how much trouble am I in?
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over 70 replies, and you just -had- to inform us of how stupid we are..
Given that I am -obviosly- a complete idiot, and could not -possibly- benefit from your amazing wisdom why did you obther to comment? Oh that's right. to show everyone how 'cool' you are.
rest assured, I now know exactly how cool you are.
And when you -do- screw up ( and it will happen, dont kid yourself) wont you be suprised when I -dont- make nasty comments.
Given that I am -obviosly- a complete idiot, and could not -possibly- benefit from your amazing wisdom why did you obther to comment? Oh that's right. to show everyone how 'cool' you are.
rest assured, I now know exactly how cool you are.
And when you -do- screw up ( and it will happen, dont kid yourself) wont you be suprised when I -dont- make nasty comments.
Frog48
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Glad to hear it worked out for you. $100 fine sure beats the alternatives.
Regolith
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Nobody's perfect. This was simply an innocent mistake (although, a very expensive innocent mistake), and it sounds like the guy had a lot of mitigating factors. I wouldn't be too surprised if it doesn't happen to you one day.
I'd have to agree with Regolith. As was noted in the opening post, he's on medications. He had been switch to a new medication, which apparently caused memory issues. They switched him back. There's be an argument of 'temperary minor incompetence' due to legally prescribed drug usage problem. Kinda like how diabetics can get off sometimes when they do something wrong when their system gets jacked up.
As for having a CCW making it 'less serious' it might be that they know that a CCW holder is pretty much guaranteed to be a good guy, and not only that, a good guy willing to go the extra mile, and be a huge pain in the butt to protect his or her rights.
$100 fine, gun back, no felony conviction, probably worth it. I'd probably still consult with a lawyer to make sure that the ATF doesn't enter it as a disqualifier because 'It could have been a felony!!!'.
As for having a CCW making it 'less serious' it might be that they know that a CCW holder is pretty much guaranteed to be a good guy, and not only that, a good guy willing to go the extra mile, and be a huge pain in the butt to protect his or her rights.
$100 fine, gun back, no felony conviction, probably worth it. I'd probably still consult with a lawyer to make sure that the ATF doesn't enter it as a disqualifier because 'It could have been a felony!!!'.
CDignition
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As long as the actual formal charge doesn't stipulate a prison sentence longer than a year, you're gold with ATF. IF it could have had a longer sentence that a year, it may give you trouble. Are you IN process of getting FFL now, or do you still have to do that??
Battlespace
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And when you -do- screw up ( and it will happen, dont kid yourself) wont you be suprised when I -dont- make nasty comments.
I will accept responsibility for my actions.
I will accept responsibility for my actions.
Here is something to take into very serious consideration. If you have ANY kinds of memory problems, you do not want to be in a business where you HAVE to do paperwork that requires considerable attention to detail. And the ATF require just that.
That kind of issue could cause you legal problems that they will not take into consideration in any way your medical conditions.
That kind of issue could cause you legal problems that they will not take into consideration in any way your medical conditions.
CDignition
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Pyle has a good point..but if your wife is helping you she can do all the paperwork, or you can hire a part time clerk.
Congrats on the positive Outcome..
Congrats on the positive Outcome..
innerpiece
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sounds like you shouldnt have any trouble, so long as this kinda thing dont happen again......
but man, you better be on the ball on the laws if you want a FFL... cause the second you break a law when yer federally licenced, they WILL fry you! no lil friendly warnings ya know.. youll be DONE!
so be carefull, watch yer step, and More power to you and youre dreams my friend!
ip
but man, you better be on the ball on the laws if you want a FFL... cause the second you break a law when yer federally licenced, they WILL fry you! no lil friendly warnings ya know.. youll be DONE!
so be carefull, watch yer step, and More power to you and youre dreams my friend!
ip
innerpiece
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CDignition... btw, the scentance isnt the dictator... the severity of the crime IS....
firearm related gross misdomeanors, and felonies are NOT cool to the ATF.. Misdo's can be overlooked tho...
ip.
firearm related gross misdomeanors, and felonies are NOT cool to the ATF.. Misdo's can be overlooked tho...
ip.
CDignition
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Ill have to check, but I'm thinking they are looking at Sentence length. If you Commit a Misdemeanor that can jail you longer than 11-29, I think this precludes you from Firearms ownership. Ill get out my FFL books and look it up...
innerpiece
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right on!
solid info would be way better than either of our guesses!
what tells me what I think tho, is that I dont think ANY misdo, carries more than a 12mo1day term, whilst felonies are 12mo1day + and on up.. also Misdo's are never madatory terms, and some firearm felonies are..
Tho I just dont see ANYONE with a felony getting a FFL.....
But Im reciting MN law, and I may be off.
always gald to learn!
peace, ip.
solid info would be way better than either of our guesses!
what tells me what I think tho, is that I dont think ANY misdo, carries more than a 12mo1day term, whilst felonies are 12mo1day + and on up.. also Misdo's are never madatory terms, and some firearm felonies are..
Tho I just dont see ANYONE with a felony getting a FFL.....
But Im reciting MN law, and I may be off.
always gald to learn!
peace, ip.
CDignition
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I agree..
keeping track of paperwork is a whole nother thing. It -never- moves, it stays in one spot, and that's about it.
On a side note, it's reassuring to note that any sign of mental illness is still treated with suspicion and contempt. nice to know I'm still in the real world.
That any mistake that can be attributed to medication mixups is a failure to accept responsibility.
