How many LE deaths due to FN FiveseveN?

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ABC news did an article about guns legally purchased in the US being used by Mexican drug gangs. One of the guns mentioned was the FN FiveseveN which they labelled the "copkiller" or "mata policio"

Anyone know of any US LE deaths by this gun?

It is sensationalized and deceitful reporting to give this gun this label if there are no or few LE deaths by it.

The article showed this gun defeating a bullet proof vest, probably with ammo unavailable to civilians, and possibly using an outdated vest.

The article also suggested M60's are avialable to anyone at gun shops and shows. ATF agents interviews assisted the dececptions.

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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4695848&page=1
 
The article also suggested M60's are avialable to anyone at gun shops and shows. ATF agents interviews assisted the dececptions
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Where are these shops and shows??!!? I want one :(

Really, I haven't heard of a single FiveseveN cop killing, though I'm not the definitive source. Could the round penetrate typical body armor? Yeah, it's possible. Are the most capable rounds easily availiable to consumers? No.

THe press always needs something to complain about, and guns are at the top because they don't want to cover any more liberal scandals.
 
U.S. gun stores and gun shows are the source of more than 90 percent of the weapons being used by Mexico's ruthless drug cartels, according to U.S. and Mexican law enforcement officials.
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But U.S. efforts to stop the smuggling of tens of thousands of guns to Mexico, including high-powered assault weapons, have been hampered by lenient American gun laws and the Bush administration's failure to give priority to anti-gun smuggling efforts, officials tell ABC News
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These are just two examples. It is a conspiracy of complicity. The "journalist" hide behind "we're just reporting what we were told. You have to determine if it's true." The ATF or other agency says "the media choses which statements to print/air. I don't disagree with your response, but I can't control what they choose to print/air."

So we get sensationalized "news."
 
Why would a Mexican drug gang kill a cop when it's so much more cost-effective just to buy him?

Maybe he's working for their rival gang or something.
 
In Mexico and on the border, P90s (full auto, stolen) and IOM or USG 5.7 pistols (stolen as well, more than likely) using the AP ammo (SS190, stolen) are actually fairly common. Not as common as AKs, MACs, or HK clones, mind you, but still common. No deaths in the USA that I'm aware of.
 
at least the end acknowledges (even if just a little) that it is a border control problem in the end, even if they sensationalized alot of the middle bulk of it.
 
Last time I saw a price, an M60 was worth well over $20,000! I would think you could buy quite a few Mexican cops off for that kind of money.

I honestly don't think we can do any more about illegal guns in Mexico than the Mexican government has done about illegal drugs (and citizens) here in the USA.

Latest estimates state that there are over 12 million illegal Mexican/Hispanic immigrants here in the US (likely all of which came thru Mexico). I doubt there are more than a FEW THOUSAND illegal guns in Mexico that came thru the US. Not to mention, that those guns have probably been involved in fewer crimes in Mexico than illegal citizens have been involved in crime here.
 
I doubt there are more than a FEW THOUSAND illegal guns in Mexico that came thru the US.
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I'd be shocked if it weren't in six digits by now. Stolen guns along the border almost certainly head to Mexico.
 
Bottom line?

Mexico is a failed state, run by hopelessly corrupt government that's essentially a gang that owns a lot of oil wells.

Apart from the oil, which of course goes to the government, Mexico's largest source of income is sent there in envelopes from the US. You can't really blame the illegal immigrants to the US for doing what they have to for their families. (I'm all for deporting anyone who is here illegally and stopping all our government services to them and their kids RIGHT NOW; I just don't have any personal animosity towards any of them. As long as the current situation continues, Mexico will never get better.)

Mexico's government has no intention of trying to stop drug gangs or illegal immigrants to the US. There's no reason for them to, and every reason for them to want these things to continue -- they provide a lot of Mexico's income.

In fact, if we actually were to somehow get magic powers and make it impossible for anyone to work in the US illegally, get any government services, etc., and stop the drug trade completely, Mexico would probably collapse into a big, messy revolt. Mexico's government sure doesn't want that; the people in government are doing quite well in the present situation. The mafia didn't want to end Prohibition, either.

