How to Survive a Pirate Attack

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If you are in compliance with USCG regs you should be carrying a flare gun or three. Flares can do significant damage if they hit a human or boat.

There are enough hiding places on a boat that authorities should not find your PD weapons and ammo.

Any LE or CG will not be close enough to intervene. Folks sailing near Somalia
are just stupid for putting themselves in jeopardy. Pirates see these boats as easy pickings and a great chance to make some money. There are no safe rooms on a 40ft sailboat. Opsec is important. Chances of the SEALS or SBS
or even the Dutch SOF coming to your rescue are slim to none in vastness out there.

I wouldnt want my family or company paying any ransom. I take my chances or suffer the consequences. Problem is companies and govts have been paying off the Somali pirates. We know where their bases and need to hit them hard. Problem is the Brits, the US and others dont have the stomach for it.

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There are enough hiding places on a boat that authorities should not find your PD weapons and ammo.

Fortunately, no one's thought of smuggling drugs or guns by boat before. If any bad guys ever start using small boats to illegally import contraband, I'll bet those DEA, Border Patrol, and Coast Guard types will start getting real smart about finding hidey-holes in boats.
 
If your going to circle the globe, your going. to be in pirate territory.

There was a famous New Zealand adventurer, i forget his name. He went ashore in brazil, and that night petty thiefs came aboard to rob him. He had a polar bear rifle for the artic, he shot one assailant, but he still died.

His mistake was probably parking a fancy boat offshore from a poor village, then going ashore. Akin to parking a mercedes in a bad neighborhood.

You have to use common sense. And unless your up all night, your going to end up rolling the dice most likely. Their is little to no way to defend yourself other than to use your brain.

Taking children through a passage like that was not smart.
 
The best way to survive a pirate attack? Don't sail where pirates are in the first place.

This...

Maybe it's just me. But sailing into known pirate infested waters seems to be about as wise as "journalists" wandering across the border into N Korea or "hikers" straying into Iran by mistake.
 
LemmyCaution, I know it's a bad situation all around, but if there is a way to avoid being captured, should one do their best to avoid capture? I may not have the perfect answer, and the truth is I won't be sailing on the vast ocean except in a fine ship flying US colors, and maned by the best sailors our navy has to offer, however I'd like to think (optimistically perhaps) there is a way to protect oneself from evildoers.

Skoro, it has been addressed before that while the majority of attacks are currently in the Somalia area, there are pirates all over.

I probably should have mentioned this earlier, I am only very vaguely familiar with maritime law, and realize that in the current state of world affairs, the threat of piracy will likely only be significantly impacted by the co-operation of many nations taking a hard line. Something that is currently limited by common laws of the sea. Doesn't mean I don't have my ideas of how things should run.
 
Well...actually...this might just be a very good place to talk about piracy.

The UN Law of the Sea Treaty (LOS), Articles 101-105 state very clearly, that it is every States responsibility to stop pirates on the High Seas. Article 105 states that any warship from any signatory nation has the authority to stop, board and detain any persons believed to be engaged in piracy.

But, this is not being done to the degree it needs to be.

At this point, there is no international agreement on whether or not firearms may be carried by a ship transiting from international waters, to national waters.

SO, since piracy is not being addressed, why not advocate for an addendum to the LOS that stipulates that vessels transiting international waters (to national waters) may be allowed to carry firearms aboard, if properly locked while in port?

This would be akin to the Freedom of Navigation.

Many ports do allow this, but many do not. One international policy would greatly aid in allowing vessels to do so. And .... having many more pleasure boats adequately armed might just do something to retard piracy, if the nations of the world will not.

Respecfully,

J

ps - and have the treaty stipulate that those arms be in .308...or more.
 
Well...actually...this might just be a very good place to talk about piracy.

The UN Law of the Sea Treaty (LOS), Articles 101-105 state very clearly, that it is every States responsibility to stop pirates on the High Seas. Article 105 states that any warship from any signatory nation has the authority to stop, board and detain any persons believed to be engaged in piracy.

But, this is not being done to the degree it needs to be.

At this point, there is no international agreement on whether or not firearms may be carried by a ship transiting from international waters, to national waters.

