George Burns said;
I would never harm anyone who didn't first raise their hands to me, but I will not be insulted abused, or laid hands on also.
But in post #9 you said;
I have caught a guy who put his boot on my 2 hour old Porsche one time to wipe his shoe, on my fender, people can really suck.
I didn't touch him, I just called him every name I could think of so he would take a swing at me,
So your personal creed is you won't lay a hand on someone who hasn't first raised their hands to you, but you aren't above goading someone into swinging first if you are angry and would like to hit them? Are you that hot tempered that you will default to violence when angered? It certainly appears that way from your posts here.
Responsible gun owners aren't impressed by that kind of chest thumping bravado. You do realize that you are setting yourself up as the perfect example of the anti-gun, anti-self defense crowd's basic argument, that everyday people can't be trusted to carry firearms because every little confrontation will turn into a shooting.
If someone is in the process of destroying what is mine, it is my duty as a man to put a stop to it by whatever means necessary in line with the deed. I am not comparing apples to oranges here.
Unfortunately for you, society doesn't agree with your personal definition of your duty as a man. Society has decided through the laws passed by it's elected representatives and as interpreted by it's courts, that your duty as a man is not to put a stop to it by whatever means necessary, but to utilize the remedies society has given you, the police and the courts. You may only take action in the gravest extreme. Vandalism to a vehicle isn't even a felony on most jurisdictions and it is certainly not the gravest extreme. Now you can say that it's wrong and that it's not fair and that the world would be a better place if society looked at things the way you do, but unfortunately, it doesn't.
Let's say for arguments sake someone walks up and smacks your lady friend in the face, what are you going to do?
THIS is apples and oranges. An unprovoked attack is much different then provoking an attack as you said you attempted in post #9. This is irrelevant to this discussion and is not the premise of the thread that you started.
If I approach my vehicle with my wife, and once there, I see this behavior going on, anything can happen, because someone stupid enough to do something like that doesn't know right from wrong, does this make any sense to you, or have we all become pacifists over night?
What about the people who are stupid enough to start a fight over someone dumping a cooler on his car?
You use the appropriate response for the situation, first get your wife out of there, , then if they go to hands you use hands, calling police takes 15 minutes if they aren't busy with more important things, so let's just put that aside for now. You meet force with force, equal force.
What exactly is the appropriate response? Provoking an attack? Most people I confronted doing stupid things when i was working the street either stopped when told or ran. I can't recall anyone who stood his ground and said, "make me stop!"
What part of, inviting someone to fight is not meeting force with force is so hard for you to understand? Like it or not, it's not your duty as a private citizen to act, even if the property is yours.
No one in their right mind is going to pull a gun for something this stupid, but if the other party does pull a gun, isn't that why we are licensed to carry one?
No one in their right mind who is licensed to carry is going to "call someone every name in the book" in an attempt to get them to swing at him! I am starting to wonder if you even should be licensed to carry. At 67 you certainly don't seem to be very mature about things. Your posts in this thread sound like someone who is looking to live out the old Charles Bronson
Death Wish movies.
I have seen these things go sideways in seconds, you do the best you can do, that's all anyone can do.
Really? Where? In what movie? A TV show perhaps? For all the "experience" that you have alluded to, you don't seem to be very familiar with how things go down in real life. The "thugs" who dumped a cooler on your Mustang were most likely thinking they were being cute and probably would have jumped in their vehicle and ran had anyone confronted them. As it is they probably briefly laughed about it then moved on to other things. They may even have thought your Mustang belonged to a friend or acquaintance of theirs and it was a good joke on him. There is a good chance they didn't think that whatever was in the water would stain your car.
No one wants to get shot over a bucket of anything, but what you have to realize id that there are underlying reasons why someone does something like that, it just may be the straw that broke the camels back.
So these "thugs" who dumped a cooler over your black Mustang were ready to kill in a busy Publix parking lot in broad daylight to make their escape from possible misdemeanor charges? How often does this very thing happen? I know, they were all three time losers who were facing life with no possibility of parole if convicted......
Yes there are instances where people have gone off the deep end over minor things. But it's not an everyday occurrence. But you're right, you never know. That's why it's best to leave dealing with those things to the police who are paid to do that. This isn't life or death, why risk turning it into a life or death situation by starting a fight?
Virtually everyone has a camera on their phone these days. Take some pictures of the suspects and call the police.
I really don't know what kind of responses you thought you'd get in this thread. If you spent much time reading the threads here you would have known that most members here would not agree with you.
