How do you get 1911's to feed hollowpoints

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As the cartridge glances up on the feed ramp, it glides across the top corner of the barrel ramp...not touching any part of the ramp below that point. Or..at most...barely rubbing it as it moves forward and up. Not ideal, but acceptable as long as it's very light contact.

Relate it to pushing a heavy box up a flight of steps. You want it to glide over the top corners and never let the face of the box hit the face of a step.

As the cartridge glides over the corner of the barrel ramp, and starts to break over to horizontal, it places a downward force on the barrel, which keeps it on the frame bed.
This keeps the angle at a minimum, allowing the cartridge to break over to horizontal with less resistance. The advice to lightly roll and polish the top corner of the barrel ramp is sound...but only a little. Don't overdo it. That's a case head support area.

Once the cartridge breaks and enters the chamber, the slide moves forward and finishes chambering it...and the barrel doesn't move forward and up until the breechface contacts the barrel hood. In some few pistols, the breechface guides effect the barrel engagement timing by contacting the chamber face. These are usually the ones that have an overly short hood.
Proper timing is effected by the breechface and the barrel hood.

The result is a pistol that feeds and goes to battery with authority. There is no hesitation, and there's no "Ka-Chunk" feel or sound as it feeds. Just a satisfying "SCHHHHLACK" as it functions...no matter if it's the top round or the last...or anywhere in between. These are the pistols that seem to eat anything that we throw at'em with equal relish. These are the ones that don't set the bullet deeper in the case even after repeated chamberings. Given proper extractor geometry and tension...these are the ones that are so reliable that they're boring.
 
Mavracer asked:

I have a Charles Daly commander length 1911 feeds any thing with a rounded profile but truncated cone or swc will go up ramp and hang up on bottom of throat.

Your feed ramp is probably out of spec. That angle should be 31 to 31.5 degrees...period. If it's 32 degrees, it's too shallow, and will guide the bullet nose into the barrel ramp...which is what yours sounds like it's doing. That it feeds rounded bullet profiles indicates that it's probably tot too far off.

With hardball...chambering the top round from slidelock by tripping the slidestop...does it go: "Ka-Chunk"? If it does...that's probably your bug.

Another possibility is that the barrel to frame gap is insufficient. With the barrel in the frame...slidestop installed...and the barrel pushed fully rearward and down...there should be a minimum gap between the bottom of the barrel and top of the frame ramps of a 32nd inch. It can be a little more...but not less.

Another critical angle is the barrel ramp itself. You have a little more leeway than with the frame ramp...but there are still limits. About 20 degrees is the minimum. 25 is better, as long as the ramp doesn't go too deep in the chamber. Again...Remember case head support. If you lose it too far forward on the cartridge case...you've got problems of the ka-blooey variety.
 
How do you get a 1911 to feed hollowpoint rounds??????? I'm stumped. They all feed 230grain ball without a hitch.

If the answer is, buy another model, please specify a model that you have had good luck with.

I have a PT1911. Admittedly it's fairly new, but I just function tested it with 50rds of WWB hollowpoints, after approx 400rds of (blazer/fiocchi) ball. Not a single hiccup.
 
Tuner...What magazines do you prefer?

At the present...7-round...standard dimpled follower, with a good spring. Wolff 11-pounders are my go-to springs whenever I have the need.

Now, hold onto your seat...

I like USGI magazines...the real ones, and not gunshow fakes. The best aftermarket magazines I've found thus far are the ones that Check-Mate Industries and Metalform make for Colt. I refer to'em as "Hybrids" because they combine the gradual, later release of the GI hardball mags and the timed release point of the wadcutter-type magazines. Very often, using these magazines and doing nothing else to the gun has cured many a feeding/return to battery issue. Not on all guns...but on a large percentage. They're made by the vendors to Colt's specifications. OKAY Industries also supplies Colt with the same magazine, but their quality isn't quite up to the standards of the other two.

Metalform won't sell the magazines unless they have an overrun on a Colt contract. Check-Mate will...and they're a little cheaper than Metalform. They also offer a sizeable discount for orders of 50 or more...and the price per unit drops agains at a hundred, and again at 250. The springs are apparently as good as Wolff's 11-pounders.

Now for the 8-round fans:

Check-Mate has designed and redesigned a follower and spring that offers the best promise of a flush-fit, 8-round magazine that is as reliable as a 7-round stick...or at least it's seemed so in fairly extensive testing by myself and a few other people...and they're available with the hybrid type lips OR the early/abrupt release wadcutter type. The price is the same.

