I dont see the point of .45GAP~

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There are many that like the 40S&W and that's fine.

I fear it and will not use it because IMHO it has far too small a safety marging.

The overpressure curve with increasing setback is a classic J curve. The pressures, already high to startwith go nearly straight up.

The case walls in relation to pressure are among the thinnest of any caliber.

The straight walls make setback issues and crimping problems more likely.

It's a high pressure round (as is the 9mm) initially, but the factors above make problems far more likely.

IMHO, any possible advantages simply don't outway the increased risks.

The 45GAP however is a relatively low pressure round, with a relatively thick case and a much thicker base. It is shorter than the 45acp, 40S&W or 9mm. This means that even with a staggered magazine design, reasonable trigger grip relationships can be maintained. In addition, it shouold be a big asset in revolvers where the shorter stubbier case will make reloading faster and easier.

 

[patent]

Thanks for the reply, appreciate it.

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[Lord Grey Boots]

Don't forget that proprietary rounds have a pretty good reputation for success



.45 Auto COLT Pistol
.40 Smith and Wesson
.357 SIG
9 mm Luger (aka Parabellum)

It looks to me like the .45 GAP has some sound reasoning behind it.

We will see if it is successful.

 

[JohnKSa]

I can't help but wonder.

For those of you claiming the cartridge is worthless.

As yourself this and BE HONEST.

If this cartridge were called the 11x19mm or maybe the 451Auto and introduced by SIG would you still have the same negative sentiment?

I don't remember this kind of uprising about the introduction of the .40S&W.

The .40 is a shorter weaker version of the 10mm. The GAP is a shorter version of the ACP but virtually duplicates its performance. How is one a good idea and the other not?

 

[Tropical Z]

Some of you have made some good points about .45 GAP that i hadnt thought about.Maybe its a viable round.

 

[Werewolf]

Some of you have made some good points about .45 GAP that i hadnt thought about.Maybe its a viable round.

Only time will tell my friend...
Only time...

Personally I hope it does catch on. I think that the internal ballistics of the 45 GAP are superior to that of the .45 ACP. Unfortunately I'm not willing to leap on the bandwagon just yet and buy a gun that ammo and parts might not be available for in 3 or 4 years. I know I could reload the cartridges but I do that for cost savings not fun (which is why I reload .45 LC but not 9mm , .40S&W., 7.62X39 or 5.56mm which are the other calibers I shoot quite a bit).

 

[Checkman]

As was posted earlier there are many police agencies in the U.S.A. who want to issue 45's to their officers, but the G21 is too large. The 45 GAP gives them a 9mm sized frame Glock with a 45 round.Now we can argue all day long that these departments should just go with single stack S&W's, Sigs, Rugers and so on, but Glock is just responding to a demand from customers. That's good business, which is why Glock is the number one handgun with police departments not only in the United States but across the world. I'm also a bit puzzled by all the hostility. New rounds are alwasy being introduced. Some make it and some don't. Even if the GAP makes it I don't see the 45 ACP going away. After all the 38 special is still going strong after a 100 + years and it's demise has been declared many times.

 

[Boats]

If you reloaded and faced the prospect of getting this GAP garbage mixed in your ACP brass, you'd probably hate it too. My answer to the GAP is a small sledge and an anvil to smash every case I ever accidentally come across policing my brass or buying in bulk.

 

[Bainx]

Like somebody said in a prior thread about 45 GAP:
"If you can't get the results you are looking for with a 45 ACP, 10mm, 357, 38, 9mm...you ain't tryin too hard".

 

[JohnK]

It's interesting the difference between handgunners and rifle shooters. A new handgun cartridge is introduced and it's "what do we need that for?" a new rifle cartridge is introduced that's 1/1000" different than 6 other existing calibers and people are all over it like it's the second coming.

My prediction is that the 45 GAP will do well if the gun companies don't have to make the slides to large to handle the additional recoil.