Honolulu Police Chief says that approving a concealed carry permit......

My wife and I lived there for awhile ... had a condo at the Ala Wai Canal overlooking the golf course, Waikiki and with Diamondhead dominating the view from our balcony.

She was working for Ansaldo at the time ... they were CMing the railroad.

I worked at the Honolulu Hawaii Gun Club ... mainly a tourist stop for tourists from Japan and Australia to come shoot automatic weapons although Rhianna came in one time and I got to be her personal instructor. She's a pretty gal in person. She was preparing for a movie.

Anyways, Honolulu has been worse than NYC and California for 2A Rights for decades so I'm glad to see it loosening-up somewhat. Tulsi Gabbard and I rode in a Veteran's Day Parade together on the same float and attended a luau that night for veterans and VIPs (the railroad was a HUGE deal for them at the time) ... and everybody wanted their anti-2A restrictions relaxed. Hawaii is a strange state in a lot of ways.

Just to give everyone an idea of what I'm talking about ... I love pineapple. Pineapples are a big deal there but they're expensive. Why? Because the pineapples get loaded onto ships, shipped to California to pass inspection, then shipped back to Hawaii for sale in grocery stores.

That's just one example.

I was happy when we sold that condo and came back to the lower 48. It's whack over there ... but a nice place to visit I guess.

I was not allowed to keep a gun of any kind over there and, when Obama came to play the golf course our place overlooked ... what a nightmare with the Secret Service. Not to mention that when he would show-up they basically shut down H1 for his convoy.

I would not want to be living in Honolulu if tshtf.
 
Airborne Falcon said:
I would not want to be living in Honolulu if tshtf.
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My son and his family live in Honolulu, so my wife and I usually visit Oahu once a year. I had the misfortune to be there in Jan. 2018 when an alert came on our phones saying there were missiles on the way, this is not a test. I looked at my wife and said if it's real there is not much we can do, let's plan on going to the beach. We were staying in Pearl City, just above Pearl Harbor Navel Base, which I figured would be ground zero.

Fortunately, it turned out to be a false claim, I'm sure somebody's head rolled for that one. Pretty much no basements there, not much you can do in such an emergency. Turned out my son grabbed his family and tried to hide behind a mt. on the other side from Honolulu, smart boy. Some also climbed down into the sewers.

Interesting moment in time....
 
I was stationed at Pearl from 75-77 then stayed a few years working and doing a lot of body surfing and scuba diving. Even then the gun laws were kind of nit picky as I recall. There was an outdoor range on the way to the leeward side that I went to shoot at once in a while thinking I'd go goat or pig hunting sometime. Never did and then in 79 the 1st wife wanted to move back to the mainland so...
 
Glad to see while definitely not a lot of permits approved yet, they are approving permits!!

I was stationed there for a few years then afterwards lived there. From November 1995 to February 2011.
The process for buying a gun is definitely different then what some of you are used to lol. I got very good at the process as I started in the hobby when I was living there.

CCW was a dream then. I'm very happy that it's now possible now.
 
Aim1 said:
Very interesting.


Good for Hawaiians who've been denied their 2nd Amendment rights for far too long.




https://twitter.com/FPCAction/status/1608602399320440833?t=VTX9fEPXW_0nr50HLxoxhQ&s=19



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I see Hawaiians exercising their right and their finger at the Koko Head public gun range. Sweet range!
The range admission is free, open most of the time, and people would go out of their way to help anybody.
I remember a day when I brought a steel target, but the wood frame was too wide to fit the bases on the ground, and I was frustrated and on the way to my car when one of the locals offered his help. We went to his truck, and he had all kind of power tools. He was a carpenter, and we took the wooden frame apart, and made it work!
I said "how much do I owe you?", he said with a smile "Brah, we are ohana".
 
Tinker-S said:
I see Hawaiians exercising their right and their finger at the Koko Head public gun range. Sweet range!
The range admission is free, open most of the time, and people would go out of their way to help anybody.
I remember a day when I brought a steel target, but the wood frame was too wide to fit the bases on the ground, and I was frustrated and on the way to my car when one of the locals offered his help. We went to his truck, and he had all kind of power tools. He was a carpenter, and we took the wooden frame apart, and made it work!
I said "how much do I owe you?", he said with a smile "Brah, we are ohana".
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From what I read the Koko Head range is now closed due to a personnel shortage. The current range personnel had somewhat elevated lead levels, though not over gov't standards, and they have not been replaced.

