Husband And Wife Arrested After Pulling A Gun In Road Rage Fight

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Wow. I just got to where I could watch the video.
That guy doesn't have a leg to stand on. Something else he better worry about is, from the looks of those guys, they may not have even been 18. Now I'm sure they were, or the article would likely mention it, but you can't tell by looking. He could have had assaulting a minor as well had that been the case.
And wow. I bet he thinks twice before swinging at a teenage kid again. I'm not sure he could have handled one of them. They beat the crap out of that guy. I don't feel sorry for him though. Who knows what was said before, but he was the one who initiated the violence.
 
When the kids stopped and the couple stopped as well, it was pretty easy to guess something was about to happen and start the video rolling.
 
You have the right to defend yourself if someone else elevates the conflict to lethal force.

I disagree. My CCW instructor said the same. If you initiate the physical confrontation, then you're going to have a hard time proving self defense in court. He didn't say that you couldn't, but he strongly recommended that you do NOT be the one that initiates the conflict.

You say that you have the right to defend yourself if the other person elevates it to lethal force...If you start hitting them first, THEY are the ones defending and if they're getting beat up and afraid for their life, then THEY are the ones that have the right to "escalate" it to lethal force. You can't start a fight, start whooping on somebody, and then when they go to defend them selves with a knife/gun, pull your own gun and think you are now in the right to shoot them...at least not legally. Obviously you can make that choice to do so, and in the face of death, one would probably do so. However, be ready to spend some prison time. At the end of the day, the whole "escalation" starts when it goes from arguing to physical contact (assault). The person that initiates that is the one responsible for any escalation.
 
In my experience a large portion of reckless drivers do in fact dress like that.

That still does not prove the kids were driving reckless. You are assuming they are reckless drivers on account of the way they dressed. Kinda like saying all folks wearing hoodies are crooks because some crooks wear hoodies.



Someone else pointed out that this was captured on video. Seems kind of odd, doesn't it, that this thing was captured on video, from before punches were actually thrown?

Not trying to justify the older' guy's actions or that of his wife, but it strikes me as just a bit peculiar.

Todays teens have their cell phones out and in use all the time. They are quite adept in capturing video of virtually anything and the phones themselves are capable of great video. The video did not start until the husband was already at the truck. Who knows how long and what methods he used to get the kids to pull over. Even if the couple was baited to a confrontation, throwing the punches and shooting the gun was a choice the husband made.......a poor choice.
 
People keep bringing up the fact that the video recording was strange. So lets see someone follows you till you park and your pretty sure a violent encounter is impossible where you plan to act innocently, you are not going to start recording the incident. Please, I'm working on get a personal cam for just these instances. I have pissed off deadbeat dads follow me into parking lots at courthouses trying to talk to me and don't much care for when i tell them to send me an email. I always go straight to my car and lock the door immediately as I had one joker try to open my door from the driver's side. Mystically he stopped after four attempts while he was yelling as I had to get out my nav unit that happened be on top of my Rossi 462 and I asked him to make a better decision. He did and now he's paying child support and my attorney's fees for having to enforce the order of child support.

Now if the situation went bad and I had forgotten to lock the door and he opened the door pulling me out while threatening me with severe arm and I pulled my truck gun and shot him, and didn't kill him, he could lie and say that I got out of the truck and shot him while a video would show me demanding to be let go while he is trying to forcibly and violently pull me out of a vehicle. A video any jury could see and find likely that I acted reasonably. Pictures are worth a thousand words, videos can mean acquittals.
 
Was the husband really the aggressor? The part that was not on the video, the "running off the road", can vary from careless driving all the way up to murder. We are assuming here that it was insignificant, more like careless driving, and that it therefore does not count as the initial aggression in this case. But there is a possibility that the "running off the road" was in fact the initial aggression, maybe even in the legal sense.

If that's how it was, then the subsequent actions that lead to the fistfight can be seen in a different light: the husband walking up to the teen driver and showing aggression like a dog showing his teeth: this could be seen as a subconscious attempt to evaluate the threat (and possible continuing threat), translated like this: "did you really try to run me & my wife off the cliff back there, or are you just some kids who are acting stupid?" To which the teenager might have responded by making faces or otherwise being disrespectful. Hmm. I think I just found the weakness in my own argument: no matter what the teen driver does after the fact, it can't be used to evaluate the original threat. Only the initial "running off the road" can be used for that (but it's not on the video).
 
Looked like the 'old guy' started the fight; he left his truck then approached the younger men's vehicle. IMO, he's the aggressor and an idiot.

Were the other guys jerks for cutting him off? Maybe, but if a fight started every time one got cutoff, most people would never get to their destination.
 
The husband was NOT the only aggressor, and may not be the prime aggressor, but he was the only aggressor to use a gun, and that is a deal breaker. And yes, pulling a gun out or just pointing one is "using" a gun, and illegal unless justified by life threatening force and actions.