When you think of Mexico and anything that has to do with it, think, "failed state kept from collapsing by checks from illegal immigrants to the US and Pemex oil revenue". Suddenly, a lot of other things make sense.

"Failed state"

Think of that when you hear US politicians talking about "working with the Mexican government". It's BS. There's nothing worth working with. Ditto for "law enforcement cooperation."
 
Here's Table 33 from the 2006 FBI report on officers killed. It lists by type firearm and caliber used to kill the officer.
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what a shock... the more common caliburs are used the most.
 
Wow... just remember that number (536 officers) is for the past 10 years, not last year alone.

I was thinking 536 officers were shot and killed in one year, and I was gonna crap myself.
 
Armed Bear,
I agree with you on Mexico's poor state of affairs regarding their government. The truth is, the U.S. is their de facto "welfare system". Rather than dealing with their poverty/economic issues, I feel that many are just encouraged to go to the U.S. It works out well for the Mexican government in two ways. First, fewer potential protesters/revolutionaries, and second-many of them send money back to Mexico to other poor relatives.

It's much easier to blame your crime problems on "evil American guns" than it is to blame your own corrupt government and police officials.
 
It's much easier to blame your crime problems on "evil American guns" than it is to blame your own corrupt government and police officials.
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Hell, they learned this song from the mayors of our own largest cities.
 
The drug cartels' weapons of choice include variants of the AK-47, .50-caliber sniper rifles and a Belgian-made pistol called the "cop killer" or "mata policia" because of its ability to pierce a bulletproof vest.
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I wouldn't think criminals would be too keen on hauling one of those big buggers around, but maybe I'm wrong.

"We need a lot more resources," said the ATF's Newell.
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How about NO? I'm not a fan of expanding any alphabet soup agencies, particularly that one.

This article is full of deception.

My toilet paper was more useful.
 
Henry Bowman:

Last i heard we were sending Mexico billions so they could build a fence on THEIR southern border.

That's right, US tax dollars for a Mexico border fence with their southern neighbors.

The policies our elected officals champion with Mexico walk a close line to treason IMO.
 
"We need a lot more resources".

That's pretty telling.

ATF wants drama, because there's MONEY in it. They want MONEY.

(Our government is only a tad better than Mexico's sometimes.)
 
Armed Bear wrote:

"We need a lot more resources".

That's pretty telling.

ATF wants drama, because there's MONEY in it. They want MONEY.

(Our government is only a tad better than Mexico's sometimes.)
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Just a reminder that this was the prime motivation for the Waco raid, along with publicity.

Armed Bear also wrote:

When you think of Mexico and anything that has to do with it, think, "failed state kept from collapsing by checks from illegal immigrants to the US and Pemex oil revenue". Suddenly, a lot of other things make sense.
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An absolutely spot-on comment only requiring one further word: "racist" as the caste system is definitely a factor between being fully of Spanish conquistador heritage (the highest caste) or of the natives that were conquered by the Spanish (the lowest caste) or some middle area due to intermarriage (Mestizo).
 
Whoa! That FN FiveseveN sure packs a conversational punch. As for it's actual use? If I was attacked by a vicious gang of border-crossin', drug-smugglin', black-hearted, uh...prairie dogs, I would undoubtedly feel well-armed.

How has the media become so non-informed (or ill-informed) as to miss the simple recognition that there are LOTS of modern rifle calibers easily capable of defeating the vast majority of LE body armor? And if they DON'T know, it's easy enough to join The High Road and gain some knowledge.
 
That story I saw as well. Pure bull ****. I just don't see why drug runners and cartels would bother settling for a semi-auto AK or Five seveN when they could just have a bunch of full-auto AKs and real armor piercing pistol ammo smuggled into the country by the Mexican Mafia... :rolleyes:

Sounds to me like the media has been reading too many Brady Campaign propaganda publications that said how Al Queda and Osama's terrorists are getting their AKs here in the US because it's just soooooo easy :rolleyes:
 
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