Testing hasn't proven to be definitive as yet. They haven't been on the market long enough to make that call...but it looks very promising so far.
My pistols are so utterly reliable that they really can't be a litmus test for the magazines...but many other people who have used them in off-the-rack pistols report the same things. Smoother feeding...completely reliable feeding with a variety of bullet shapes...reliable slidelock on empty...and only one has reported a failure of the magazine to drop free on release...and that was with one magazine. Check-Mate replaced it without question.

They enlisted my help in the follower design, and used my suggestions. If that sounds like a little braggin'...Guilty. I'm proud to have been a part of it, and my only payment was 6 free magazines to keep after my part of the evaluation was over. it was a completely fun, interesting, and satisfying endeavor...and even though I've scoffed at 8-round magazines since before WW1...I may be forced to eat my own words in another year. I sincerely hope so.

Disclaimer:

I am not in the employ of Check-Mate Industires, and I do not receive any royalties nor any compensation for my part in the design. Neither do I receive free merchandise beyond the 6 freebies that they sent during the R&D and evaluation. I don't own stock in the company, and have no financial interest in its well-being.

If you decide to give'em a call...ask for Jackie Vieweg. She is lady of the first order and a pleasure to speak with. Tell her that Tooner sentcha. ;)
 
Lots of good ideas generated here. I sense some 1911

fans with some experience debugging some older models.

Well, I tried the what TimboKhan said and polished the feed ramp and the top hood of the barrel and it's corners with some 600grit paper oiled with CLP. About 10 minutes of finger polish. Never felt so close to the mag well or the chamber on a 1911 that is for sure :).

Did this to the Colt series 80 and the RIA cheapo. I practiced hand cycling both after the polishing jobs with the deepest cut JHPs that were giving me most problems. The RIA I could not get to fail to enter battery. The Colt, still wouldn't work. Improved, yes, but it was rare that I could hand cycle a full mag without a 3 point hitchup.

Took the RIA to the range today and put 150 rounds of the JHP down the pipe. Only 2 FTBs that I actually fixed by just bumping the back of the slide and it tapped and locked those two. I compare this to 2 FTBs per magazine on all 22 mags I have prior to the fluff job. Damn, this was quite an improvement. This was at least 95% of the issue. I did miss someones recommendation to buff the chamber face around the firing pin, as it does have a very slight burr outward from the firing pin chamber. I'll try that next, but this is a huge improvement.

I did get the Colt working with CBC headstamp JHPs. I think they are Magtech, but were in the old mixed bag o' 45acp. I may end up setting with a select few JHP loads that the Colt will eat. Not the end of the world.
 
I own a Star PD (I know, it's an old piece of crap) but it's never failed to feed and fire anything I put in the mag. (although the .22 LR rounds do group erratically):eek:
 
I have an early edition of your "old piece of crap," :rolleyes: and it doesn't bobble either. It will also put its shots into one ragged hole at 50 feet, and rattles if you shake it. :scrutiny: ;)
 
yes, I too have a piece of crap Star PD that is. . . . .

monotonously reliable and pleasant to carry. It has a crappy trigger and crappy sights and if something ever breaks I'm going to have a crappy time trying to find parts for it but what the crap - so far, so good. ;)
 
If it feeds FMJ reliably I would just stick with those. I'm not sure standard velocity hollowpoints expand reliably enough to make a difference but +P rounds might do better. The .45acp is still devastatingly effective with a nice 1/2" hole in the front and a big nasty hole out the back. Over-penetration shouldn't be a big problem either.

Also try Cor-Bon powerball. Nasty stuff!
 
Coelacanth and Fluff:Bless you guys, I thought I was the only one. "Rattles if you shake it!!" You got that right. Sounds like a coffee can full of washers falling down a flight of metal stairs. Wouldn't trade it for anything! I can't tell you how many smirks I've gotten from high-dollar clone owners when I bust out the PD. It's a dandy shooter, and I'd stake my life on it's ability to make a bad guy lose interest in messing with me.
 
twinhairdryers...You're almost there. Sounds like a little extractor tweakin' is in order. A little less tension, maybe. Maybe a bevel on the bottom corner of the tensioning wall to ease the pickup. Simple/detail stuff is all.

If you do more polishing on the feed ramp, please be very careful to avoid the top corner. It doesn't take much radiusing there to go from honey to vinegar.
 