SO, since piracy is not being addressed, why not advocate for an addendum to the LOS that stipulates that vessels transiting international waters (to national waters) may be allowed to carry firearms aboard, if properly locked while in port?

This would be akin to the Freedom of Navigation.

Many ports do allow this, but many do not. One international policy would greatly aid in allowing vessels to do so. And .... having many more pleasure boats adequately armed might just do something to retard piracy, if the nations of the world will not.

Respecfully,

J

ps - and have the treaty stipulate that those arms be in .308...or more.

This is the best response thus far. Too bad it'll never happen.

What is the reference for protecting your cannon that was made? Is that a real maritime law?
 
Gord is a great guy and does a very good job at putting together information. The above demonstrates the serious problem that cruisers have in carrying firearms on long ocean voyages. It is all but impossible to find a route that will allow you to make port as needed and carry weapons. Many of these laws are quite specific as to the type of firearm, as well. I think Canada does not allow handguns with less than 4 inch barrels.

I believe this makes my point. All vessels are accorded the freedom of navigation, under international law, but not the freedom to protect themselves. In the light of the ever growing piracy threat, this now seems contradictory and counter-productive. It places many crews in harms way and thus should be addressed.

And for those here who do not cruise, and rightly wonder what the point of this discussion would be, I would say...... convincing the rest of the world that the right to self protection is a basic human right and the right to bear arms is part and parcel of that right....contributes to that notion here....and our own security elsewhere.

Thank you

Respectfully,

J
 
You have to use common sense

Best advice yet.

Been on the seas for 30 years and all over, small ports and large ports and having firearms on board was a no no in most of those ports.

Unless you can carry enough fuel and provisions to remain in international waters, there isn't a place on a boat that a customs agent hasn't already found to hide something. At that point its confiscation of the vessel and a good probability of jail time in some 3rd world rat hole.

Never once did I ever encounter nor sense any type of suspected piracy. There are places you go and places you don't.

Depending on the port of call, contacting the locals about suspected piracy is not a good idea as many of the local water rats can be part of or look outs for pirates.

If you stick to large commercial and or vacation/charter fishing spot ports you'll have no issues as that kind of stuff is bad for tourism which many times is key to the local economy and is not tolerated by the local authorities, even those on the take which is most of them.

Those bone heads, first the Americans and then the Danes, who got pirated didn't even follow their instincts and the ones who were killed even blogged about the problem area as did the Danes.

Sometimes Darwin just has to reclaim his own.
 
Hoofan: It's been a long, long time since I joined a circle of Hoos and sang the song of wahoo-wa.
I graduated in 79, and went from C-ville to BUD/S training in Coronado, CA.
 
So maybe boiling oil isn't such a bad idea.

Would spearguns at ready be legal? Or crossbows or other such fish archery equipment?

If you are in compliance with USCG regs you should be carrying a flare gun or three. Flares can do significant damage if they hit a human or boat.

Most of these pirates have AKs, many have an RPG and sometimes multiple rounds for it.

Engaging people with AKs with a flare gun is not a sound tactic.
Expecting to let them get close and even board and deal with them with boiling oil or spears is also going to be relatively ineffective.

While it is certainly good to plan for a means of self defense, realistic results against the likely threat must be considered.
A good rifle could keep pirates in small unstable speed boats at bay.
Aiming RPGs or Aks while hitting swells in the open ocean is certainly going to be difficult, while doing the same from a larger boat less effected is easier.

However once someone lets hostile pirates on a speed boat get alongside their vessel they have lost most of their possible advantage even with a gun.
It doesn't take much to aim full auto AKs or an RPG from 50 feet or less.



1: Rules of engagement. On shore, armed self-defense happens from a few yards to contact distance. What is a threat is more easily determined. At sea, by the time a threat can be definitively determined, the tactical advantage is lost. Making the determination at a tactically sound offset is obviously going to result in a lot of false positives, the result being collateral damage (or as it is known to civilians- murder).