Now local legislators are saying the range must be a hazard to the community, I don't doubt they will at least try to shut it down permanently.

Hoping for the best for the Oah'u gun community.
 
" It'll be the Wild West, a bloodbath, blood running in the gutters, I say!"

Just like every other state that has shall issue turned into.....

Hawaii is a nice place to visit wish I could have stayed longer than overnight, but the Army had other plans..... I did get to see Pearl and the USS Arizona monument from the air though, that was cool.
 
Stayed in Honolulu for two weeks with a side excursion to the Big Island back in the seventies. My eyes actually got tired of the beauty.

I later discovered the gun site 2ahawaii dot com and was on there for a long time as 230RN, but eventually got absolutely frustrated with the apparent "acceptance" of firearms restrictions in general, even by the "gunnies"on the board. I'm still logged on and recently got an e-mail birthday greeting from them, but it was apparent to me that most of the population consisted of groups of people from the Pacific Islands and Japan, and seemed to have been born with an ingrained acceptance of authority, no matter how onerous.

Having been born and raised in New York City, my perspective was how similar this was to the New York attitude of "You can't fight City Hall."

I finally quit visiting the site. It was like watching somebody mistreat a puppy.

Yeah, the "gunnies" there are OK and are at least vaguely aware of how "downtrodden" they are, but still, that attitude came through to me.

I even looked at a translation back into English from the Hawaiian rendering of the Constitution and where the second Amendment refers to "the people," the word "militia" appears in parentheses, as in "the right of the people (militia) to keep and bear..."

Now that was then, and it may have been a unique re-translation from the Hawaiian, but nevertheless, there it was.

I am sure sorry that the Chief has to injure his own perspective on concealed carry. Sniff sniff.

Terry, 230RN
 
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I was in Oahu for three months from October to December of 2020. I'd go back in a HEARTBEAT.

I stayed at the Ohana Waikiki Malia hotel on Kuhio Ave. Crossed the Ala Wai Canal every day for work at the shipyard. Drove all over the island I don't know how many times and went by the Koko Head Public Shooting Range innumerable times. It's right next to one of the trails I hiked, in fact: Koko Crater Railway Trail.

I'd say "unfortunately, I didn't visit the shooting range" except that I was having the time of my life hiking the bejeebers out of the island every chance I got. I can shoot all I want back home. But I did miss having my carry with me. I never checked to see if they had anything to rent, I was so busy sightseeing in my free time. And I don't think many of my co-workers there had anything to shoot anyway.

I'm happy Hawaii is finally opening up with the concealed carry issue...but I don't see me being able to easily bring my own to Hawaii any time soon.
 
doubleh said:
59 permits out of a population of about 351,000 is not exactly impressive in my book. .
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Meh.

That's 59 out of 41 people who submitted applications so far, with 600 applications submitted.

That's MILES above places like New York. Through August 28 of last year, 3,058 new handgun permits were submitted according to NYPD statistics, not ONE of which was approved. Any bets as to how many have been approved since?

59 doesn't sound like much. But Hawaii has a culture that's far different than mainland United States and they simply don't have that many guns there, either. Their gun laws have been very restrictive for a long time and that, too, has become part of their culture. So 59 is a HUGE deal...more so when you look at their statistics on the matter, small though those numbers may be, and compare them to the statistics of other places which have historically had very strick gun laws. New York, Chicago, etc. If we assume that this 59 is out of 600 (so far), that's nearly 10% approved so far. The remaining just haven't been completed and ready for his review yet.

Let's see how those statistics fair over the coming months.
 
People forget that the Sandwich Islands, as they were known long ago, was a kingdom that had been in the hands of the royal family for many years until it was added to the stars on the flag courtesy of missionaries, corporations, issues in the royal family and probably a choice of the lesser of a variety of unfortunate circumstances. The history is fascinating and helps to understand that their story is quite different than that of the early crown colonies. https://www.gohawaii.com/hawaiian-culture/history
 
entropy said:
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And, "The West" was largely only "wild" in the movies, not o much in real life.

Further, for the antis, the "wild west" was clearly a paradise, as many of the larger frontier towns prohibited carry of any arms.

Probably more "shootout" murders in just one Sergio Leone movie than in the entire history of "the West" from 1865-1905.
 
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