Hornady: "We change everything 10/27/15"

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ELD-X and ELD Match B.C.

Time to pull the toughbook and chrono. If these crazies are telling the truth you'd have to be a fool not to try them.
ELD-X "Hunting" 30 Cal .308s
(G1/G2/Sec. Density)
178gr= .535/.271/.268
200gr= .626/.315/.301
*212gr= .673/.336/.319*
220gr= .650/.325/.331
ELD "Match" 30 Cal .308
*208gr= .670/.335/.313

Ha, heat resistant polymer tips. Isn't it a little concerning this wasn't part the initial polymer design?
 
In my entire life I have never been so underwhelmed.
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You know, it is about marketing. Had they said that they developed a couple new features to eek out the better precision needed for long range hunters make better shots, correcting for (amongst other things) a problem not previously understood (calling it "unknown" was a poor choice of words), I bet people here would be going, "Wow, that is pretty neat." Instead, Hornady proclaimed to change the world and when that didn't happen, disappointed the World's members.
 
The only thing that changed for me is the introduction of the hornady food dehydrator. There's been a slow creep of my reloading equipment toward the kitchen. The hornady food dehydrator will really bridge that gap.:eek:

I'd be more interested in the 7mm offerings if they were bonded. As someone else also mentioned, they don't have them in .277. Which is disappointing.

I'll probably give them a try. if they "change everything" for me, I'll post it here.

BTW: I really do want the Hornady food dehydrator. I have a Norco that died last year.
 
Double Naught Spy said:
You know, it is about marketing. Had they said that they developed a couple new features to eek out the better precision needed for long range hunters make better shots, correcting for (amongst other things) a problem not previously understood (calling it "unknown" was a poor choice of words), I bet people here would be going, "Wow, that is pretty neat." Instead, Hornady proclaimed to change the world and when that didn't happen, disappointed the World's members.
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Overhype and underdeliver?

I think they're giving Nosler a run, time will tell though...
 
The bullets will get thoroughly tested by shooters who burn up barrels on ranges regularly. The Amax bullet has a very good rep for a cheap bullet in the calibers and weight ranges offered in these new bullets. If they are an improvement over the Amax the price will be accepted without a hitch since they are suggesting near Berger performance for much less. That doesn't mean much to a shooter who may put 100 rounds through his rifle in 3-4 years but it does to those using 500 and more bullets per rifle per season.
 
I suppose now the existing tipped bullets ive worked up loads with will become as tough to find as the old spirepoints are now. Also surprised to see they overlooked the 257 size. Its much more popular then the 264 size in this country
 
What I don't understand is, if the little red tips aren't melting off .220 Swift bullets at 4,000 FPS and ruining accuracy at 400 yards? ( Which thy aren't.)

Then why are they melting off long range bullets going half as fast at 800 yards??

rc
 
I will be happy if the terminal performance on game of the ELD-X bullets delivers as promised while retaining the accuracy of the Amax. The Amax is light on construction and prone to jacket separation in my experience.
 
Berger has been selling bullets with similar BC's for a while now. On paper the Hornady's are a bit better. If anyone doesn't think this is important they don't fully understand ballistics. I've seen loads with some high BC Berger bullets fired from a 308 that still have over 1500 ft lbs of energy at 800 yards.

And you don't have to shoot long range for it to matter. At ranges as close as 100 yards bullets in the .6 BC range will be faster than another bullet with a BC in the .4's even though the less aerodynamic bullet was started 50-100 fps faster.
 
sounds like hornady is trying to take away some of the berger hunting vld market share.

murf
 
My guess is that 10% of reloaders of 6.5mm,7mm and .30 cal. bullets consume 70% of the production. The order of criteria for bullet selection by that group is a balance between accuracy, price and terminal performance. As I said that is a guess but I imagine that is Hornady's target market.
 
OK, OK, the bullets are probably good.

What about this 2016, ..... "change"? RCBS is going aluminum....so Hornady delivers some beef in iron. Their new single stage tank. I might like that.....if I ever need a new press.....I do like the Summit-like open face and the Rock Chucker-like linkage......Yeah, so it's a little homely....you want a good press or a pin-up?
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Yeah, so it's a little homely....you want a good press or a pin-up?
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I rather like it's "face"...much more character with the angled support

I think, if you were to mount it atop an Inline Fabrication Ultra Mount, it would look like a Gundam or Deceptacon on your benchtop
 
I like the Iron Press. My only issue with it is the price. $268.81 is Hornady's MSRP. MidwayUSA is advertising it at $249.99 when it gets in stock. For $20 more I think I'd be tempted to step up to an RCBS Ammo Master 2. The Ammo Master 2 might not be ideal for "normal" single stage reloading, but it does something that most other single stage presses can't, load .50BMG. I don't own a .50BMG rifle, but I plan to. That's just my point of view. I can easily see how the Ammo Master 2 might not appeal to most reloaders but it does appeal to me given my future plans. I think Redding even has a single stage (or a couple) that will load .50BMG in the same ball-park price as the Iron Press, and the Redding(s) are cast iron too.
 
If that is you only criteria 1) being able to load .50BMG and 2) being made of cast iron, you can save a lot of money by just going with the Lee Classic Cast Single Stage for about $100...and it would have superior spent prime handling capabilities
 
I like some of Lee's products and I know that the Classic is much superior to their Challenger, but I just can't imagine the Classic handling .50bmg as well as the presses that are designed mainly with that purpose in mind.

I'm just kinda stumped as to Hornady's intentions for the Iron Press. It looks like a good press but I just don't see much advantage that it has over some of its competitors. Maybe I'll have to watch the video again and pay more attention. But that'll have to wait, this insomniac is going to bed.
 
KansasSasquatch said:
I like some of Lee's products and I know that the Classic is much superior to their Challenger, but I just can't imagine the Classic handling .50bmg as well as the presses that are designed mainly with that purpose in mind.
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It handles it just fine. People swage w/ the Lee CC press. Reloading 50 BMG is a walk in the park compared to swaging.

By the time you're done w/ the add ons for the Hornady you're at the cost of a Dillon 550B. The Hornady is a single stage. I will never understand why people spend what they do on one.
 
It occurs to me that up until Hornady's announcement I've been striking down my prey with righteous fire-tipped bullets... Not sure I want to give up that Zeus-like ability for a little extra BC.

I suspect that perhaps Hornady is not the first company to realize that polymer tips were melting, smoldering or deforming in flight. Most likely, what they are is the first company to come up with a way to mass produce in-tolerance tips out of phenolic, or whatever they are using cheap enough to be marketable.
 
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