The Star PD was the first of the sub-compact .45's, and like many "firsts" it had some issues. But unlike a lot of the newer high priced clones, it not only worked but did so without any tweeking, polishing, or high-cost aftermarket magazines. It is generally lost on a lot of today's buyers that the ones that rattle are the ones that give the fewest problems. ;)
 
Kawhead, if you feel the need to get rid of that "piece of crap" pm me. I've been looking for a "piece of crap" like that.
 
1911Tuner - You're almost there. Sounds like a little extractor tweakin' is in o

Damn. Now I have to learn more and figure out how to tweak the extractor tension.................. I knew it would come down to figuring out this technique. But. as they say grasshopper. Read....learn.....put away the dremel.......tweak.........test..........shoot.........shoot........shoot......ah yes - 1911 Nirvana!

I agree. I could actually see that on both the FTBs on the RIA and Series80 that the rim was snagged coming up on trying to get by the extractor or on the back face of the chamber.

Now - I have removed my extractor, but how do I lighten the tension????

I almost did a small dance on the range line when I pumped 148 casings out of 150 through a 5" circle at 15 yards. But then I caught myself, and reloaded my mags. By the way, 4" groups in 2 mags at 15 yards if as good as I shoot free hand, so don't dig on my capability. Plus, I have 400 bucks in this RIA including mags. A race gun it will not be. A nice range shooter. It is.

I always sort of laugh when a pro tells me things like "to ease the pickup. Simple/detail stuff is all.".

I think it is the simple/detail stuff is what gets me. I was shooting a Ruger Single six at the range today and the entire front rib that ejects the spent casings fell off the gun. It took me 10 minutes to figure out that the one small flat screw that holds the entire assembly into the barrel had worked loose and the whole thing fell off. Needless to say, a dab of red screw locker and I'm sure I would never get the thing off if I wanted to......Mechanical, no.
 
Colt series 80. Funny thing is, I have fed 4000 rounds +

into it of every type of ball ammo you could imagine or even purchase and it didn't hitch up once. I switched to a couple varieties of JHP and it turned into a latch up school girl. I definately found out what ammo this thing was designed for. Trying to "tweak" it to feed 21st century ammo seems like a challenge. It may be one of those guns that you keep it for what is was worth, shoot what it was designed to shoot, and stop bitchin and not polish or tweak it.

Or, I could sell it and buy a 1911 that chambers most everything. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.. not sure. I like the way it shoots and handles for a mil spec arm it shoots better than I would expect.
 
1911Tuner said:
Metalform won't sell the magazines unless they have an overrun on a Colt contract.

Brownells sells Metalform Magazines and they also sell the Metalform dimpled follower separately.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=9210&title=1911 AUTO MAGAZINES

1911Tuner said:
Wolff 11-pounders are my go-to springs whenever I have the need.
They also have the Wolf springs:

Standard Extra Power:

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/st...4&title=1911 AUTO EXTRA POWER MAGAZINE SPRING

Chrome Silicone ("set resistant"):
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/st...&title=1911 AUTO CHROME SILICON RECOIL SPRING
 
Brownells sells Metalform Magazines

Not the Colt-designed "hybrids" they don't. In order to get those from Brownells, you've got to go to the Colt factory parts catalog in the back, and order Colt 7-round magazines. Pricey...and you may get a Metalform...or a Check-Mate...or an OKAY mag. Depends on the luck of the draw.

Metalform dimpled follower separately.

Last time I checked, all they offered were the Metalform round-topped followers. Hope they've started selling the standard followers...even though the slidestop elevator shelf isn't quite to spec.
 
Last time I checked, all they offered were the Metalform round-topped followers. Hope they've started selling the standard followers...even though the slidestop elevator shelf isn't quite to spec.
Ah, I was wondering about that description. The picture clearly shows a dimpled follower, but they do refer to them as round topped.

Not the Colt-designed "hybrids" they don't. In order to get those from Brownells, you've got to go to the Colt factory parts catalog in the back, and order Colt 7-round magazines. Pricey...and you may get a Metalform...or a Check-Mate...or an OKAY mag. Depends on the luck of the draw.
Darn. Oh well.

So is Check-Mate the only source for Check-Mate mags?
 
So is Check-Mate the only source for Check-Mate mags?

Is that like a trick question? :scrutiny:

J/K

Check-Mate is the only source for Colt's patented design without paying for the prancin' horsie...UNLESS...Metalform has an overrun that they haven't stamped the Colt logo on yet. Sometimes they'll have a dozen or two...but they're expensive unless you include them in a 40-magazine bulk order.
 
How do you get 1911's to feed hollowpoints

well first i place the HP in the magazine
then place the magazine in the pistol

and wow. they work! good job Para Ord.
 
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