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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Zedicus, Aug 4, 2008.

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  1. Zedicus

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amitai-etzioni/no-right-to-bear-arms_b_116437.html

    Say what?:scrutiny:

    Typical Anti-Gun Biggots, When the Facts and reality don't fit what you want them to, Make something up...:banghead:
     
  2. Solo Flyer

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    This article is now as irrelevant as yesterday's newspaper.......and considering the HuffPo source, less.
     
  3. romma

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    Sore Losers...
     
  4. Bear2000

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    I am curious - if you have a gun in your house, is it statistically more likely to injure or kill someone accidentally (or purposely, but illegally - say a family member during an altercation), or used to defend the home.

    Second, are people who live in homes more likely to be shot than people who live in homes without guns.

    I honestly don't know the answers to these questions, but they are brought up often enough. How would you respond if someone asked you that? While a gun may be safe in _your_ house, what if, in fact, homes with guns were more likely to be the site of gun injury or death than homes without guns. And if so, could one not make an argument that simply by not having a gun in the home one is - statistically at least - less likely to be shot.

    Not trying to play a devil's advocate here. I own nine (or is it ten?) guns, have my CCW, and support the Heller decision.
     
  5. Standing Wolf

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    Leftist extremists have always believed the workers and peasants have no rights: a few privileges granted by the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-wise state, to be sure, but no intrinsic rights.

    They'll say anything and do anything to advance their totalitarian cause.
     
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    What do you expect from a liberal blog? The Constitution is not too highly regarded in the extremist world.
     
  7. crushbup

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    They call that ambiguous? It clearly states that a well regulated militia is necessary for national security, but the right of the people to keep and bear arms can't be taken away. Seriously, anybody who can't see that either can't read, or is lying for personal benefit.

    [/rant] Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be writing to Rodney Frelinghuysen to ask if he'll introduce a bill that has reasonable restrictions on freedom of speech.
     
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  9. milspecwrench

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    The press will keep trying, and always keep a negitive spin (IE even .22 semi autos will be tagged as "assult weapons")
    They never report clubbings (unless it's a cute little baby seal.)
     
  10. anarchris

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    ok then, I declare the first amendment doesn't mean huffpo can publish

    So I hope they listen to me as much as I listen to them
     
  11. BammaYankee

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    First of all, "communitarian policy studies" sounds like a made up academic discipline needed to retain tenured professors who can't hack it in their major field. Second, the good professor
    talks about empirical research...well, let's see it! What refereed journal can I find it and who are the authors? To the professor I say either put up the published studies or go back to taking naps during your office hours!
     
  12. tpaw

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    Does each comma evoke a different statement in and of itself, or is the sentence to be taken as a whole thought pattern? Any English professors out there who can shed some light on this?
     
  13. MinnMooney

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    WHERE do you get your "FACTS"?? :banghead:

    Canada has millions of guns in private ownership. Their 'registration' law is costing Canadians millions of dollars and it is a dismal failure.

    By comparing the US to the UK is comparing apples to oranges. Compare the UK's violent crime rate from before they, for all practical purposes, confiscated millions of firearms from law abiding citizens to now. Their violent crimes have skyrocketed and crimes using knives have gone up ten-fold. Their gov't has laughingly started legislation to outlaw KNIVES even though the most common knife used in a violent crime is the household kitchen knife. I guess they'll have to start ripping the chickens apart with their bare hands in order to fit in in the skillet!

    Did you really think that you could come onto a forum of intellegent folks and start tossing half-truths and outright lies around without being called onto the carpet?

    How silly of you, ol' chap.:D
     
  14. Librarian

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    The commas are irrelevant - most are an artifact of the copyists, since several different comma'd versions exist contemporaneously with the debate on the BOR.

    For the rest, please ignore Professor Etzioni. He has an opinion, which has been overtaken by Heller.
     
  15. Pocomoke

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    Amitai Etzioni, that old tired socialist POS who has no business in spouting off about constitutional law in any fashion.

    More socialist crap from this old hard liner.
    Degree in sociology from Berkley, then on to Columbia, late in Carter cabinet.


    Read his crap bio here:
    wwww.amitaietzioni.org/
     
  16. MinnMooney

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    Our founding fathers thought of "the militia" as everyone. Every farmer, merchant, railroad worker and barber was expected to "keep & bear" some type of weapon to keep the gov't (any gov't) in line and answering to "the people".

