufficiently threatened--that if that is the outcome, the killer can not be held responsible. So does the Bible, if you consider that a higher authority.

Brought down, stopped, but even I myself wouldn't aim to just kill.

There is no responsible self defense expert in the country who recommends shooting to wound. Especially not in the dark against someone with a loaded gun. You shoot to stop the threat, and that means aiming at the center of mass and shooting until the threat has ended. Where would you shoot to stop that wouldn't kill? The answer is that it's not really possible when facing a person with a loaded firearm. Unless they obviously surrender, they are a threat as long as they are conscious.

Shooting to wound is a TERRIBLE idea and admitting you shot to wound can often remove your legal justification for using deadly force in the first place.

By the way, saying the dead man was present on the scene due for a drug deal is a terrible way to justify his presence in a way that maintains that he is an upstanding citizen.

 

[beerslurpy]

"If a thief be found breaking in, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.

My favorite passage of the bible. Even better than "sell your cloak and buy a sword."

Btw, the commandment is "thall shalt not murder" not "thall shalt not kill." The God referenced in the bible is definitely OK with killing as long as the right people get killed. Hence the commandments to kill the amalekites, to kill burglars or to kill people in self defense, fire and brimstone, etc.

Forgiving people is one thing. Letting them murder, rape or rob you is another thing. I think the bible even says something informative about not valuing your own life enough to defend it, and how the almighty generally disapproves of this.

 

[Skofnung]

I respectfully request that the Mods check into these folks IP addys.

If truthful they are, let this go. If not, ban the low trolls and Wenzelize them. Trolling when dealing with a subject like this is reprehensible.

The bottom line is that the dude was a grown man that made the mistake of his life. I don't mourn his death one whit.

I do mourn for his children however.

I hope all the innocents involved find peace and get on with their lives.