The guy allowed his ego to control a situation which should never have started in the first place. When you carry a gun, you leave your ego at the door when it comes to these things. Best to do that anyway even if unarmed.
 
From the video Bradley Turner escalated the situation by throwing the first punch. Firing the weapon was not necessary either.
 
And while I wrote the earlier post from the perspective of the shooter and his wife, since this is a gun forum, it is also hard to fault the young men past a point based only on what is in this video.
The guy who is probably twice the size of the driver chooses to come start an argument and then punch him while he is in his vehicle.
One could assume that the young man being attacked could have been hurt.


If a larger man came along and started attacking my friend I would feel obligated to come to his aid by attacking that larger man and putting the odds back on my friend's side. I would not sit by as another larger presumably stronger individual pummels a friend that was not provoking a fight.

However for the same reason I avoid macho environments, bars, clubs, and friends that initiate conflict or can't walk away from some insults.
I grew up in an environment where you always confronted any disrespect head on, so I understand the whole macho thing.
Now I am a wiser adult and choose to surround myself with cool headed people. Otherwise they will get you into serious situations that can quickly and unexpectedly become life altering, which could have been avoided.
People that can handle themselves in a serious situation and come to your aid, but will do all they can to avoid creating a bad situation, are the best to be in a bad situation with. A balance only some attain.




In this situation the young men could have been more at fault than is apparent. From the perspective of the shooter they could have posed a lethal threat attacking him as a team. He was clearly incapable of even doing some moderate damage in the fight he initiated against the two of them.
He was helpless and at thier mercy.
However since he started it by throwing a punch at another man sitting in his truck he is a mutual combatant, or the aggressor.
Using a gun as a mutual combatant often ends poorly.
Gang members that really were defending themselves go to prison all the time over it even when they would have been killed had they not chosen to use or threaten with lethal force.
By creating a violent confrontation where you actually throw an initial blow that then results in a need for a firearm on your behalf you are not going to be determined justified in court.

Yes I know the law actually says otherwise in some places, but those are really rare circumstances when it actually is applied.
In California if you try to stop fighting and voice that you can regain your right to self defense, under the wording of the law.
But in reality how the law is applied by those with discretion, you never really do.
Unless you ran down the street, tried to get away, and they kept chasing you, or you put a door between you and they forced it open or broke it down, or otherwise make a clear effort to come after you while you are doing all you can to avoid them or get away, it rarely comes into play in reality.
If you are being stomped on or go unconscious someone else may make a valid claim of defending a third party on your behalf, but not you defending yourself.
Once a mutual combatant it is very difficult to avoid the consequences of being a mutual combatant if you then pull a weapon to defend yourself irregardless of what the law technically says.
Because the shooter is the aggressor or a mutual combatant even if he did face a potentially lethal threat he is in trouble.
 
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Was the husband really the aggressor?

He got out of his vehicle, went to theirs and punched the kid. I would say that makes him the aggressor. Whether or not words were exchanged is irrelevant. He is the one who became violent first.

If that's how it was, then the subsequent actions that lead to the fistfight can be seen in a different light: the husband walking up to the teen driver and showing aggression like a dog showing his teeth: this could be seen as a subconscious attempt to evaluate the threat (and possible continuing threat), translated like this: "did you really try to run me & my wife off the cliff back there, or are you just some kids who are acting stupid?" To which the teenager might have responded by making faces or otherwise being disrespectful.

Yeah, we don't punch kids in the face for making faces and being disrespectful, no matter how bad we want to sometimes. We shake our heads, mutter "Damn kids" and get on with our life.

The husband was NOT the only aggressor, and may not be the prime aggressor, but he was the only aggressor to use a gun, and that is a deal breaker.

I still think the deal breaker was when he walked up to the guys truck and punched him. Violence is never okay unless you yourself are in physical danger. That's not how grown men solve their problems. We're not in Jr. High school anymore.
 
If that's how it was, then the subsequent actions that lead to the fistfight can be seen in a different light: the husband walking up to the teen driver and showing aggression like a dog showing his teeth: this could be seen as a subconscious attempt to evaluate the threat (and possible continuing threat), translated like this: "did you really try to run me & my wife off the cliff back there, or are you just some kids who are acting stupid?" To which the teenager might have responded by making faces or otherwise being disrespectful.

Confronting the other driver in a manner deliberately selected to place him in fear for his immediate safety ("like a dog showing his teeth") is already a criminal act -- misdemeanor assault.

I don't see any grounds to defend or justify the married idjits in this story. They initiated a violent encounter, and then introduced a gun into the situation. The weapon is discharged in some chimp-like threat display after the violent encounter has terminated. This is broadly a pattern of behavior indicating poor impulse control and/or flawed decision making skills, either of which, in itself, suggests these people are not suited to concealed carry of a firearm.

