More pirates, arghhhhhhhh

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At least one UN official has the right idea...
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Pirates getting more ruthless on the high seas Somali marauders fire on tourists and shippers alike
By TOM MALITI
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
NAIROBI, Kenya -- The pirates audacious enough to raid an oil tanker off Iraq -- where the U.S. military patrols -- were anything but the stuff of romance and legend. The three boarded armed with machine guns and knives, according to a recent report by a shipping industry agency that tracks piracy. They tied up two crew members and took three others hostage before ransacking the master's cabin and escaping with the ship's safe.
Piracy is happening with a disturbing frequency in the 21st century, as
evidenced by incidents recorded by the International Maritime Bureau, a
watchdog that is part of the International Chamber of Commerce.
The locations are exotic -- the South China Sea, the Malacca Strait, off
southwest India's Port of Cochin. The pirates range from thugs armed with
machetes and steel bars to apparently sophisticated automatic weapons-toting bands.
Arild Wegener, director of the Norwegian Shipowners Association, noted a
slight decline in incidents this year compared to last, but said "pirates
seem to apply more violence and be more ruthless in their behavior."
It's not just major shippers who are at risk, said Klaus Hympendahl, a
German yachtsman who maintains a piracy information clearinghouse on the Web and has written a book chronicling attacks on private yachts.
When he sailed around the world in 1986, Hympendahl's only worry was the
weather. Now, he cautions yachters to check the security situation along
their route before they set out. "The situation has changed completely," he said, blaming in part an increase in wealthy people setting out to sea. Their well-equipped boats attract pirates looking for cash and gear.
The 1,880-mile coast of Somalia, which has had no effective government since warlords ousted a dictatorship in 1991 and then turned on each other, has emerged as one of the most dangerous areas for ships. Somali pirates have a growing reputation as well-organized, trained fighters with knowledge of the sea -- perhaps remnants of the country's navy or coast guard.
Somali pirates are not only attacking near shore but more than 200 miles
into the Indian Ocean, said John Muindi, the U.N. International Maritime
Organization's regional coordinator for eastern Africa.
One of the boldest attacks was on Nov. 5. Two boats full of pirates
approached the Seabourn Spirit, a cruise ship carrying Western tourists
about 100 miles off Somalia, and fired rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles.
The Seabourn crew used a weapon that directs earsplitting noise at
attackers, then sped away. None of the passengers, most of them Americans,was hurt, but one member of the 161-person crew was injured by shrapnel.
The next day, a cargo ship in the area also was fired on with rocket
launchers and machine guns. It sped away. Somali pirates have even hijacked three cargo ships carrying U.N. food aid for Somalis, all owned by Kenya's Motaku Shipping Agency.
The hijackings "really shook us," said Karum Kudrati, Mutaki's managing
director. The company secured the release of two vessels, but a third has
been held since early October as negotiations over ransom drag on.
Kudrati said the crew's relatives come to his offices for news.
"I tell them we have to be patient, people are working on it and we have to
hope they will be released soon," he said. "You can see tears in their eyes
when they come and talk to us."
In its most recent report on piracy, the International Maritime Bureau
reported fewer attacks overall for the first nine months of 2005 compared
with the same period last year. But there were trouble spots, it said,
citing Indonesia and Somalia. An increase in serious attacks off Somalia --
25 in the past six months -- followed a quiet spell of nearly two years.
Ali Mohamed Gedi, head of a transitional government struggling to impose
order in Somalia, last month called on neighboring countries to send
warships to patrol his coast, Africa's longest.
Countries in the region say they realize the problem is serious but that
they have not yet discussed how to respond. Ken- ya, heavily involved in
attempts to stabilize Somalia, would likely bear the brunt of the duties.
Internal political crises elsewhere in the region, such as in Ethiopia,
could pose problems.
An international force to combat piracy off Somalia will be discussed by the
166-member International Maritime Organization at its annual meeting next
week in London, Muindi said.
Pirates "have to be tackled by people who are also armed like them or better than them," he added.
 
An international force to combat piracy off Somalia will be discussed by the 166-member International Maritime Organization at its annual meeting next week in London, Muindi said.

I can't think of anything more effective than discussions by international groups meeting in London. Heck, I'll bet those pirates are applying for hamburger flipping jobs already!
 
blaming in part an increase in wealthy people setting out to sea. Their well-equipped boats attract pirates looking for cash and gear.
Yup, if there were no rich folks, there'd be no crime... :barf:
 
This is simple to solve but no one is interested. A small ship, disguised as a pleasure craft or freighter, heavily armed. Suck them in and kill them. Repeat as nessesary.
 
rwc said:
Pirates "have to be tackled by people who are also armed like them or better than them," he added.

Preferably better armed... Mk 19, M240/249, things like that...

Example: Mk 19 front, middle, and stern; 4/6/more stations (depending on length) with M240 and/or M249 SAW
 
This is simple to solve but no one is interested. A small ship, disguised as a pleasure craft or freighter, heavily armed. Suck them in and kill them. Repeat as nessesary.

Amen. I would love to be put in charge of pirate eradication. I'd do something similar to your suggestion, film the pirates going up in a fireball as they attacked what appeared to be a cruise ship, and pay Al-Jazeerah to air it. Should be a deterrent.

