Honolulu Police Chief says that approving a concealed carry permit......

[danmc]

Stayed in Honolulu for two weeks with a side excursion to the Big Island back in the seventies. My eyes actually got tired of the beauty.

I later discovered the gun site 2ahawaii dot com and was on there for a long time as 230RN, but eventually got absolutely frustrated with the apparent "acceptance" of firearms restrictions in general, even by the "gunnies"on the board. I'm still logged on and recently got an e-mail birthday greeting from them, but it was apparent to me that most of the population consisted of groups of people from the Pacific Islands and Japan, and seemed to have been born with an ingrained acceptance of authority, no matter how onerous.

Having been born and raised in New York City, my perspective was how similar this was to the New York attitude of "You can't fight City Hall."

I finally quit visiting the site. It was like watching somebody mistreat a puppy.

Yeah, the "gunnies" there are OK and are at least vaguely aware of how "downtrodden" they are, but still, that attitude came through to me.

I even looked at a translation back into English from the Hawaiian rendering of the Constitution and where the second Amendment refers to "the people," the word "militia" appears in parentheses, as in "the right of the people (militia) to keep and bear..."

Now that was then, and it may have been a unique re-translation from the Hawaiian, but nevertheless, there it was.

I am sure sorry that the Chief has to injure his own perspective on concealed carry. Sniff sniff.

Terry, 230RN

Where have I seen that type of translation in parentheses think before ?? Oh yea- now I remember…

 

[Tinker-S]

Same at Ft. Ord in Monterey CA when I was there for basic. The fort is closed now.

Did you wear a mop head on your helmet like the troops that went to Panama?

 

[Tony50ae]

There are a few more outdoor ranges on island, but some if not most are for members only, and there is always a waiting list.
I remember using the USMC range, and we were firing towards the ocean. Talking about contamination!

I used that same range for deployment while in the Hawaii National Guard back in 2004.

 

[230RN]

Sure, I'm looking at line of sight. Everything else you mentioned could apply to nearly every outdoor range anywhere.
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Absolutely true. But you seemed to emphasize the line of sight issue to the neglect of ricochets and accidental upward discharges. Forgive me for misunderstanding.

Extreme ranges of firearms has been a minor problem, mainly in finding out just how far will a gun shoot in actuality. Hatcher has a whole chapter on that. He found machine guns would not shoot as far as the military specs said, and I recall that the extreme range of all .22 rounds used to be one mile, as printed on the boxes, and was later changed to one and a half miles. Obviously just "legal" guesswork, because the same range is used for all .22 cartridges.

So "extreme range" seems to be a matter of calculation assumptions for the most part, with built-in plus factors for safety's sake.

Finding actual impact points from 22 firing, for example would be difficult. Machine gun bursts are pretty obvious from the multiple splashes over water, but guesswork and luck would be involved in getting close enough to the actual impact points to determine range in the first place.

Forty-five degrees, by the way, does not result in maximum range for small arms except in a vacuum. Max range for the .30-'06 cartridge seems to be at about 29 degrees elevation.

Terry, 230RN