Not true. On the open ocean a vessel that takes your heading or one that is clearly intended to bring them to you and involves maneuvering towards you is unmistakable.
Near shore may be crowded, but dozens of miles from shore it is quite obvious if someone is trying to come to you.
Few people are going to rush up to you on the open seas. Those that do are typically intending to board either to inspect or muscle you as members of some branch of LEO of the local government, or as pirates.
If someone is speeding up to you in the open ocean and not answering on a radio when you call out to them, anticipate hostilities. Unless they are clearly lost at sea there is no reason a small speedboat should even be in the open ocean, much less with plenty of fuel on a short range craft.




The best way to survive a pirate attack? Don't sail where pirates are in the first place.

It should be noted the most recent Americans killed were captured hundreds of miles (open ocean) off the coast of Oman.
Oman is itself hundreds of miles from Somalia.
To go from the Indian Ocean to Europe essentially requires going through the Gulf of Aden (next to Somalia) and traveling through the Red Sea.
Otherwise a person has to go all the way around Africa.
The 4 killed were closer to the Gulf of Oman, hundreds of miles away from the Gulf of Aden and from Somalia when captured.
These pirates are going thousands of miles now on trips searching for prey.


Another big factor for a sailboat is working with the wind. There is only so many practical routes someone can take, going against the wind can increase the time required several fold and the winds of the world can be readily researched. They generally flow in certain directions in any region.
A large motor powered cruiser costs a fortune to use just for private cruising in fuel, and maintenance of the big powerful engines a lot more expensive than a sailboat, so most people cruising the world do so in sailboats and are limited to working with the wind.
For example the murdered couple and two passengers were on a 58 foot sailboat.
A 50 foot powerboat sea worthy enough to take on open ocean cruising around the world typically gets about .5-2MPG. Going many thousands of miles at around 1MPG would put the ability to travel out of the financial reach of even most that could manage on a sailboat.
 
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Zoogster,

Many good points. One I would like to expound upon.

I think it is becoming quite clear to the bad buys in the world that the Somali Business Plan is working remarkably well. Under the Somali Business Plan, first prize is a million dollars. Second prize is an all expense paid vacation to America, free hot meals, free medical care, decent bed, books, TV, internet, library and clean clothes. All free.

Not a bad deal when you are living, day to day, hand to mouth, in some of the holes in the world.

SO....while we may be talking about Somalia today, and we are seeing that it is an ever expanding range of ocean and territory. I wonder.....if this business plan will be exported to MANY other parts of the world...

And thus....I would think that some code under international law, by which people can carry the means to defend themselves, would be an important goal.

[and yes, I realize that there is no restriction to carrying firearms in international waters..... all vessels must make port sometime...and thus something akin to the Interstate Commerce Clause..for international vessels...would be very handy...would you agree?]


My best regards,

J
ps - and I agree.... a solid plan that includes one or two good quality rifles chambered in .308 should be able to keep bad guys 500-1000 yards away. That is quite a bit better than having them onboard.
 
Not true. On the open ocean a vessel that takes your heading or one that is clearly intended to bring them to you and involves maneuvering towards you is unmistakable.
Near shore may be crowded, but dozens of miles from shore it is quite obvious if someone is trying to come to you.
Few people are going to rush up to you on the open seas. Those that do are typically intending to board either to inspect or muscle you as members of some branch of LEO of the local government, or as pirates.
If someone is speeding up to you in the open ocean and not answering on a radio when you call out to them, anticipate hostilities. Unless they are clearly lost at sea there is no reason a small speedboat should even be in the open ocean, much less with plenty of fuel on a short range craft.

Nothing you state above is a reasonable articulation of a threat that would legally justify the use of lethal force in any jurisdiction that recognizes armed self-defense as legitimate.

"I shot him because he got too close to me and made me uncomfortable" just isn't going to carry the day.

Of course there are those who will want to take advantage of the lack of jurisdiction to perform the marine equivalent of 'shoot, shovel and shut up.'

To the extent that outlook isn't keyboard commando bluster, it's an immoral position that has no place in a movement that advocates the right of law abiding citizens to defend themselves in an accountable manner.

Piracy is a vexing problem, for which legally and morally just and accountable solutions have not been developed.

Sadly, until international law catches up with the problem, we're kind of stuck.
 
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