I bet there would be no shortage of volunteers from various special forces to take these missions.
 
I'd say not to air it. You don't want to cut down on business up front.

Kill and jettison everyone on board and leave the ship adrift. Let imagination explain why pirates are suddenly becoming scarce and pirate ships are frequently found empty and drifting.
 
Piracy has been prevalent for decades in the South China Sea, of a variety much more brazen and sophisticated than those recently reported off of Somalia and Kenya. In fact, it's so prevalent, it's an industry by itself.

And yes, there are security firms already specialized in this aspect of protection.
 
Tokugawa said:
This is simple to solve but no one is interested. A small ship, disguised as a pleasure craft or freighter, heavily armed. Suck them in and kill them. Repeat as nessesary.


I'm with you, there.

Not only would it be effective, it would be fun! :D


-flier
 
JohnKSa said:
I'd say not to air it. You don't want to cut down on business up front.

Kill and jettison everyone on board and leave the ship adrift. Let imagination explain why pirates are suddenly becoming scarce and pirate ships are frequently found empty and drifting.


How about put the damned pirates in the water bound, to drown or be eaten (prolly both), but leave one alive and adrift with a little food and water on a small raft. Let him tell the story of what happened to whoever rescues him. In fact, put him in a set of clothes that explain who he is and what he was a part of. He can choose to keep the clothes on or drift in the hot sun without them for protection.

We might as well have fun with this, right? I mean, I don't have an iota of sympathy for such scum.


-flier
 
Seriously, what guns for pirates? I mean if you have a yacht and count mount a heavy machine gun on board. They'll be coming in little boat versions of the jeep technicals armed with AK's and RPG's.

I'd say a big fifty semi with HP rounds to really tear their boats up outside the range of their weapons, then everything you can get for close range work. It wouldn't hurt to have a few molotav cocktails ready or some carbide bombs.
 
Well, even Oliver H. Perry class frigate patrolling there would make a difference. French have La Fayette class frigate that was specifically ment to be able to patrol for a long time (enough fuel and economical engines) to protect their overseas investments, maybe the one on Indian ocean can be borrowed?

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Frech have La Fayette class frigate that was specifically ment to be able to patrol for a long time (enough fuel and economical engines) to protect their overseas investments, maybe the one on Indian ocean can be borrowed?.
I assume you mean the French. If so, that would be a horrendously bad idea. The frigate would run up the white flag at the first sign of the pirates, and then the pirates would have a frigate for us to deal with.:what: :uhoh: :D
 
Just let Jemmy the Hook deal with 'em. They won't be piratin' much longer once HE gets involved...

:eek:

(Try and find THAT story! :evil: )

Aw heck, I'll give you a hint. "Jemmy the Hook" resides in a book called "Coral Sea Calling" by Ion L. Idriess. It's a good "bedtime story" for the kids. (not really, unless you WANT them to have nightmares)
 
azureflier said:
I'm with you, there.

Not only would it be effective, it would be fun! :D


-flier
For sure.

This doesn't have to come out of any country's tax coffers. It could all be privately done. I'd bet there would be limitless supply of well heeled guys who would pay for the opportunity to sit in on a good pirate dunkin.

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I wonder if the Navy has an PT boats on mothballs. They would seem to be perfect for handling this new bread of pirate. Maybe some of the "go-fast" boats the SEAL's use would be available...
 
CAS700850 said:
I wonder if the Navy has an PT boats on mothballs. They would seem to be perfect for handling this new bread of pirate. Maybe some of the "go-fast" boats the SEAL's use would be available...


Now THAT'S what I would call a good time!!!

:D
 
I think Letters of Marque would be the way to go.

For dealing with pirates the go-fast heavies would have to be over the radar horizon, or the pirates would just make like fisherman.

I think the best way would be along the Wild Weasel model. Take a 50 foot cruising sail boat (expensive, and slow) and sail around. Just over the radar horizon, have a couple of armed cigarette boats. Convince the bg's that they have a nice juicy target. When the pirates bump the transom, fire the claymores, and chase down the stragglers with the speedboats. Considering a typical fast motorboat will peak around 30 knots, the 70 knots a cigarette boat will do should close the distance pretty quick.
 
I wonder if the Royal Navy has any Q-ships left over from the Great War, and if they'd mind too terribly if we borrowed one or two?

LawDog
 
The Law of the Sea hasn't changed since the 19th century. Catch 'em and hang 'em from the yardarm.

Every nation's Navy used to do that everywhere. But modern nations prefer to talk any matter on endlessly.
 
What again ? or still? 200 years ago we had big problems with pirates working out of Tripoli .I took 15 years to put an end to it. [See Marine Corps hymn " to the shores of Tripoli " ] ....I like the junk in "Hong Kong" with Clark Gable with a 20mm mounted in the stern !!
 
I wonder if the Royal Navy has any Q-ships left over from the Great War, and if they'd mind too terribly if we borrowed one or two?
What about the LCGs - Landing Craft Guns (4.5in destroyer gun on a landing craft)?

Maybe it's time to recall the flak-lighter idea? Cargo vessel with Acht-Acht would be a very nasty surprise :eek: :what: :evil:
 
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