I was telling Daddy about this thread earlier today. We've always just set up where we figure/know the deer will be and waited and that works. But, Daddy said he's been in on drives and agreed that this isn't the easiest way to hunt deer. He said he's watched deer ahead of the dogs and the deer know full well what they're doing and how far back the dogs are. He said mostly, down in Alabama where they hunted, they'd run short-legged Beagles and they didn't push the deer as fast. On the other hand, some of 'em did run some long-legged hounds and the race was on. In the latter case, he said when the deer came through, it was fast and then it was over. He said it's mostly a social event with the dog work involved... the dog guys goin' at it with "my dog's better'n your's". He said, in the social aspect, that if you had 12 guys and they only got one deer, everybody'd go home with meat. Daddy also told about one time some other guys were having a drive on our cousins' place... these two deer cut out to Daddy's side and he heard 'em coming and set up on 'em. Those two deer weren't in any hurry either and Daddy got 'em. That brings me back around to how we set up and wait... I can recall several years ago, there were these two idiot dogs across the road and they'd run deer. I'd leaned on a tree as long as I felt like that evening, so I slung my rifle and started to head back to the house. Well, I looked up and across the field and there's this buck... I guess he was about 2 year old, five or six points... coming bouncing across there. Well, this buck came right up within 15yds of me, looked at me, looked back the way he came, and then took three jumps out of there and was gone. That's when I saw the neighbor's stupid dogs running wide open. That buck... he may have been young, but he wasn't stupid and he looked like he was having fun leading those dogs. He probably just circled back around and went back where he wanted to be to begin with.