Hey it's not like i'm taking drugs proscribed by a doctor that are -supposed- to agressively change my brain chemistry or anything...
And of course, it's -completely- impossible for a Veteran's Administration to make an honest mistake and proscribe the -wrong- medication.
A change in medication wont have any bad side effects right? after all psychiatry is a perfect science -they- never screw up either right?
All sarcasm aside, it -really- cranks my gears when people who -dont- live in my head and -dont- get it make wild assumptions.
neurochemical problems are real. deal with it. they are just as real as your diabeties, your heart disease, your wheel chair, or any -other- physical injuries, defects or shortcomings that you can -see-.
When your medications are changed, the results are unpredictable. You might get better, you might get worse, you might remain the same.
But to climb my ass and tell me i'm a ****-up because of this pisses me off.
So i'll make a deal with you.
run a marathon with a compound leg fracture.
survive with severe diabetes and no insulin.
identify a criminal in a line up by sight, when you are blind.
-then- get back to me, and we'll talk.
oh and in the mean time, shove it where the sun dont shine, because I have -no- interest in hearing it.
On a side note, it's reassuring to note that any sign of mental illness is still treated with suspicion and contempt. nice to know I'm still in the real world.
That any mistake that can be attributed to medication mixups is a failure to accept responsibility.
Hey it's not like i'm taking drugs proscribed by a doctor that are -supposed- to agressively change my brain chemistry or anything...
And of course, it's -completely- impossible for a Veteran's Administration to make an honest mistake and proscribe the -wrong- medication.
A change in medication wont have any bad side effects right? after all psychiatry is a perfect science -they- never screw up either right?
All sarcasm aside, it -really- cranks my gears when people who -dont- live in my head and -dont- get it make wild assumptions.
neurochemical problems are real. deal with it. they are just as real as your diabeties, your heart disease, your wheel chair, or any -other- physical injuries, defects or shortcomings that you can -see-.
When your medications are changed, the results are unpredictable. You might get better, you might get worse, you might remain the same.
But to climb my ass and tell me i'm a ****-up because of this pisses me off.
So i'll make a deal with you.
run a marathon with a compound leg fracture.
survive with severe diabetes and no insulin.
identify a criminal in a line up by sight, when you are blind.
-then- get back to me, and we'll talk.
oh and in the mean time, shove it where the sun dont shine, because I have -no- interest in hearing it.
innerpiece
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hey brother relax, I dont think anyone here who is reasonable, is judging you..
as you said:
That any mistake that can be attributed to medication mixups is a failure to accept responsibility.
its real good you can acknowledge that. I encourage you to be extremely carefull in yer following steps in obtaining yer desires. be shure you take all the time you need to organize every part of yer future responsabilities if you allready havent.
yer stepping into a ringk you cant slip on... if you know what I mean..
best wishes, and I hope everything works great for you!
be shure to update us on yer progress!
ip.
as you said:
That any mistake that can be attributed to medication mixups is a failure to accept responsibility.
its real good you can acknowledge that. I encourage you to be extremely carefull in yer following steps in obtaining yer desires. be shure you take all the time you need to organize every part of yer future responsabilities if you allready havent.
yer stepping into a ringk you cant slip on... if you know what I mean..
best wishes, and I hope everything works great for you!
be shure to update us on yer progress!
ip.
not worried about paperwork. If I can keep track of;
2 divorces.
2 child support cases.
Fighting with the VA since 1994.
Every job, pay stub, W2, W4, and tax return from 1987 to 2007.
Every phone bill, power bill, water bill, and car insurance payment from 1999 to 2007.
Every bank statement from 1999 to 2007.
I think I can handle a bound book and 4473 forms.
just dont ask me where I put my car keys.
2 divorces.
2 child support cases.
Fighting with the VA since 1994.
Every job, pay stub, W2, W4, and tax return from 1987 to 2007.
Every phone bill, power bill, water bill, and car insurance payment from 1999 to 2007.
Every bank statement from 1999 to 2007.
I think I can handle a bound book and 4473 forms.
just dont ask me where I put my car keys.
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ryan in maine
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it's interesting to see that Maine treats a CCW holder differently (much better) than someone who lacks one.
it's good to hear nothing got out of hand. also good to hear that just about everyone was pulling for you.
Maine is underrated, ain't it?
it's good to hear nothing got out of hand. also good to hear that just about everyone was pulling for you.
Maine is underrated, ain't it?
Come on. That's harsh. (I know that will shock you guys... coming from me.) If you carry every day, you will forget every now and then.
The glove box is a bad place to forget it though. The key is never putting it in any place where it is dangerous... say on the kids toy box... or which could be illegal (glovebox sans CCW UNFORTUNATELY or say in a a briefcase or carryon luggage).
Well... I'm late to the game but my guess was "no big deal." Even the VA police didn't get excited. No way an AUSA with hundreds of felonies on his or her desk could get that excited about it.
I know that some of you object to the term "good guys" but by and large the good guys are generally good guys.
Battlespace
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If you carry every day, you will forget every now and then.
Maybe, however I carry now and have for 10+ years and never have I lost track of where I put a gun. I spent 25 years in the Army and you better believe we knew exactly where our weapons were at all times. Granted they were usually in the arms room, but for a year in Vietnam I sure knew where my M16 was 100% of the time.
Maybe, however I carry now and have for 10+ years and never have I lost track of where I put a gun. I spent 25 years in the Army and you better believe we knew exactly where our weapons were at all times. Granted they were usually in the arms room, but for a year in Vietnam I sure knew where my M16 was 100% of the time.
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