    The gov't isn't the ruler of this great nation, the 'people' are. The gov't is only in existance to do the peoples' bidding. If you don't believe that then please move to a country of your choice where the gov't thinks that they are the rulers/Gods/betters. There are plenty of countries to choose from : Vietnam, N. Korea, E.Germany (oops, that gov't chg'd), USSR (oops, that country went kaput). Anyway, go ahead and pick one..... but make is quick as one after another is going under because it just doesn't work!
     
  17. Rachen

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    You see, people? THAT IS THE REASON why I think the 1st Amendment should be reworded.

    I appreciate the responses from that defunct LEGAL thread regarding the Constitution, but I don't appreciate how rewording the 1st Amendment can be called "communism".

    You say everybody has the right to free speech? Well, look what powers it gave to our political enemies.

    American Rifleman featured an article where two young women were raped for hours in their house, unable to defend themselves because of DC's atrocious gun control laws.

    People being murdered or assaulted every day by criminals who have nothing to fear from their victims, knowing that the law have already disarmed them.

    Leftist extremist organizations such as Brady and VPC, with millions of embezzled and extorted dollars being used against us.

    Newspapers such as Huffpo and NY Times, exercising their "right to free speech" to attack America and strip the people of their civil liberties, one by one.

    People like Mr. Dick Heller, having to sue the DC government ONCE AGAIN, because the government simply pretended the Supreme Court doesn't exist.

    Leftist elitist columnists in Chicago saying that the 2nd Amendment should be repealed:fire::fire: If anything is to be repealed, it is their 1st Amendment rights allowing them to spew such rhetoric. The Bill Of Rights is a package! UNDERSTAND? Want to take away the 2nd Amendment? Then you better take away everything else. Otherwise, leave the Bill Of Rights ALONE!

    Want me to say more? All because of the 1st Amendment and how it is worded, the above mentioned things happened today.

    If the 2nd Amendment is destroyed in a grim future, it will be because of leftist extremists using the 1st Amendment to tear the 2nd Amendment apart.
     
  18. camslam

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    Bear: One answer to your question.

    The reason you hear this often is because any anti-gunner worth his salt has heard or read this and then passes it off as gospel to the next guy. The source of this ridiculous claim is from a study conducted by an anti-gunner, Arthur Kellerman. There are many locals on the internet that discuss his work, but one of the most commonly cited is this.

    http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html

    Another link to look at:

    http://www.gunowners.org/sk0701.htm

    The realities are guns kill. Do they make your house more likely to experience a shooting? Maybe if you are a criminal, involved with criminals, or have someone that is suicidal in your home. Otherwise, keep them responsibly stored and there is no problem. In fact, anti's hate to hear it, but as far as "gun accidents" involving children, many, many more kids are killed each year by drowning, falling, or riding in a car, than are killed by a gun.

    PM me if you are looking for some additional info on this.
     
  19. SCKimberFan

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    Did you really expect anything else from the Socialists at HuffPo?

    They can't explain away "the right of the people" part of the 2A.
     
  20. bumm

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    In an overview of all the cases before 2008 none other than Erin N. Griswold, solicitor general in the Nixon administration, and former dean of Harvard Law School, noted:
    "Never in history has a federal court invalidated a law regulating the private ownership of firearms on Second Amendment grounds.

    Well, it's about time then. :)
    Marty
     
  21. goon

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    Who cares?
    The decision has been made.


    This is just more anti-gun whining.
     
  22. D94R

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    And all this time I thought it was a government of the people lead by Constitutional Rights, that were not to be trumped by unconstitutional laws.

    This guy's fantasy of Police State is something else.
     
  23. mnrivrat

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    Huffington Post - rehashing the same old bologna these folks been trying to push for years .

    If they can't dazzle anyboy with their brilliance, they have to resort to baffling them with their BS .
     
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    And yet DC still finds a way to ban semi autos. The high court needed to be more precise with it's wording. DC citizens are still being screwed.
     
  25. Blue .45

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    So, every amendment enumerated in the Bill Of Rights, applies to the individual, EXCEPT, for the second amendment, which applies to the state. Is this what they expect us to believe? How devoid of logic does one have to be, in order for this to make sense? :banghead:
     
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