A lot of people will get bent out of shape about this, but I'd see the best outcome to this situation would be a felony conviction for a fear assault involving a deadly weapon (if there's a corresponding statute in that jurisdiction to Alaska state laws) and consequent banning of the husband and wife from possessing a firearm. That seems preferable to having to worry about the next situation these idiots get themselves in where they demonstrate levels of personal responsibility and thinking on par with poorly behaved juveniles.
 
I still think the deal breaker was when he walked up to the guys truck and punched him. Violence is never okay unless you yourself are in physical danger. That's not how grown men solve their problems. We're not in Jr. High school anymore.

Totally agree. My point was that both parties were being physical, but you are correct physical violence is NOT OK either, and is also illegal unless in self defense.
 
Been lurking a while, thought I'd go ahead and add my $0.02
Does anyone else notice that it looks like the man followed them home, their in a driveway. I'd start filming to if someone pulled up behind me clearly irate. I don't see how he has any legal leg to stand on, his suggestion that they ran him off the road is pointless once they were past his vehicle and he had regained control of the vehicle that danger is gone and at that point if a response was needed, report their reckless driving to police, do not follow them home, start a fight, loose a fight, then fire a gun.
I especially feel it was stupid to bring his wife and child to this confrontation.
 
Jackazzes will be jackazzes. Those young men may or may have not perpetrated the alleged careless driving, but being older and experienced means being wiser and letting those little b!@#$%%ds wreck themselves.
 
Great discussion!

I got an e-mail from a pal of mine who used to be in the news biz, asking me if I'd seen the video.

I've seen it about a half-dozen times already! Yikes.

But IMHO, it appears the two twerps may have initiated some ill will, but the guy who got thumped CLEARLY was in the wrong for approaching them and getting into a fight.

Someone else pointed out that this was captured on video. Seems kind of odd, doesn't it, that this thing was captured on video, from before punches were actually thrown?

Not trying to justify the older' guy's actions or that of his wife, but it strikes me as just a bit peculiar.
What is so odd?
If I was being followed and the person was getting out of his vehicle approaching mine I would want one of my passengers to video tape it.
 
This Bradley Turner is a fool. First, he approaches a truck and assaults an unknown kid. When he loses the resulting fight, he then fires shots into the kid's pickup truck. He deserves to get his wrists slapped.

As far as Ms Turner is concerned, I understand why she displayed the gun, but she should not have given it to her husband - who had already shown a pattern of stupidity. Had I been her, I would have told Bradley Turner to shut up and get back into the car. Then, I'd have put the gun away and went over and APOLOGIZED to those kids for Bradley Turner's behavoir. I would have told them that Bradley was usually an ok guy but a was acting fool that day and that when he cooled down he would call them and also APOLOGIZE.

Had the Turners APOLOGIZED...it probably would have ended up very different.
 
Bradley Turner is sporting a nice shiner in his mug shot photo.
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He could have put his ego down and probably not even pulled over. The whole issue with carrying a gun is that YOU know that the possibility of deadly force always exists. With that knowledge, you should be a little more prudent in your decision making.
 
If you have that bad a temper you don't need to be carrying a gun.
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You can split these hairs any way you care to, but he got out of the truck to fight. He very well could have been following those boys and caught them on a dead end, it looks like it to me.
If I had a lap top in my vehicle, yes I would have turned the camera on for my own defense if this goes to court.
Mr. Turner is bigger than either one of these two Young Men, after that first punch was thrown the boys had every right to do what they did.
I certainly wouldn't have wanted to wait (or expect my Son to wait) for Mr. Turner to throw another punch at the Second Young Man.


Secondly, it seemed like the wife was looking at the gun like she didn't know how to use it. That in and of itself is a very dangerous situation since it could have easily been taken from her and used against them both.

Had these Young Men a gun, I do believe they would have been justified in Shooting Mrs Turner when she came around the truck gun in hand.

Mr Turner deserves what he has coming in court, regardless of what happened before the camera got turned on.
Some things you that make you angry anre just best left alone
 
This is turning into a debate on the use of force. It doesn't apply here because he "the jerk who pulled the gun" initiated the attack, and fired at the 2 guys ""he attacked. It could apply if a person was in reasonable fear of losing their life, weather justly or not. It would be up to a court to decide if it had come to that, thank God it didn't. Even though he took it to another level when he took the gun from his girlfriend, the law says if you feel your life is threatened, you can use lethal force. But after a court saw that tape he would never have won that bet. If they beat him past the point of consciousness and she came out with gun in hand told them to stop, she would have been justified, had they continued, as his life would have been in danger at that point.
That's how I see it, he screwed up big time, and I will be shocked if he doesn't get at least a year or two, "if he has a clean record", I doubt if he gets house arrest or anything other than time.
Even brandishing would have been illegal, let alone firing at someone. Possibly attempted murder.
It's going to cost him every penny he has. Never get into a fight if you can walk away, people don't know what can go wrong, heart attacks, broken necks, etc. it's a stupid thing to do.
 
Molon labe, blah blah blah

Hope you enjoyed your 2nd Amendment right while you had it. Idiot.
 
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