How easy is it to actually take away a firearm?

[Hardtarget]

I don't know if its easy or not. But I do know it happened this week here in Nashville, Tn. A 20 yr. old guy tried to rob a little store. A customer was at the counter. He made a grab...got the gun...and shot the perp in the leg. Perp is still in the hospital. This is the best part!...the customer is 72 years old!.I saw him on the news. He was "getting around", but not front runner for "Spry Senior Award"

So I guess its true. "The'll just take your gun and use it on you".Who'd a thunk it?

Mark.

 

[DawgFvr]

It's far easier to take away the bullets...one at a time...hold them inside your chest for safe keeping.

 

[brownie0486]

I'm not surprised at the answers from some that it's not easy.

If you'll take the time to look at the link I provided some time ago in this thread, you discover it's not that hard to get the gun off your body, and take control of it if it is within your arms reach [ the closer the better, of course ].

What IS hard is the mindset that you have to have that you can do this, that it's "doable" without a lot of fussing/putzing around. More importantly is the mindset that you WILL succeed and not having second thoughts about the success of this.

People defeat themselves mentally before having the training/knowledge in the "how to" and then sometimes afterwards even when shown it is not only plausible but a workable solution within it's own parameters if given the opportunity to use it.

Brownie

 

[686+]

welll....

Here is what I think about the grab the gun thing:

...a long long time ago, in a place called Kalifonia, in the west side Y parking lot, there was a brown belt getting into his car after practicing Jusjitsu for about 2 hours. He was in a hury to get home so he left as soon as he took his final bow. As soon as he sat in his car, a Robing-hood type came up and held him with his long bow, errr... gun. He had him pinned with one arm and held the gun tight with his other hand close to his body. He then proceeded to abscound with said brown belts' keys and wallet. The brown belt came back into the practice room and let us know what happened, in a bit of shock. Not one of the several black belts present thought he should have done anything but sit there and comply.
It made for a long night with folks having to go and get his spare keys and such.

A bit of background: if you were a brown belt at the Y you were almost ready for a black belt, and you would have been a black belt a long time ago in one of the pay to learn places.

So how in the blazing home of satan does a pacifist think she will disarm a gun wielding oponent? what then? will she shoot him? or beat him to death with his gun? (What if he takes the gun back? I am sure she did not practice proper retention techique...)

 

[thebaldguy]

I'm guessing that the odds of successfully disarming someone increase as the distance closes. I would rather not let someone who is a threat get close enough to disarm me. I'm guessing that it's pretty difficult to disarm someone who is 10+ feet away.

Our neighbor who dislikes handguns always uses that arguement. She thinks that a handgun will be taken from you and used against you. I reminded her that's why you have to be prepaired to use a handgun - to protect yourself from someone who might want to hurt you.

She actually thinks she's safer and protecting herself by not carrying a firearm. This mentality is very common around here.

 

[brownie0486]

I'm guessing that it's pretty difficult to disarm someone who is 10+ feet away.

The above is not a disarm instance. Other solutions/skills are necessary at that distance.

Brownie

 

[obxned]

It is not proper to take someone elses gun away, bring your own!

 

[PressCheck]

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unless it was pressed to your back, in that case you would have no chance if he intended to kill you if you resisted.

Beg pardon, but I disagree with you here. It's possible and it's trainable. but most people are not going to put that much effort and time into training for that. Paraphrasing one of my defensive tactics instructors: At contact distance you have the initiative. If you don't hesitate or telegraph, your action is going to take place before his reaction, ie get your body out of the way and check his elbow. It's one of those things you have to think about in a eighth of a second, do I comply with the guy or do I feed him his lunch.

I agree with Rattlesnake

 

[geist]

i noticed in a lot of the disarms the hand grabs the slide on the top and then twists the gun sometimes breaking the finger of the perp in the trigger guard..but doesnt twisting his finger in the trigger guard guarantee the gun will go off while your hand is wrapped around it? and wouldnt that burn the crap out of you?

 

[Doberguy]

I'm not grabbin at it!​

 

[inkhead]

Actually I studied martial arts for nearly ten years. I would never use my hands to take a gun away from someone, because it's easier to see the movement of an arm. What works really well even for novices is kicking the firearm out of the persons hand. However it's really important that you (for this example right leg) that you move the part below the knee out to the right then swivel it up, so that you aren't doing a full leg kick, as this will catch the attention of their eyes.

A few years ago my younger brother and I got paintball guns, I decided that I wanted to try my "skills" out, and easily knocked the gun 10 feet before he knew what happened. After that I told him to stand there and try to shoot me with a paintball before I kicked the gun. This gave him the knowledge that I was about to kick him standing straight in front of him. EVEN with him knowing I kicked the gun CLEAN out of his hands before he pulled the trigger (And he's very fast). It's all about kicking the weapon with your kick rolling out from the side and up (roll with your knee, bend it) and NOT kicking straight without bending the knee to the outside of the body.